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#1 Bach Fan

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Posted 20 December 2016 - 05:53 AM

 

Creator 2012 uses Soundedit13 version 13 by RoviCorp.

NXT Pro 5 uses Soundedit15 version 18 by Corel.

Good to know!

 

I went ahead and ordered NXT 5 Pro.  I have it installed, and to my eye and experience, sound editor is identical to what it's been for several generations now.  No cosmetic changes whatsoever.  The proof that there is something new under the hood will come when I no longer have the freeze ups that I had with 12.  I've done some editing but haven't yet ripped any LP's.  I'll post more when I've had a bit more time with it.

To my eye they look similar, too. Except for the fact that the position mark (blue line) doesn't advance any more, when playing the sound. :-(

(Reported to support. I hope they'll come up with a solution.)

 

I have been using WinOnCDs Soundeditors since version 2008. Had been happy with 2012 on Windows 7 until I needed a new CD/DVD burner. Soundeditor 2012 aborts burning. Since this version isn't supported any more I bought NXT5. Same error. :-( (Reported to support. I hope they'll come up with a solution.



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Posted 20 December 2016 - 06:45 AM

Soundeditor only burns 17 (WinOnCD12) resp. 19 (CreatorNXT5) of the 36 tracks of my project to audio CD (to disc image file, resp.).

All tracks are selected.

All tracks fit onto one CD.

 

I tried to solve the problem by exporting the tracks, making a new project from 36 clips, burning that.

Alas: same effect.

 

I tried all combinations of WAV and MP3 format as start-out and export files. No effect.

 

My solution is type of a detour: Burn an audio CD from those 36 clips with another tool from the WinOnCD or CreatorNXT5  suites: “Burn Audio-CD” (in the German version: “Audio-CD Brennen”).

Usability of that tool is poor. (It is only meant to be used for a single CD.)

This solution only works with WAV files. MP3 files create little cracks/fails between the tracks if there is no pause between tracks, if the music goes on, like in Bach’s Christmas oratorio.

That is complicated, needs by far too many unnecessary steps - but it works.

 

I wonder:

Did anyone else encounter that problem?

Does anyone have a solution?

 

Thanks for your comments.



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Posted 20 December 2016 - 07:12 AM

Soundeditor (WinOnCD12 and CreatorNXT5) doesn’t want to export all the 36 tracks of my project, if I use the command “export tracks/clips”; neither with 1 clip = 36 tracks, nor with 36 clips = 36 tracks.

I tried all combinations of WAV and MP3 format as start-out and export files. No effect.

 

Soundeditor runs (very fast) through all tracks in the process window, creates the proper folders from clip/track properties, but these folders remain empty.

Same effect if I only select a few tracks.

 

It works if I export track by track, using the command “export track” from the track’s context menu.

 

I wonder:

Did anyone else encounter that problem?

Does anyone have a solution?

 

Thanks for your comments.



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Posted 20 December 2016 - 08:22 AM

Bach Fan: Why don't you start a New Topic on your NXT 5 issues.  Mee Too posts are just not that productive.

 

Include your PC specs. And the specific program you are referring to.

 

The scrubber line in my Sound Editor 15 has no trouble moving.

 

Edit: Oh, now I see you already did -_-

 

HERE


Edited by Jim_Hardin, 20 December 2016 - 08:25 AM.


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Posted 20 December 2016 - 08:28 AM

PC specs?

 

Project specs? (Total time and type/size of disc you are using)



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Posted 20 December 2016 - 12:39 PM

Bach Fan,

 

Please don't post on multiple threads in the forum. Stick to this one, and it will be a lot less confusing for people to help you.


Assorted computers in Windows XP, 7, and 10.

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Posted 20 December 2016 - 11:05 PM

Jim_Hardin:

I considered the Me Too a helpful comment to the quoted items.

I posted them on THAT thread.

 

Jim_Hardin, Brendon:

I agree, this thread is terribly confusing.

Not only to you, but to me, too!

I answered (the Me Too) to one thread.

I opened two new threads for the two problems I reported. With new header, new tags.

Yesterday, when I posted, everything was in proper place.

Today I see that the system (?) made one thread out of my 3 different posts - why?



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Posted 21 December 2016 - 02:43 AM

PC specs?

 

Project specs? (Total time and type/size of disc you are using)

 

WinOnCD 12 on
Acer TravelMate, Intel i3, 1.33GHz; 4GB RAM
Win7 Home Premium, SP1, 64bit

Project Attached File  Acer project.txt   46.05KB   1 downloads
Since I'm not allowed to upload a DMSE file I changed the Extension to TXT.

burn spec Attached File  Acer burn CD.png   14.18KB   0 downloads

only 17 tracks Attached File  Acer burns only 17.png   8.81KB   0 downloads
Since I didn't want to spoil more CDs I burnt to disc image for the screenshot.

 

 

Creator NXT5 on
Silent PC, AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core Proc 4000+, 2.1 GHz; 2GB RAM
Win7 Professional, SP1, 32 Bit
NVIDIA GeForce 6150SE nForce 430, Eizo S2111W

Project Attached File  Si2 project.txt   44.24KB   3 downloads
Since I'm not allowed to upload a DMSE file I changed the Extension to TXT.

burn spec Attached File  Si2 burn CD.png   14.36KB   0 downloads

 

only 17 tracks Attached File  Si2 burns only 17 tracks.png   8.83KB   0 downloads

Since I didn't want to spoil more CDs I burnt to disc image for the screenshot.

It is only 17 tracks with NXT5-Soundeditor, too.
I'm sorry, I mixed up the "only 19 tracks" from a different project, where Soundeditor burns only 19 of the 22 tracks. (Both versions.)

 

Thanks for looking into my Problem!
 



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Posted 21 December 2016 - 03:48 AM

A DMSE file is a text file that contains text information about the titles and edits you have within your Project. Otherwise there is nothing there that answers any of the questions that I asked for...

 

Your PC's look fine but it is the Project that I am concerned about...

 

An Audio CD allows for up to 99 Tracks so that is not in question. However

 

An Audio CD-R can hold 74 or 80 minutes of music. Having 36 tracks allows about 2:03 to 2:13 minutes per song... Yet your very first song is 8+ minutes long. You can see my concern -_-

 

Otherwise, do your other Audio Projects burn OK?



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Posted 22 December 2016 - 08:13 AM

Thank you for your suggestions!

 

I'm aware of the fact that a DMSE file contains only text, that's why I changed the extension to TXT to upload those files. I knew I didn't do any harm to the content. When you asked for the project specs I thought you meant these roxio project files. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

 

Your suggestions triggered the idea that lead me to solving the problem. :) Every other year our choir performs Bach's Christmas oratorio, every other year I produce those CDs. Either 2 or 3 cantatas on one CD, either 23 or 36 tracks. What is different this year? I looked into the projects and came up with a solution that reminds me of my first programming steps in 1969 (no typo). It is a text length that matters!  With both above problems: Soundeditor doesn't burn all the tracks of my project/ doesn't export the tracks.

 

In clip properties which are passed on to track properties I can specify up to 128 characters for "artists" (not album artists). (More is cut off.)

artists textlength=128 char

  • burns 17 of 36 tracks
  • creates the export folders but they remain empty

artists textlength=113 char

  • burns 19 of 36 tracks
  • creates the export folders but they remain empty

artists textlength=88 char

  • burns 22 of 36 tracks
  • creates the export folders but they remain empty

artists textlength=78 char

  • burns 24 of 36 tracks
  • exports all 36 tracks properly

artists textlength=70 char

  • burns all 36 tracks properly
  • exports all 36 tracks properly

 

Another Problem is solved, too: The scrubber line is moving, now. I checked the grafic card driver, Windows as well as the NVIDIA check routine confirmed: the driver is up to date. But those checks must have moved a bit somewhere in the registry. Now the line is moving. :)

 

Thanks for looking into my problem!

  

 



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Posted 22 December 2016 - 08:40 AM

I am glad to hear you got it working as well as telling us the reasons. Didn't think about that but the Red Book Standards do limit the space available for text and of course the length of the text is eating that space up -_-

 

I do recall early programming (1980 for me) you wrote code, tested it until you were happy then went back and removed every single byte you could to keep the size down :lol:

 

Good luck and don't hesitate to pop in when you can ;)



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Posted 23 December 2016 - 04:04 AM

Jim_Hardin,

 

about your remark to the Red Book Standards:

  • Didn't think about that but the Red Book Standards do limit the space available for text and of course the length of the text is eating that space up -_-

Sure. But I would expect a professional software to deal with Red Book restrictions other than in this curious way. It should reserve whatever space the Red Book allows. Main memory isn't that precious any more like it was in the 60s and again in the new world of pcs in the 80s. And if that space runs out then it should tell so. If it were only some general type of message like "You can't burn so many tracks with artist lists of 128 char each.". Then I would know where to look for the problem. Wouldn't you agree?
 

and little addendum answering to your concern:

  • An Audio CD-R can hold 74 or 80 minutes of music. Having 36 tracks allows about 2:03 to 2:13 minutes per song... Yet your very first song is 8+ minutes long. You can see my concern -_-

The burn spec screenshot shows: I'm using a CD-R of 80 minutes, the total length of the music is 77 min 43 sec, and the graphic shows that lots of the tracks are very short.

That's what I meant when I said in the beginning: All tracks fit onto one CD.

And indeed, they fit properly if I'm using the work-around described as type of detour, above.

 

 

And yes, I'll probably pop in, again, soon enough - my most serious problem hasn't been solved so far.  :( Soundeditor doesn't like my new burner. I'll run some more tests, first, then post my problem. Experience so far tells me: I'll add to this thread and won't start a new one. ;) 
 

 

 

 



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Posted 23 December 2016 - 05:15 AM

Thank you for the Time clarification -_-

 

I agree that the software should warn and that the warning should be appropriate to the actual problem!

 

But this is not always the case :unsure:



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Posted 23 December 2016 - 06:06 AM

So, here I am again, with my serious problem. :mellow:

 

I try to be short, but have to explain and document.

 

Situation: I have been using WinOnCDs Soundeditors since version 2008, appreciated the improvements from 2009 to 2012.

I mainly edit/cut live-recordings of choir concerts to produce remembrance CDs.
I had been happy with 2012 on Windows 7 until I needed a new CD/DVD burner.
With that device Soundeditor 2012 aborts burning for all projects.
Since this version isn't supported any more I bought Creator NXT5. Same error.

 

Problem: The directory is written, then the burner speeds up to write the tracks, then aborts.

Yes, avoid buffer underrun is checked.
I varied the buffer size from 65MB to 500MB which seems to postpone the time of abortion a little.

 

Equipment: Creator NXT5, runs on
Silent PC, AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core Proc 4000+, 2.1 GHz; 2GB RAM
Win7 Professional, SP1, 32 Bit
NVIDIA GeForce 6150SE nForce 430, Eizo S2111W

 

The new burner
DVD-RW Samsung SH-224GB/BEBESATA (internal)
Windows states that the device driver is up to date.

Windows can read from and and write to that device, data and audio.

 

Every Soundeditor project aborts burning on that burner.

burn abort Attached File  Soundeditor burn abort 1.png   17.93KB   0 downloads

details Attached File  Soundeditor burn abort 2.png   29.01KB   0 downloads
 

All Soundeditor projects burnt properly on former drive
Samsung DVD-RW SH-S203/BEBE (internal)

 

All Soundeditor projects still burn properly on
ASUS SDRW-08D2S-U (USB)
LG HL-DT-ST DVD-RAM GSA-E60L (USB)

 

Workaround 1: write to disc image with Soundeditor, then use another feature of Creator NXT5 to burn the disc image.

Main menu > Data/Copy > burn disc Image

Attached File  main menu 1.png   43.09KB   0 downloads

That aborts, too.

error message and details

Attached File  Creator NXT5 burn disc image abort.png   49.72KB   0 downloads

 

Workaround 2: With Soundeditor I exported all the tracks of my project to single WAV files.
I can burn audio CDs from those files with that same burner with Windows Media Center without any problem.

 

Workaround 3: I even can burn audio CDs from those WAV files with that same burner with Roxio Creator!
If I chose a different feature from the Start page:

Main menu > Music/Audio > burn Audio-CDs

Attached File  main menu 2.png   77.66KB   0 downloads

That feature is perfectly able to burn my audio CD on that burner. :)

 

To me it seems to show that the different features under the roof of Creator use different device access procedures.
 
I can use the Workarounds 3 or 2, or use the USB burners. But I'd rather use the straight and easy path from the project and use the internal burner.

Can you think of anything I might be able to do to solve the problem?

 

Thank you for your time!

 

 






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