A friend had her dance recorded while on a cruise. Someone on the cruise created a DVD for her and played it for her. When she returned it would not play on her DVD player or on her computer. She asked me to try it on my equipment. The dvd disc is not recognized by my machine either.

The media is a Sony DVD-r ver 2.1 disc. Windows Explorer shows the disk as empty, and I do not see any Video_ts folder that I would expect. However, Roxio Easy Media Creator tools show the following disc information: DVD-R, Closed, Multiborder, Data. There are 9 zones and a total of 2.5Gb is used.

Using the copy tool, I was able to copy dvd images to my hard drive in the Sonic Global Image (sgi) format. Neither Pinnacle nor MyDVD would import froman sgi file. I tried to get an iso file but the tool did not allow a save to the ISO format.

I tried to "finalize" the disc which resulted in exception message "Please insert an appendable data disc that is cd media or dvd write-once media."

My system is an HP Pavilion dv6000 running Vista with an Optiarc DVD RW AD-7530A drive.

I would like to recover this disk for my friend. Suggestions are welcome.

Thanks
Paul

If who ever made the DVD played it for her, what kind of player or hardware did that person play it on ?? Some DVD players are pretty sensitive as to what type of media they will play, but most newer DVD players will play DVD +/- media. Also, what program did the maker use to make the DVD ?? and what recorder did they use to record her dance ??

Frank...

From what I can find a Multiborder disc is some kind of session based data disc.Being that it wouldn't have a video_ts folder.Windows Explorer should at least be able to read the first session (or zone I think).Why it can't I'm not sure.You might try and search the net for info on MultiBorder DVD's.

Also it occurs to me that if you got an sgi that you used the copy app from the Home application.Try using Disc Copier instead and you should be able to create an iso.Then you should be able to use the image where you want.

Frank, thanks for the response. I asked my friend to contact the ship people to get this information. This might take a couple of days.

Paul

Played it for her on what, with what?

In V 9 tools (programs) or utilities ( Home Page) open DVDInfo Pro. Click the info tab at top with the disc in the drive. Now click the clip board icon top right, paste the info in a post here.
I think it's one of these New Sony disc's pictured here. It has a Media ID (MID) SONY16D1....

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I did some looking via Google and it seems that multi-session is for CD while multi-border is for DVD and means that files were added. I believe that each zone is an added file.

Windows Explorer is not able to view any files on this disk. I have tried on both my XP desktop and my Vista laptop. Both are new machines and current on service. I will try Disc Copier and see what happens.

Paul

Yes, it is the Sony disc you show.


I found the disc info using Roxio Creator Basic v9 which came as part of my HP Pavilion laptop. I can see the data using the tools, but it does not allow me to copy it to the clipboard. I do not see an info tab with a clip board option. Do I need to upgrade?

Paul

You have a OEM Version of EMC 9. Go here and download the free version Dvdinfopro Free Version v4.7.6 [4.97Mb] - Advert supported version

Then post what I wanted above, K?

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Here is the information you requested. Paul

Media Information
Region information N/A not a DVD-VIDEO
Media code/Manufacturer ID SONY16D1
Format Capacity Blank Disc
Free Blocks 5210112
Free Capacity 0.00GB/0.01GB
Book Type DVD-R
Media Type DVD-R
Manufacturer Rated Speed Unknown
Available Write Descriptor CLV 8.0x 11080KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 6.0x 8310KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 4.0x 5540KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 2.0x 2770KBps
Write Strategy Speed 4.0x 5540KBps
2x Speed OPC beta 09
2x Speed OPC power 0B
2x Write Strategy field 1 12 A8 88 90
2x Write Strategy field 2 88 80 00 00 00 00
4x Speed OPC beta 06
4x Speed OPC power 13
4x Write Strategy field 1 0A 0E 08 04
4x Write Strategy field 2 96 06 0C 0B
4x Write Strategy field 3 80 00 00 00
4x Speed OPC beta multi-pulse 08
4x Speed OPC power multi-pulse 18
4x Write Strategy field 4 17 B8 88 85
4x Write Strategy field 5 B6 79 0B B0 33 03
4x Write Strategy field 6 30 00 D0 00 00
Data area starting sector 30000h
Linear Density 0.267um/bit
Track Density 0.74um/track
Number of Layers 1

Complete Media Code
00000000 00 EA 00 00 01 40 C1 FD 9E D8 52 00 02 84 0E 10 .....@....R.....
00000010 87 88 80 00 03 53 4F 4E 59 31 36 00 04 44 31 00 .....SONY16..D1.
00000020 00 00 00 00 05 88 80 00 00 00 01 00 06 09 0B 12 ................

The first two lines! "Media Information Region information N/A not a DVD-VIDEO"

Don't know how or what he played it in for your friend. Question, "Played it for her on what, with what?"

It could be video as data, download the freeIsoBuster 2.3, DVD, CD, BD and HD DVD recovery software, Download Page. Let it look at the disc and see what it says.

Sony claims it's a 16x disc but the highest Available Write Descriptor is 8X, don't burn any higher than 8x!

Not sure here, I don't do much session writing. DVDInfo Pro is showing "Free Capacity 0.00GB/0.01GB" like the disc isn't closed. Hopefully someone that does and actually uses DVDInfo Pro could tell us.

What a DVDVideo disc should look like. This one shows a 16x Available Write Descriptor.

Media Information
Disc Regions are 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8
Media code/Manufacturer ID SONY16D1
Format Type UDF 1.02
Volume Name New
Application id
Implementation id Nero
Recording Date/Time (mm/dd/yyyy) 12/11/2007 14:17:19
Format Capacity 4.36GB(4.68GB)
Book Type DVD-R
Media Type DVD-R
Manufacturer Rated Speed Unknown
Available Write Descriptor CLV 16.0x 22160KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 12.0x 16620KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 8.0x 11080KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 4.0x 5540KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 2.4x 3324KBps
Write Strategy Speed 4.0x 5540KBps
2x Speed OPC beta 09
2x Speed OPC power 0B
2x Write Strategy field 1 12 A8 88 90
2x Write Strategy field 2 88 80 00 00 00 00
4x Speed OPC beta 06
4x Speed OPC power 13
4x Write Strategy field 1 0A 0E 08 04
4x Write Strategy field 2 96 06 0C 0B
4x Write Strategy field 3 80 00 00 00
4x Speed OPC beta multi-pulse 08
4x Speed OPC power multi-pulse 18
4x Write Strategy field 4 17 B8 88 85
4x Write Strategy field 5 B6 79 0B B0 33 03
4x Write Strategy field 6 30 00 D0 00 00
Data area starting sector 30000h
Data area end sector 22E21Fh
Linear Density 0.267um/bit
Track Density 0.74um/track
Number of Layers 1

Complete Media Code
00000000 00 6C 00 00 01 40 C1 FD 9E D8 52 00 02 84 0E 10 .l...@....R.....
00000010 87 88 80 00 03 53 4F 4E 59 31 36 00 04 44 31 00 .....SONY16..D1.
00000020 00 00 00 00 05 88 80 00 00 00 01 00 06 09 0B 12 ................


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Hello folks,

From the DVDInfoPro results Paul showed, the DVD is a DATA DVD-R. It's likely to have video files such as AVIs or MPGs, rather than the VOBs and IFOs you find on a video DVD.

An empty DVD-R has 412,352,512 free blocks. DVDInfoPro says that the disc has 5,210,112 free blocks, so it must be open. That's about 0.05 GB (DVDInfoPro says 0 to 0.1) which means that much more than 2.5GB of space has been used, nearly 2 GB extra. Perhaps the rest is overhead from the multi-border burning? I've not measured it in DVDs yet, only CDs.

In any event, if you can't get the DVD finalized that could explain why you can't see a proper Table Of Contents, and why the DVD could be used on the machine that burned it but not on any others.

I see two possibilities for recovering the files.
(1) is a recovery program such as Isobuster as cdanteek suggests, or CDRoller. They can be found at isobuster.com and cdroller.com, respectively, and their trial mode will show you what files they can see. You have to buy the program to actually recover the files.
(2) is to use the .GI file(s) that the copy program gave you. [sgi is silicon graphics, .GI is Sonic] You should use the copier program to burn a disc from the Global Image files, hoping that it will produce a disc with a proper TOC and not just a duplicate of the open disc. Roxio's Disc Copier would always finalize discs burned from an image, so we have to hope the inferior Sonic copier can manage that too.

I can't say do these things and it WILL work because I don't have the disc to tap with a blunt object, and I haven't seen one like this before. However I do hope an educated guess might help you.

Regards,
Brendon

I downloaded IsoBuster which showed track two with a video folder that contained four files: .ifo, .vob, .bup. There were two .vob files. I purchased IsoBuster and extracted the files to my hard disk. I will see what I can do using Pinnacle to create a proper dvd.

Also, as requested, I spoke to my friend who will contact the cruise ship to find out what equipment was used to originally record the video and how the disk was created.

Thanks

Paul

Thanks for the comments and suggestions. I was able to use Isobuster to extract the VOB and BUP files. I will try to use these with Pinnacle. I like your suggestion #2 which will be easy and will try after the weekend. I have chores for the wife that take priority for me.

Paul

Hi Paul,

Goodness! If it has VOB, BUP, and IFOs it was trying to be a DVD Video disc not a data disc, so no wonder things were confusing. If you have the files now, you may be able to just burn from a video folder on the hard drive to recreate a video compliant DVD.

In any event, you're right to set your priorities. This is 'only a hobby . . . '

Regards,
Brendon

The folder with tthe video files noted above is labeled VFR Video Recordings rather than the usual Video_ts folder name. Is anyone familiar this folder and know what would create it?

Paul

According to Sonic's Glossary of Terms (here)



That sounds a bit optimistic to me

I finally received a response from the cruise ship. The dvd was made using an old Phillips set-top player/recorder. This device had a history where sometimes the output was not "finalized". The cruise line has since replaced the Phillips with a new Sony. So sending the disk back for repar is not an option.

I tried several ideas that were recommended by different people.

. I copied the disk using EMC v9. This disk did was also not recognized by Windows Vista Explorer.
. I extracted ISO images using ISOBUSTER and then burned these to a new disk. That did not work either.
. I used ISOBUSTER to extract the .ifo and .vbo files and saved then to a hard drive file. I was able to view the .vob files using the VLC media viewer. Using VLC, I was able to see the full dvd and see that it was of good quality both video and sound.
. I was unable to get my Pinnacle Studio 10 to accept the .vob files as input. Also, Studio 10 was unable to see these files on the dvd. So, no luck there.
. I purchased Prism Media Converter to convert the .vob files. The resulting files do not show properly on either Windows Media viewer or VLC. On VLC, the video starts normally with good video and audio, but after one minute the video stops and freezes on one frame while the audio continues. I asked for help from Prism support who sent me a new codec to try. I tried the new codec which did not fixe the problem. Here is the codec:
http://www.free-codecs.com/download/K_Lite..._Codec_Pack.htm

. I also realized that my harddrive was full, and suspected that a lack of space could be part of my problems. I bought aToshiba external hard drive and offloaded a lot of files. I also cleaned up my drive opf temporary files and then defrag. I then repeated my above experiments,but this did not imporve or fix my problems.

I used ISObuster to extract a .cue to see if there was anything useful. Here is that file.
FILE "DVD-R.tao" BINARY

REM ORIGINAL MEDIA-TYPE: DVD-R

REM SESSION 01 ; OPEN ; Not supported by other applications (*)
TRACK 01 MODE1/2048
INDEX 01 00:00:00
REM MSF: 00:00:00 = LBA: 0
TRACK 02 MODE1/2048
INDEX 00 00:33:69
REM MSF: 00:33:69 = LBA: 2544
INDEX 01 00:34:10
REM MSF: 00:34:10 = LBA: 2544
TRACK 03 MODE1/2048
INDEX 00 00:37:25
REM MSF: 00:37:25 = LBA: 2800
INDEX 01 00:37:41
REM MSF: 00:37:41 = LBA: 2800
TRACK 04 MODE1/2048
INDEX 00 02:01:29
REM MSF: 02:01:29 = LBA: 9104
INDEX 01 02:01:45
REM MSF: 02:01:45 = LBA: 9104
TRACK 05 MODE1/2048
INDEX 00 02:02:02
REM MSF: 02:02:02 = LBA: 9152
INDEX 01 02:02:18
REM MSF: 02:02:18 = LBA: 9152
TRACK 06 MODE1/2048
INDEX 00 02:05:33
REM MSF: 02:05:33 = LBA: 9408
INDEX 01 02:05:49
REM MSF: 02:05:49 = LBA: 9408
TRACK 07 MODE1/2048
INDEX 00 146:43:31
REM MSF: 146:43:31 = LBA: 660256
INDEX 01 146:43:47
REM MSF: 146:43:47 = LBA: 660256
TRACK 08 MODE1/2048
INDEX 00 146:44:20
REM MSF: 146:44:20 = LBA: 660320
INDEX 01 146:44:36
REM MSF: 146:44:36 = LBA: 660320
TRACK 09 MODE1/2048
INDEX 00 146:47:51
REM MSF: 146:47:51 = LBA: 660576
INDEX 01 146:47:67
REM MSF: 146:47:67 = LBA: 660576

REM (*) SESSION directives are unfortunately not properly supported
REM 'out there'. IsoBuster however supports them !

Can anyone explain what this file shows.


More suggestions are welcome.

Thanks, Paul

Just interested.

If you are using a Pinnacle product, why did you come here to a Sonic/Roxio forum?????? Yes, I know we're good but Pinnacle also has some pretty smart people on their forums also. They, of course would be much more familiar with their product and what it can do.

He used EMC 9 to copy the disc.

Missed that part and now I see an earlier brief reference to MyDVD. I just saw Pinnacle Studio 10 mentioned as what he was going to use from here on and he explained what he had used Studio 10 for in trying to work with the VOB files. I doubt that using a Roxio product would be of help but he could have at least posted that he was working with that.

I agree.

paule1942,

Will MyDVD, in your basic v9 import the extracted to the hard drive, vob files? Will WMP play the files extracted to the hard drive, vob files? If not then you have to find out why, instead of buying more software that probably won't work either!

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I have both MyDVD9 and Easy Media Creator 9 which are both Roxio products. I also posted on the Pinnacle site and I am more familiar with Studio 10 than I am with MyDVD. I am looking for help to help a friend who was videod while on a cruise and the resulting dvd does not work.

So far, I have used two tools, DVDInfoPro and IsoBuster, both suggested by this forum to prove that there is in fact a dvd video on the disk. I was also able to extract the two vob files from the disk. Unfortunately, Studio 10 does not accept a vob file from a hard disk. I was also unable to get MyDVD to accept the vob file.

I tried to convert the file to mpg but the tool I used Prism Video Converter only converted the first minute. I am open to suggestions or recommendations for a better conversion tool.

So, I am using this forum becasue I so far have received the most helpful tips here.

regards,

Change the file extensions of those vob's to .mpg, and then see if they can be brought into VideoWave.

It isn't going to work…

The OP has a disc recorded in VR mode. The only thing that can play it will be the original recorder which is living in a land fill.

The files cannot play nor can they be converted because of the way they were recorded.

Might try Phillips and see what they suggest???

If he recovered vob and ifo files, and viewed the full dvd in VLC, he should be able to reauthor the video to a compliant DVD Video.

I liked GPB suggestion, just don't know if it will work.

I don't know if Roxio will do the job. He might need tools like IfoEdit or VobEdit, I don't have the file to beat on.

If your interested in trying paule1942, click on my name and Send me a Message...

That way we won't bother folks that say we shouldn't talk about it here, or it can't be done!

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This thread has been going on forever and none of the simple solutions have worked.

He has only been able to view 2 of the files on one occasion and the files were unreadable in Studio 10 as well as Roxio. – He tried! Here

If it cannot read a vob, changing the extension to mpg is not going to make any difference…

If you can get it to work as you outlined with more 3rd party tools, great! Let us know

Update the job is done.

paule1942, sent me the disc so I could beat on it!
Nothing I used would see the disc except IsoBuster, then to extract the files to the hard drive you need a bought registration and a key. VLC Player would play the extracted files fine. No Roxio or Sonic program I have saw the extracted files.
The only program that would import it was Nero Vision but it only reported the two vobs as 38 seconds and that's all it would play! Nero has a option to close a VR disc but my burner doesn't support that and all I got was a hardware error.
Next I opened Nero Burning Rom and choose DVD Video disc, the extracted files, 2 vobs, ifos, and bups, loaded without fuss. When I clicked the burn button I got " DVD-Video files compliance test failed. The resulting DVD Video might not be playable,. Do you want to continue? " I did, Nero burned the disc and closed it.
Opened EMC 9 Disc Copier and EMC 10 Copy and Convert both read it as a data disc but you couldn't do anything with it. MyDVD and Videowave wouldn't see it. I made a folder on the hard drive and copied in explorer the disc contents to the folder.

I opened DVD2AVI ' old free program' it loaded the data video_ts folder from the hard drive into it. It splits the audio to a wav file and makes a d2v project file that TMPGEnc 2.5 plus excepts. ( I bought it back in 03) I loaded the d2v in as the video source, the wav file as the audio source, made a DVD Video project 720 X 480 VBR 2 pass motion search precision, highest quality very slow settings, and hit the OK button. 12 + hours later I had a 3.6gb mpg file Roxio, MyDVD, or Videowave was happy to except and burn, without re-encoding.

I sent the finished disc back to paule1942, hopefully he will stop by and comment after viewing it on his set top DVD.

Jim, I never said easy or simple! Just never, ever, tell me, "It isn't going to work…"

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High fives to you cd!!!!!! That's a lot of work. Great job!

So who's the 'pit bull' now?

Congratulations on your tenacity, cd. That's not a result you could get from Googling.

That's some serious detective work cd! Are you considering a job change soon?
Great work and thanks for sharing how you got the job done.

thanke,

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Good one cd!!!

My point remains that there was no easy solution, and folks dropping in here with simple solutions were wasting everyone's time.

The steps needed to recover this were extraordinary and it was only your perseverance and pure luck that it worked! – I am glad it did.

And yes there are some things that can't be done…

Success and double success thanks to the excellent detective work by cdanteek! It was a laborious task requiring hours to fix and then render a DVD from the broken disk. He could have stopped then with his success, instead, he continued to examine the original disk files. He found a second performance performed on the cruise which he graciously extracted and rendered. So, he was able to send me DVD disks for both the first and second performances. This will be a wonderful gift for these fine performers. And, since cdanteek and I have talked several times, I know that he especially enjoyed the performances by the "Piano Man".

Lastly, I want to thank everyone on the forum for their help and suggestions. It was all very helpful. I learned a lot about the guts of DVDs and the tools to work on the files and media to solve problems. It was fun.

Presently, I am preparing disks for the performers. I will be sure to credit this forum and especially the detective work of cdnteek for this gift.

Regards,