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[TCvideo]

I've done it all... Stripped every non essential software of my PC,  de-fragged multiple times. Upgraded every key components drivers, incl Video Board, Audio Card, etc.,  Checked that the Capture rates were at the highest ( 10 mb/s) and the rendering matches. Used Software Acceleration not Hardware.

Created a Disk image file first then Burned the DVD +R

The Video now works nicely on my PC, Audio is in Sync and motion appears mostly normal.  This is true when I use Cineplayer to view the .iso and also when I play the DVD on the PC using Cineplayer or other DVD players on the PC.

But ... On three different DVD players the motion of any fast moving objects in the scene is very jerky (Kind of Skip frame or fast motion artifact) The background or still objects still look good. Graphics are fine.

Is this a Mpeg2 issue ?  Should I always expect this when using the best Quality 10mb/sec Mpeg2 rendering?

Any suggetsions of where I'm going wrong now...

Thanks

PS:  My PC is a Dell Demension w/ 2 gig of RAM/ Nvidia Video board w/128mg RAM Not that this means much!

[Diano]

TC, I have spent hours upon hours doing the same.  I have a Sony Vaio PCV-RZ34G also with an NVIDIA card and get the same exact results.  I was previously using the Sony Click to DVD program along with the Gigapocket video capture which worked fine for the past year or so untill a recent Microsoft security update prevented me from creating the DVD image on the hard disk.. Either way I purchased the Roxio Suite and sure enough the jerky motion is just killing me.  Upgraded and downloaded all I could from Sony, NVIDIA, etc.. still no luck.  I have noticed that the Qaulity setting on the video capture is set for MPEG2 720X480 29.97fps..  Is there anyway to change this?  Basically the jerky motion to me looks like we're losing some frames especially when fast moving objects are recorded..  I'm dumbfounded and need the same help
as well.  Also, I am recording the video through analog jacks as I have in the past with the the Sony Gigapocket program.

Diano

TCvideo, on Nov 3 2006, 11:34 AM, said:

I've done it all... Stripped every non essential software of my PC,  de-fragged multiple times. Upgraded every key components drivers, incl Video Board, Audio Card, etc.,  Checked that the Capture rates were at the highest ( 10 mb/s) and the rendering matches. Used Software Acceleration not Hardware.

Created a Disk image file first then Burned the DVD +R

The Video now works nicely on my PC, Audio is in Sync and motion appears mostly normal.  This is true when I use Cineplayer to view the .iso and also when I play the DVD on the PC using Cineplayer or other DVD players on the PC.

But ... On three different DVD players the motion of any fast moving objects in the scene is very jerky (Kind of Skip frame or fast motion artifact) The background or still objects still look good. Graphics are fine.

Is this a Mpeg2 issue ?  Should I always expect this when using the best Quality 10mb/sec Mpeg2 rendering?

Any suggetsions of where I'm going wrong now...

Thanks

PS:  My PC is a Dell Demension w/ 2 gig of RAM/ Nvidia Video board w/128mg RAM Not that this means much!

[james_hardin]

One thing you can try is to set rendering to use Software instead of Hardware.

On my PC, Hardware Render passes the test but any panning produces blurriness. Not the same a "jerky" but it is something you can try.

[Diano]

Thanks James.. sorry to ask this but how do I change from hardware to software rendering?

Diano, on Nov 4 2006, 10:08 AM, said:

TC, I have spent hours upon hours doing the same.  I have a Sony Vaio PCV-RZ34G also with an NVIDIA card and get the same exact results.  I was previously using the Sony Click to DVD program along with the Gigapocket video capture which worked fine for the past year or so untill a recent Microsoft security update prevented me from creating the DVD image on the hard disk.. Either way I purchased the Roxio Suite and sure enough the jerky motion is just killing me.  Upgraded and downloaded all I could from Sony, NVIDIA, etc.. still no luck.  I have noticed that the Qaulity setting on the video capture is set for MPEG2 720X480 29.97fps..  Is there anyway to change this?  Basically the jerky motion to me looks like we're losing some frames especially when fast moving objects are recorded..  I'm dumbfounded and need the same help
as well.  Also, I am recording the video through analog jacks as I have in the past with the the Sony Gigapocket program.

Diano

[TCvideo]

I have rendered with both software and hardware control..
Still get the same jerky motion with fast moving objects .
I also tried selecting 2x speed on the DVD+R  writing... Same old!

I've upgraded all the firmware on the TEAC DVD + RW drive  ... Tried again ..
Still Jerky !

TC

[james_hardin]

TC: I am assuming that there is no 'jerkyness' in the original capture file when you play it?

You have used both 'plus' and 'dash' media?

You mentioned capturing and encoding at 10mbps. Since Roxio only goes to 9mbps what software are you using?

You also mentioned that it plays OK on your PC but it is Players that are having trouble. You might try dropping back to 8mbps to see if the Players can keep up with that.

[malatekid]

Diano, on Nov 4 2006, 01:56 PM, said:

Thanks James.. sorry to ask this but how do I change from hardware to software rendering?

From Gary's post:

Click on TOOLS, then OPTIONS

When you run the graphics test, the radial button should change to the correct setting. DO NOT force it to hardware because i this can cause rendering to lock up the computer if your video chipset does not fully support DirectX.


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[Diano]

OK, looks like I finally got rid of the jerky/ghostly image problem with fast moving object that I recorded from my DV recorder.  After implementing all the changes I mentioned before, I hooked up the DV camera via Fire Wire ilo using the analog set I had been using for some time now.  Before I had to use the SMRT capture function to capture the video and now I have the option to choose Cannon DV as well as option to record in either AVI or MPEG format.  It seems as though the AVI format is working and the Jerky/ghostly image issue is gone.  I guess the program isn't as robust when recording through the analog jacks.  Click to DVD and Gigapocket didn't have that problem but of course I had a different issue with that program whcih is still unresolved..

Thanks for your help!!!!

[TCvideo]

TCvideo, on Nov 4 2006, 11:10 AM, said:

I have rendered with both software and hardware control..
Still get the same jerky motion with fast moving objects .
I also tried selecting 2x speed on the DVD+R  writing... Same old!

I've upgraded all the firmware on the TEAC DVD + RW drive  ... Tried again ..
Still Jerky !

TC

Below is the user defined setting of the Final rendering, I placed the slider in the MB/sec. selection all the way to the right  .. I got 10:

Video: ROXIO MPEG-2 Video Encoder, 720x480,29.97 fps, 10 Mbs, interlaced
Audio: MPEG-1 Layer II, Stereo, 48kHz, 16bit, 320kbs

The final may be 9.XXX but this should not matter much ... Should it?

My Original captures are Mpeg2 @ 9.33mbs from a Analogue Capture card ..  (Dell Movie Studio device)
The Originals look OK in Preview as .mpg and after rendering still ok ( the same) as .mpeg files

The iso file previews on the PC quite well ... maybe a little poorer image quality but OK.

Would recapturing the video as AVI help?

Does using a DVD-R vs a DVR+R make a big difference? I've only used DVD+R's.
If so ... This software is really too finiky!

[grandpabruce]

TCvideo, on Nov 4 2006, 07:42 PM, said:

Below is the user defined setting of the Final rendering, I placed the slider in the MB/sec. selection all the way to the right  .. I got 10:

Video: ROXIO MPEG-2 Video Encoder, 720x480,29.97 fps, 10 Mbs, interlaced
Audio: MPEG-1 Layer II, Stereo, 48kHz, 16bit, 320kbs

The final may be 9.XXX but this should not matter much ... Should it?

My Original captures are Mpeg2 @ 9.33mbs from a Analogue Capture card ..  (Dell Movie Studio device)
The Originals look OK in Preview as .mpg and after rendering still ok ( the same) as .mpeg files

The iso file previews on the PC quite well ... maybe a little poorer image quality but OK.

Would recapturing the video as AVI help?

Does using a DVD-R vs a DVR+R make a big difference? I've only used DVD+R's.
If so ... This software is really too finiky!

Capture as an AVI file, if possible.  The software could care less whether or not you use DVD-R or DVD+R, but your burner might, and your set top DVD player might.

[james_hardin]

Diano, on Nov 4 2006, 07:17 PM, said:

OK, looks like I finally got rid of the jerky/ghostly image problem with fast moving object that I recorded from my DV recorder.  After implementing all the changes I mentioned before, I hooked up the DV camera via Fire Wire ilo using the analog set I had been using for some time now.  Before I had to use the SMRT capture function to capture the video and now I have the option to choose Cannon DV as well as option to record in either AVI or MPEG format.  It seems as though the AVI format is working and the Jerky/ghostly image issue is gone.  I guess the program isn't as robust when recording through the analog jacks.  Click to DVD and Gigapocket didn't have that problem but of course I had a different issue with that program whcih is still unresolved..

Thanks for your help!!!!

Diano: If you had included your hookup info in the beginning, in place of your assurance that you had tried everything, this might have been resolved early on…

Most 3rd party capture devices that work through USB are not compatible with Roxio or at least are viewed as a web cam. In that case the capture quality is very low, which will produce the results you have experienced.

Glad you got it running!