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#1 User is offline   Jimbo321 

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Posted 25 November 2006 - 11:04 PM

After trying my first project I am just curious, has anyone been able to get this program to generate a slideshow or write a DVD without experience a massive amount of what seems like bugs, errors, and crashes? I would like to know before I invest the time to try to get it working correctly?
Thanks, Jim
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Posted 26 November 2006 - 06:33 AM

View PostJimbo321, on Nov 26 2006, 01:04 AM, said:

After trying my first project I am just curious, has anyone been able to get this program to generate a slideshow or write a DVD without experience a massive amount of what seems like bugs, errors, and crashes? I would like to know before I invest the time to try to get it working correctly?
Thanks, Jim


After trying your first project in what? I have no problems, but if your computer specs don't far exceed the minimum requirements, you can get it to work alright, but all will be slow going.
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Posted 26 November 2006 - 08:58 PM

I have been trying to take a group of .jpg pictures and make a dvd slide show. The tools that are not working as expected are as follows:

Videowave 9
Unstable text editing
Unstable when moving slides
Unstable moving audio track or changing fades
Crashes
Hangs

MyDVD
Will preview created slideshow to computer screen
Dropped sildes with black rectangles in place of dropped images when writing to image.iso or dvd
Seem to be more stable when Roxio diskdrive and folder monitoring software is disabled
Crashes when writing to DVD ~ 50% of the time

CinePlayer
Video but no Audio while playing DVDs
DVDs will play fine with other software such as powerDVD on the same computer

Disc Copier
Errors copy one disk to another

Note I ran CHKDSK, Defrag, and I updated the BIOS on both DVD drives per Roxio knowledge base with no change.

Software seems consistantly unstable.

System is a Dell Workstation 670

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GRAPHICS, 64, PERIPHERAL COMPONENT INTERCONNECT EXPRESS, NVS280, ULGA5
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Posted 27 November 2006 - 05:38 AM

View PostJimbo321, on Nov 26 2006, 10:58 PM, said:

I have been trying to take a group of .jpg pictures and make a dvd slide show. The tools that are not working as expected are as follows:

Videowave 9
Unstable text editing
Unstable when moving slides
Unstable moving audio track or changing fades
Crashes
Hangs

MyDVD
Will preview created slideshow to computer screen
Dropped sildes with black rectangles in place of dropped images when writing to image.iso or dvd
Seem to be more stable when Roxio diskdrive and folder monitoring software is disabled
Crashes when writing to DVD ~ 50% of the time

CinePlayer
Video but no Audio while playing DVDs
DVDs will play fine with other software such as powerDVD on the same computer

Disc Copier
Errors copy one disk to another

Note I ran CHKDSK, Defrag, and I updated the BIOS on both DVD drives per Roxio knowledge base with change.

Software seems consistantly unstable.

System is a Dell Workstation 670

PROCESSOR, 80546K, 3.6G, 1M, XEON NOCONA, 800, E0
PROCESSOR, 80546K, 3.6G, 1M, XEON NOCONA, 800, E0
KEYBOARD, 104, UNITED STATES, SILITEK, LOW COST, MIDNIGHT GRAY
DUAL IN-LINE MEMORY MODULE, 512, 400M, 32X72, 8, 240, 2RX8
DUAL IN-LINE MEMORY MODULE, 512, 400M, 64X72, 8, 240, 1RX8
MOUSE, UNIVERSAL SERIAL BUS, 2BTN, WHEEL, ENTRY, PRIMAX ELECTRONICS LTD
MULTI-MEDIA, AUDIO, 1394, SB0353
DIGITAL VIDEO DISK DRIVE, 17G, 16X, I, 5.25" FORM FACTOR, LITEON, CHASSIS 2001, V5
DVD+/-RW, 16X, HALF HEIGHT, NEC CORPORATION, CHASSIS 2001
GRAPHICS, 64, PERIPHERAL COMPONENT INTERCONNECT EXPRESS, NVS280, ULGA5
FLOPPY DRIVE, 1.44M, TEAC, CHASSIS 2001
HARD DRIVE, 73GB, S, U320, 15K, 68P, SEAGATE


It is quite possible that your video chip may be the problem. Install the latest drivers for that video card/chip, and if that doesn't help, get a dedicated video card.
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Posted 27 November 2006 - 06:47 AM

View PostJimbo321, on Nov 25 2006, 11:04 PM, said:

After trying my first project I am just curious, has anyone been able to get this program to generate a slideshow or write a DVD without experience a massive amount of what seems like bugs, errors, and crashes? I would like to know before I invest the time to try to get it working correctly?
Thanks, Jim


Plan on spending a fair amount of time shutting down the program with Task Manager and restarting. I have been trying to simply cut some scenes out of my DV AVI file and add a little text. It is very time consuming because it continually hangs and has to be restarted.
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Posted 27 November 2006 - 07:01 AM

View PosttafkaBruce, on Nov 27 2006, 09:47 AM, said:

Plan on spending a fair amount of time shutting down the program with Task Manager and restarting. I have been trying to simply cut some scenes out of my DV AVI file and add a little text. It is very time consuming because it continually hangs and has to be restarted.

tafkaBruce: So far you are off to a great start. You have made 2 whiny posts and not asked a single question or offered anyone any help or advice…

If you have a problem, then start a new thread and post the specs. Otherwise you are on the short list of candidates for deletion.
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Post icon  Posted 27 November 2006 - 07:52 AM

I have a brand new Dell with plenty of hard drive space and all the bells and whistle.........newest video drivers and all that, but this program still "is experiencing a problem and must shut down" on a regular basis.
I have uninstalled the program and reinstalled it twice now.....Could the problem be that my old Roxio Easy CD/DVD Creator 6 is still installed.....the onscreen instructions said to leave it, if there was a chance I'd still be using it. I am running XP media.
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Posted 27 November 2006 - 09:06 AM

View Postgrammaone, on Nov 27 2006, 09:52 AM, said:

I have a brand new Dell with plenty of hard drive space and all the bells and whistle.........newest video drivers and all that, but this program still "is experiencing a problem and must shut down" on a regular basis.
I have uninstalled the program and reinstalled it twice now.....Could the problem be that my old Roxio Easy CD/DVD Creator 6 is still installed.....the onscreen instructions said to leave it, if there was a chance I'd still be using it. I am running XP media.


The ECD Creator 6 is not a problem if you don't have both the Direct CD installed and the Drag to Disc from EMC 9 installed. You can only have one or the other. I don't install packet writing software.

Your problem is more than likely the junk that came installed on your Dell. See if Sonic DLA is installed or Nero InCD. If either is on your hard drive, uninstall it.
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Posted 27 November 2006 - 10:55 AM

Fair enough, I am new to this posting thing...

I thought I asked the following:

1) Has anyone been able to get this program to generate a slideshow or write a DVD without experience a massive amount of what seems like bugs, errors, and crashes?

Please delete as you suggest.
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Posted 27 November 2006 - 11:16 AM

View PostJimbo321, on Nov 27 2006, 01:55 PM, said:

1) Has anyone been able to get this program to generate a slideshow or write a DVD without experience a massive amount of what seems like bugs, errors, and crashes?


Yes, I have done two projects that both have slideshow and video clips. One project is 1.75 hours long and the other 12 minutes. Massive amount of bugs, errors, crashes? No, I did not experience that. Enhancement wish? Yes, I have a few.
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Posted 27 November 2006 - 11:21 AM

View PostJimbo321, on Nov 27 2006, 12:55 PM, said:

1) Has anyone been able to get this program to generate a slideshow or write a DVD without experience a massive amount of what seems like bugs, errors, and crashes?

I've also done a few slideshow projects and videos, and burned dvd's from tehm with no issues (bugs, errors, crashes, etc).
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Posted 27 November 2006 - 11:27 AM

View PostJimbo321, on Nov 27 2006, 10:55 AM, said:

Fair enough, I am new to this posting thing...

I thought I asked the following:

1) Has anyone been able to get this program to generate a slideshow or write a DVD without experience a massive amount of what seems like bugs, errors, and crashes?

Please delete as you suggest.


Jimbo,

James Harding's comments were I believe directed at me. Best keep you comments positive.
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Posted 27 November 2006 - 11:28 AM

View Postgrandpabruce, on Nov 27 2006, 09:06 AM, said:

The ECD Creator 6 is not a problem if you don't have both the Direct CD installed and the Drag to Disc from EMC 9 installed. You can only have one or the other. I don't install packet writing software.

Your problem is more than likely the junk that came installed on your Dell. See if Sonic DLA is installed or Nero InCD. If either is on your hard drive, uninstall it.


Could you be more specific on the Sonic DLA junk? I'm having the same problem with the program crashing and I do have some Sonic stuff on it but don't want to remove anything that will keep me from editing projects I've already created with it.

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Posted 27 November 2006 - 04:04 PM

Making some progress...

Removed all other dvd related software and did a complete uninstall and reinstall with no change.

Removed Roxio drag and drop to disc and turned off Roxio media manager services folder watching and this helps.

Update to the latest version of Direct X from Microsoft. No change.

Also downloaded the latest video driver from Nvidia which also fixed some issues including fixing text editing.

Running Cineplayer crashes VideoWave 9. So try to run just Roxio one application at a time.

Still dropping slides when creating the image.iso

Updated SB Audigy drivers, and I now have audio from cineplayer.

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Posted 28 November 2006 - 06:20 PM

View PostJimbo321, on Nov 25 2006, 11:04 PM, said:

After trying my first project I am just curious, has anyone been able to get this program to generate a slideshow or write a DVD without experience a massive amount of what seems like bugs, errors, and crashes? I would like to know before I invest the time to try to get it working correctly?
Thanks, Jim



It seems that it is alwas your problem. I am a software development engineer that bought EMC 9 and it DOES NOT WORK.
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Posted 28 November 2006 - 06:33 PM

View Postmjm, on Nov 28 2006, 06:20 PM, said:

It seems that it is alwas your problem. I am a software development engineer that bought EMC 9 and it DOES NOT WORK.


MJM,

This is the 3rd or 4th generation of this software I've purchased and each time I think they are going to get it fixed. 8 had its challenges, but I find 9 wont even work for some pretty basic tasks.

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Posted 28 November 2006 - 07:28 PM

View PosttafkaBruce, on Nov 28 2006, 08:33 PM, said:

MJM,

This is the 3rd or 4th generation of this software I've purchased and each time I think they are going to get it fixed. 8 had its challenges, but I find 9 wont even work for some pretty basic tasks.

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You don't even have the decency to come back and answer any questions. You hop from thread to thread bitching about the software, but offer nothing else outside of my car won't start.

Go back to the damned threads where you bitched and answer the questions that you ignored!!!

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Posted 29 November 2006 - 11:35 AM

Ok I have been able to get it to work much much better.... Still some issues, but night and day better.
It took some time, but here is what I did.

CHKDSK and DEFRAG
Updated DVD drive bios, Sound and Video Drivers
Uninstalled all Roxio and Sonic software, removed all Roxio and Sonic software reg keys, folders
Restarted
Reinstalled

Uninstalled ROXIO drag and drop
Exit ROXIO Media Manager Service Folder watching in sys tray

Do not use the slideshow assistant but go straight into videowave for slideshow.

Keeping my fingers crossed here,
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Posted 29 November 2006 - 11:39 AM

View PostJimbo321, on Nov 29 2006, 01:35 PM, said:

Ok I have been able to get it to work much much better.... Still some issues, but night and day better.
It took some time, but here is what I did.

CHKDSK and DEFRAG
Updated DVD drive bios, Sound and Video Drivers
Uninstalled all Roxio and Sonic software, removed all Roxio and Sonic software reg keys, folders
Restarted
Reinstalled

Uninstalled ROXIO drag and drop
Exit ROXIO Media Manager Service Folder watching in sys tray

Do not use the slideshow assistant but go straight into videowave for slideshow.

Keeping my fingers crossed here,
Jim


Good luck, Jim. Let us know how it turns out.
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Intel Core i7 920 Nehalem 2.66GHz 4 x 256KB L2 Cache 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor
CORSAIR DOMINATOR 3GB (3 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866
PLEXTOR Black DVD Burner, Model PX-880SA; Pioneer Black 8X BD-R 2X BD-RE 16X DVD+R Burner
XFX HD-489A-ZDFC Radeon HD 4890 1GB Video Card
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Posted 30 November 2006 - 08:55 AM

View Postmjm, on Nov 30 2006, 10:36 AM, said:

I am looking for answers to my problem, not a reprimand. I have a life beyond sitting at my machine in a forum. All my experiences have been posted and new threads started in the hope of getting a solution. I guess life is not that good with you.


I was responding to tafkaBruce, not you.

And, life is good with me.
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