[jf18@aol.com]

I am using EMC version 8, and have recently purchased a Sony dual layer burner. When selecting a movie to burn in the Disk Copier window, using Advanced settings, and try to set the proper disk size, I only have three choices (a)DVD-R/DVD+R, (b)DVD+R DL, and ©DVD-RAM. What I need is DVD-R DL. Is there somewhere else I need to go so this becomes a choice? When I am in the Creator 8 Home Suite, it recognizes the drive and shows me this is one of the types of disks it will burn, but I still cannot get this as an option in the Disk Copier menu.

[tbrewst]

Are you sure the drive will do -DL?What model is it?Alot of Sony drives have a habit of only liking + discs.

[jf18@aol.com]

tbrewst, on Jan 22 2006, 03:40 PM, said:

Are you sure the drive will do -DL?What model is it?Alot of Sony drives have a habit of only liking + discs.

Yes it specifically lists DVD-R DL among others. It is a Sony DW-Q30A. When I look at the drive in the Home Screen, it also shows DVD-R DL as an option on the properties of the drive. I just can't get it as a selection in the Disk Copier screen.

[tbrewst]

After playing around with this for a bit I'm beginning to believe that those are the only choices you can get.I have 2 burners in my machine.No matter which one I choose as the destination I get those same 3 choices,even though one of the burners doesn't do DL.I even get those choices if I choose my external cd writer.

[rzamora]

tbrewst, on Jan 22 2006, 05:43 PM, said:

After playing around with this for a bit I'm beginning to believe that those are the only choices you can get.I have 2 burners in my machine.No matter which one I choose as the destination I get those same 3 choices,even though one of the burners doesn't do DL.I even get those choices if I choose my external cd writer.

I had the same problem. I read the readme file that came with the install and under known issues it sated that DVD-R DL cannot be used for copying video DVDs or video compulations.

[smugger]

I have had the same problem with not being able to burn to a DVD-R DL but had no luck with this forum or with roxio direct.
but the other day i was coping my wedding video from my hard drive to a DVD-R and had to do 6 copies so set disc copier to do the 6 copies and after it had finished the first one it asked for a blank media and in the box of alternatives it listed DVD-R DL so i put one in a DVD-R DL and it burned it ok.
BUT after i had finnished i re opened disc copier inserted a blank DVD-R DL and went to copy my wedding video again and it rejected the disk and a list comes up with acceptable media and it lists DVD+R DL but not -R DL?????

Maby somebody from roxio may read this and have an answer but seeing some of the comments made elsware in the forums i won't hold my breath of ever getting a reply from them as they have not answered any of my 18 tickets i have placed with them since OCT/NOV.

[REDWAGON]

I am using EMC 7.1.1.189ENU rather than EMC 8 and using a Sony DRU-720A DL DVD/RW drive. The drive information indicates being able to record to just about every kind of media and It might depending on the program used to do the recording. However, when I have tried to use -R DL media with my EMC 7 it will not work so I have been using +R DL media (Verbatim) and all works O.K.

On the other hand I can use -R DL media with other programs I have and they work O.K. So I guess it's just EMC that won't allow the -R DL media, rather than the drive
.
The Sony DRU-720A shows the following media that it can record to:
+R
DVD+R DL 4x
DVD+R 16X----DVD+RW 8X

-R
DVD-R 16X----DVD-RW 6X

DVD-ROM 16X---CD-R 48X---CD-RW 24X---CD-ROM 48X

Frank............

[cdanteek]

redwagon713, on Jan 27 2006, 05:30 PM, said:

I am using EMC 7.1.1.189ENU rather than EMC 8 and using a Sony DRU-720A DL DVD/RW drive. The drive information indicates being able to record to just about every kind of media and It might depending on the program used to do the recording. However, when I have tried to use -R DL media with my EMC 7 it will not work so I have been using +R DL media (Verbatim) and all works O.K.

On the other hand I can use -R DL media with other programs I have and they work O.K. So I guess it's just EMC that won't allow the -R DL media, rather than the drive
.
The Sony DRU-720A shows the following media that it can record to:
+R
DVD+R DL 4x
DVD+R 16X----DVD+RW 8X

-R
DVD-R 16X----DVD-RW 6X

DVD-ROM 16X---CD-R 48X---CD-RW 24X---CD-ROM 48X

Frank............

Frank your drive does not support DVD-RDL!
Sony Site DRU720A page 21,
http://sony.storagesupport.com/dvdrw/downl.../DRU720A_UG.pdf

cdanteek

[ggrussell]

Actually, there's more to it than that. Starting with V7, the Roxio burn engine totally depends on the DRIVE to pass the correct information to it. OTHER programs just ignore the drive and makes alot of assumptions about the media in the drive. Like you tell it that you inserted DL and it 'assumes' that is what in the drive. EMC 7 & 8 actually queries the drive for the media type EVERY time before it burns. IF THE DRIVE does not properly read the media type, then neither will EMC. This is why we emphasize updating the firmware in burners.

You should check the Sony website to see what brand of -DL media is recommended or has been tested with that particular drive. It could be something as simple as using the that media.

[REDWAGON]

CDANTEEK: I think I pretty much said specifically that in my post that my EMC 7 would not take DVD-R DL but would take DVD+R DL. And I don't see any place in the specific details of the drive that it would (Bold Blue color). I was reading directly off of the retail box that it came in. And using DVD-R DL with "other" programs, it pretty much depends on what kind of files your are trying to burn.
Anyway, it sure won't work with EMC 7.x And you are correct in suggesting that on page 21 of the manual it doesn't show it either. As ggrussell suggests, I have the latest firmware up date for the DRU-720A and after having it for some time now, I pretty much know what it can and can't do with all of the programs I use it with.



Point taken however, cdanteek.



Frank.......

[cdanteek]

redwagon713, on Jan 31 2006, 11:07 PM, said:

CDANTEEK: I think I pretty much said specifically that in my post that my EMC 7 would not take DVD-R DL but would take DVD+R DL. And I don't see any place in the specific details of the drive that it would (Bold Blue color). I was reading directly off of the retail box that it came in. And using DVD-R DL with "other" programs, it pretty much depends on what kind of files your are trying to burn.
Anyway, it sure won't work with EMC 7.x And you are correct in suggesting that on page 21 of the manual it doesn't show it either. As ggrussell suggests, I have the latest firmware up date for the DRU-720A and after having it for some time now, I pretty much know what it can and can't do with all of the programs I use it with.



Point taken however, cdanteek.



Frank.......

Question then Frank, with latest firmware off Sony site (Firmware Upgrade Version JY08 Improvements: Writing performance and reliability improvements) Don't care what program, are you saying the Sony DRU720A is now a DVD DL-R burner?

cdanteek

[REDWAGON]

Absolutely not cdanteek. I'm just suggesting that what a manufacturer says the drive is capable of burning as far as the type of media is concerned is not always the case. Most manufacturers of optical drives do not go out and check every kind of media to see if it will burn correctly. They will advertise however, those media brands that they have tested and recommend those. And agreeably, that is what one should do. Download the latest firmware, check with the manufacturer of your drive to see what they recommend and also check with the manufacturer of the program you plan to use with that type of media and burner and you will probably be as well off as you can be.

As an example, I have tried many different types of brand name media and some won't burn in my drives while others burn every time. Not necessarily knocking Memorex, but I have never got them to burn right. The speeds that the media manufacturers advertise is also another quandry. Some media is advertised at a certain speed and the burner manufacturer advertises that it can burn at that speed but when you put the two together, they don't come close to that. Example: I have some TDK DVD+R and TDK-R that are advertised at 8X. My Sony DRU-720A spec's says it can burn those at 8X-CAV read and 8X-P-CAV write and 8X-CAV read and 8X-P-CAV write. However, they don't come close to that. They write at about 1.2 to 1.7 X. And That's when I have the program being used set at the highest speed available. So go figure !

I'm not intending to be argumentative at all, but rather discuss what I have expierenced.
I'm curious about the original posters statement that the Sony DW-Q30A specifically states it can burn DVD-R DL. I was not aware of that. I wonder what Sony did to that drive so they could advertise being able to burn DVD-R DL media ?? Any ideas ?



Frank...........

[cdanteek]

redwagon713, on Feb 1 2006, 04:49 PM, said:

Absolutely not cdanteek. I'm just suggesting that what a manufacturer says the drive is capable of burning as far as the type of media is concerned is not always the case. Most manufacturers of optical drives do not go out and check every kind of media to see if it will burn correctly. They will advertise however, those media brands that they have tested and recommend those. And agreeably, that is what one should do. Download the latest firmware, check with the manufacturer of your drive to see what they recommend and also check with the manufacturer of the program you plan to use with that type of media and burner and you will probably be as well off as you can be.

As an example, I have tried many different types of brand name media and some won't burn in my drives while others burn every time. Not necessarily knocking Memorex, but I have never got them to burn right. The speeds that the media manufacturers advertise is also another quandry. Some media is advertised at a certain speed and the burner manufacturer advertises that it can burn at that speed but when you put the two together, they don't come close to that. Example: I have some TDK DVD+R and TDK-R that are advertised at 8X. My Sony DRU-720A spec's says it can burn those at 8X-CAV read and 8X-P-CAV write and 8X-CAV read and 8X-P-CAV write. However, they don't come close to that. They write at about 1.2 to 1.7 X. And That's when I have the program being used set at the highest speed available. So go figure !

I'm not intending to be argumentative at all, but rather discuss what I have expierenced.
I'm curious about the original posters statement that the Sony DW-Q30A specifically states it can burn DVD-R DL. I was not aware of that. I wonder what Sony did to that drive so they could advertise being able to burn DVD-R DL media ?? Any ideas ?



Frank...........

Understood Frank,
Your DRU720A seems to be a Liteon (Sony DRU-720A (rebadged LiteOn SOHW-1673S) Review (by CDR Labs).
Your TDK - + R's I would like to see media codes in Dvdinfopro or dvdidentifer. Please post. Do other 8x disc's burn ok? Have you checked what mode dma on the ide channel, drives are hooked to?

Sony DW-Q30A off Newegg.com Cache: 2M
CD-R: 48X
CD-RW: 24X
DVD+R: 16X
DVD+R DL: 8X
DVD+RW: 8X
DVD-R: 16X
DVD-R DL: 4X
DVD-ROM: 16X
DVD-RW: 6X

Some say Liteon who knows! Sony DRU800A are Liteon and Sony DRU810A Benq.
Good reading for Sony Liteon owners.
http://codeguys.rpc1...w_overview.html
http://club.cdfreaks...ad.php?t=140594

Like your MB are you running sata2? I have been thinking of building a system on that board with pc2 5400 ram . Any comments good bad?

cdanteek

This post has been edited by cdanteek: 02 February 2006 - 04:40 AM

[REDWAGON]

For starters I am not running SATA2. Both of my Western Digital drives are running in IDE. I pretty much purchase and use TDK or Verbatim media and so far all of my 8X media burns O.K. I just read where Verbatim is coming out with some media that holds up to 50 GB WOW !

Other personal info: I have a small home office company (Digital Data Save) that takes some small local companies Hard copies (which build up to many card board boxes full of extranious forms etc.) and scan them, create logical names for each and then burn all of the files to CD for them. Gets rid of a lot of old forms and saves them a lot of space to boot. I'm starting to get away from that now as I think I killed my own business by showing most of them what hardware and software to buy and then gave them a few complimentary lessons on how to make it all work. So now they are doing for themselves what I used to do for them.

Well, after the word got around that I built custom computers (desktops, Windows operating systems and Intel processors only) I started getting a few orders for new computers. Now I'm even getting tired of that so now I am pretty much just doing my own kind of stuff and having fun with all these Roxio software programs and getting acquainted with some real nice dudes (Gurus) that frequent this forum. I am a retired professional Civil Engineer and now just do most all this as a hobby and have fun.

I use Asus products exclusively as far as the MB's then purchase most all of the other hardware from NewEgg.com based on whatever suits the customer.

The computers I use as my personal computers I have also custom built. So far they have all been pretty reliable and have had practically no problems with them or the ones I built for others. I just don't believe all the hype regarding SATA drives in a RAID configuration, especially "mirrored". There is some good and bad and I really don't think that with that configuration, that it's all that much faster anyway. I guess it's hard to get me away from the old school !! As most reliable tech's will tell you doing some good house cleaning on your computer and probably adding more RAM will be as good as a couple of SATA HD's. Although there are others that totally disagree with me. But that's O.K. as long as the people I build computers for are totally happy campers.

Thanks for the come back and information about the Sony optical drives.
Cheers
Frank........

[cdanteek]

redwagon713, on Feb 3 2006, 06:13 AM, said:

For starters I am not running SATA2. Both of my Western Digital drives are running in IDE. I pretty much purchase and use TDK or Verbatim media and so far all of my 8X media burns O.K. I just read where Verbatim is coming out with some media that holds up to 50 GB WOW !

I use Asus products exclusively as far as the MB's then purchase most all of the other hardware from NewEgg.com based on whatever suits the customer.

I just don't believe all the hype regarding SATA drives in a RAID configuration, especially "mirrored". There is some good and bad and I really don't think that with that configuration, that it's all that much faster anyway. I guess it's hard to get me away from the old school !! As most reliable tech's will tell you doing some good house cleaning on your computer and probably adding more RAM will be as good as a couple of SATA HD's. Although there are others that totally disagree with me. But that's O.K. as long as the people I build computers for are totally happy campers.

Thanks for the come back and information about the Sony optical drives.
Cheers
Frank........

The 50GB WOW would be BD for Blue Ray Disc.
Asus I like and have had no problems building systems on them.
Newegg used to be great but prices have gone up and shipping has got slower. Price compare at Mwave, TigerDirext, ZipZoomFly, and others!

I use a SATA Raid Strip aray 2 80GB Maxtors for video encoding and believe the HYPE. I have a 80GB on a via 133 and 40GB on IDE. Now if I run transfer tests on these drives. I get 45x on ide, 52x on via 133, and 63x on the SATA Raid Strip Aray.
Now with SATA2, seek times and the fact that they will tend to have a larger cached buffer, maxtor for example at 16MB, as opposed to the 8MB. Seek times will be generally faster usually -8 or -9 ms. There will be a general speed increase but it will mainly be an overall one. Those who will see the benefits more than others will be, video editors, some gamers and cad users, simply because the information is more speedily available.
You have the board and the Ram. The slowest link here are the hard drives.
So if you would like to see a performance increase go with SATA2 hard drives in a raid strip aray.
A good house cleaning and another Gig of Ram won't do much. I have been there done that.


cdanteek