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#1 User is offline   LightSwitchGuy 

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Posted 08 November 2006 - 07:33 PM

I purchased EMC 9 primarily for the Plug & Burn feature. I have 40 DV tapes that I want to archive on DVD and edit later.

I like the idea of not having to capture to the HD and record to DVD in Premiere. Plug & Burn seemed easy.

My first transfer was done at the High Quality capture setting. The results are less than impressive. The very evident compression artifacts are unacceptable.

Is there a way to get an uncompressed file on the DVD that is equal to the original DV?
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Posted 08 November 2006 - 08:00 PM

View PostLightSwitchGuy, on Nov 8 2006, 10:33 PM, said:

I purchased EMC 9 primarily for the Plug & Burn feature. I have 40 DV tapes that I want to archive on DVD and edit later.

I like the idea of not having to capture to the HD and record to DVD in Premiere. Plug & Burn seemed easy.

My first transfer was done at the High Quality capture setting. The results are less than impressive. The very evident compression artifacts are unacceptable.

Is there a way to get an uncompressed file on the DVD that is equal to the original DV?


Many users have found that Plug & Burn gives poor results. You are much better off capturing to your hard drive to avi format especially if you want to do any editing.

There is no such thing as an uncompressed file on the DVD that is equal to the original DV video. If you capture 1 hour of video from DV to an avi format (which is slightly compressed) you get a file of about 14GB. Since a 4.7GB DVD can only hold 1 hour of video at best quality, the video has to be compressed to fit on the DVD.

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Posted 08 November 2006 - 08:08 PM

View Postmyguggi, on Nov 8 2006, 08:00 PM, said:

Many users have found that Plug & Burn gives poor results. You are much better off capturing to your hard drive to avi format especially if you want to do any editing.

There is no such thing as an uncompressed file on the DVD that is equal to the original DV video. If you capture 1 hour of video from DV to an avi format (which is slightly compressed) you get a file of about 14GB. Since a 4.7GB DVD can only hold 1 hour of video at best quality, the video has to be compressed to fit on the DVD.



Darn. I knew it was to good to be true. I want my money back.
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Posted 09 November 2006 - 04:30 AM

View PostLightSwitchGuy, on Nov 8 2006, 10:08 PM, said:

Darn. I knew it was to good to be true. I want my money back.



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Posted 09 November 2006 - 07:55 AM

View Postmyguggi, on Nov 8 2006, 11:00 PM, said:

There is no such thing as an uncompressed file on the DVD that is equal to the original DV video. If you capture 1 hour of video from DV to an avi format (which is slightly compressed) you get a file of about 14GB. Since a 4.7GB DVD can only hold 1 hour of video at best quality, the video has to be compressed to fit on the DVD.
And this is true for ANY software on the market. There is only one possible exception: If you have a HDTV and a DVD player that can playback HD DivX or HD WMV. Videowave does support those formats. You just burn them as data DVDs.

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Posted 09 November 2006 - 01:58 PM

View Postgrandpabruce, on Nov 9 2006, 04:30 AM, said:

Contact Roxio, directly. This is a users forum.



Thanks for the suggestion.

Yes I did contact Roxio and suggested that they recreate the Plug & Burn product so that it produces DVDs of .avi quality in a format that could be brought back into an editor. The improved program could spread the 60 minute tape's content (typically 40 minutes) over 2 or 3 DVDs. 15 to 20 minute long DVDs would be fine for raw tape archiving. I can't imagine Plug and Burn in it's present incarnation be of much use to anyone.

Maybe I'm missing something here. Does anyone know of a feature in Roxio or other program that will do what I want to do quickly?
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Posted 09 November 2006 - 04:06 PM

None that I know.... Every program that I have used like Plug n Burn assumes that the user wants to record to a video DVD which means MPEG 2 compression on-the-fly. More like using a set top video recorder. If you want to capture to AVI, then use Media Import which captures to hard drive.
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Posted 09 November 2006 - 07:51 PM

View PostLightSwitchGuy, on Nov 9 2006, 04:58 PM, said:

Thanks for the suggestion.

Yes I did contact Roxio and suggested that they recreate the Plug & Burn product so that it produces DVDs of .avi quality in a format that could be brought back into an editor. The improved program could spread the 60 minute tape's content (typically 40 minutes) over 2 or 3 DVDs. 15 to 20 minute long DVDs would be fine for raw tape archiving. I can't imagine Plug and Burn in it's present incarnation be of much use to anyone.

Maybe I'm missing something here. Does anyone know of a feature in Roxio or other program that will do what I want to do quickly?


To me what you suggest is not an "improved" program. You would have to plug in a new DVD every 20 minutes or so anyway. The whole purpose of Plug&Burn is to burn to a DVD directly from tape and play the resulting DVD on a DVD Player.

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