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[KRSELBY]

I'm using EMC8 and am trying to write mutable sessions to the disk. I can write the frist session ok with no problems , but when I add another session it burns ok and I can get the files to view in EMC8 disk info but I can't get windows explorer to see anything but the frist session. Anyone know whats I'm doing wrong?

[james_hardin]

Since you didn't actually tell us how you are doing things, what would you like us to try to guess at?

Using Classic?

What settings?

Do you import?

What media?

What version of Windows? SP?

If you remove the disc after burn, insert another, then reinsert the burned disc, does it help?

[KRSELBY]

james_hardin, on Dec 15 2006, 12:48 PM, said:

Since you didn't actually tell us how you are doing things, what would you like us to try to guess at?

Using Classic?

What settings?

Do you import?

What media?

What version of Windows? SP?

If you remove the disc after burn, insert another, then reinsert the burned disc, does it help?

I'm burning using data disk not classic, I'm burning in ISO + joliet, I do and can import the frist session before adding files,this is on a dvd+r and I'm have windows Xp Home build 2600_Sp2_gdr.050301_1519 (Service pack 2). I have tryed ejecting the disk and reinserting it and rebooting the computer to no avail. If I put a new dvd inm burn all the files a once including the added files it works just fine. It's only the addedsessions that fail to show.

[james_hardin]

OK, you are using Classic because that is the only program in the Suite that does this…

It does not appear to be anything wrong with your steps in burning.

SP2 fixed(?) the problem that XP originally had of not being able to read Sessions with a DVD.

That would leave your burner. Check to see if there is a Firmware update for your drive. In Classic you can use the Tools – Disc and Device Utility to see what firmware you currently have in your burner.

[KRSELBY]

james_hardin, on Dec 15 2006, 01:51 PM, said:

OK, you are using Classic because that is the only program in the Suite that does this…

It does not appear to be anything wrong with your steps in burning.

SP2 fixed(?) the problem that XP originally had of not being able to read Sessions with a DVD.

That would leave your burner. Check to see if there is a Firmware update for your drive. In Classic you can use the Tools – Disc and Device Utility to see what firmware you currently have in your burner.

One of is misunderstandind,problably me, I did not use classic to burn. From the home page I selected data, then data disc and burned from there. Now here is the strange part, if I do go to classic in the top pane (source selector) I can see my appendable disc ,I can see the tracks under track view ,Track 01 3.14 GB,track 02 218MB, track 03 1 GB (which I believe is my free space), but if i go tofile view only the frist track files are visable. Hold on it gets stranger, If I select iomport appendable disc in the bottom pane(data disc project) all the file are viewable from all sessions, with 1 GB of free space.

[james_hardin]

Correct, that is how it works. You must import all of your previous session contents into the project pane or they will not be visible when the next session is written.

Use the import icon above the Project Pane to load them into the pane. Then add any additional files you want to add to the project and burn.

If you want to keep the disc open to add more later, make sure you don't select the Read Only option. You want to Finalize Session, Don't Finalize Disc.

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[KRSELBY]

james_hardin, on Dec 16 2006, 02:44 AM, said:

Correct, that is how it works. You must import all of your previous session contents into the project pane or they will not be visible when the next session is written.

Use the import icon above the Project Pane to load them into the pane. Then add any additional files you want to add to the project and burn.

If you want to keep the disc open to add more later, make sure you don't select the Read Only option. You want to Finalize Session, Don't Finalize Disc.

That's excatly what I did .I have track at once selected-open, I've updated my dvd-rw firmware(Pioneer dvd rw dvdr110d), I've tryed burning in both classis and data dvd from the home page,I've tryed burning in ISO+Joliet and ISO+Joliet+udf,though I noticed that when using classic only udf is available with a Joliet bridge when I put in the appendable disc, Still when I go to burn another session only the frist session is viewable in the source pane and in WINDOWS EXPLORER. I don't believe I'm finalizing the disc since I'm able add new sessions to it even though I can't see them after.

[james_hardin]

I always set mine to UDF, No Bridge for CD or DVD's. Otherwise you are bringing along the Joliet restrictions with the burn.

Roxio went to this simplified Session burning procedure in V6 and it works without a hitch all the way through V9. I suspect there is nothing wrong with the burn or the disc but the burner itself.

I was just in another Topic where the user had a Pioneer drive and a search for firmware yielded a high number of user problems with reads…

What model do you have?

[KRSELBY]

james_hardin, on Dec 16 2006, 06:51 AM, said:

I always set mine to UDF, No Bridge for CD or DVD's. Otherwise you are bringing along the Joliet restrictions with the burn.

Roxio went to this simplified Session burning procedure in V6 and it works without a hitch all the way through V9. I suspect there is nothing wrong with the burn or the disc but the burner itself.

I was just in another Topic where the user had a Pioneer drive and a search for firmware yielded a high number of user problems with reads…

What model do you have?

Pioneer dvd-rw dvr110d firmware 1.41 updated from 1.37 It uses the same firmware as the r100. But I don't see how it can be the drive since I can load the appendable disc in EMC 8 and see all the session files and I can see the frist session files in windows explorer. It seems to be reading the files in EMC8 and since the drive is common to both EMC8 and windows explorer and I was having a reading problem would'nt I have trouble reading the frist session as well? I can live with the added files not showing up in classic source pane , my main concern is the added files not being viewable in windows esplorer. Also if I'm not using classic the only options for burning are ISO+Joliet, ISO+Joliet+UDF(106 characters) or Udf level2 (212 characters) ,in classic  I can choose UDF, Joliet or ISO but no combinations. It is like windows will not read the amended TOC

Edited by KRSELBY, 16 December 2006 - 09:46 AM.

[james_hardin]

Why don't you try what I suggested?

Open Classic and import previous sessions. – Do Not copy the files into the project! You must use Import!

Set the File System to UDF, No Bridge.

Burn the disc with Finalize Session do not Finalize Disc.

[KRSELBY]

james_hardin, on Dec 17 2006, 03:45 AM, said:

Why don't you try what I suggested?

Open Classic and import previous sessions. – Do Not copy the files into the project! You must use Import!

Set the File System to UDF, No Bridge.

Burn the disc with Finalize Session do not Finalize Disc.

Ok I did exactly what you sugested . Started with a new Sony DVD+R disc burned the frist batch of files using classic. Loaded disc , selected UDF, No bridge, made sure my burn speed on my drive matched the compatibility of the disc. burnt the disc,did not finalize. The disc ejected after verification.Shut down EMC 8. Reinserted disc ,waited for windows to read disc,opened disc and all the files were there. Restarted EMC 8 ,opened classic, imported the just burned disc to the project pane , added new files ,making sure my settings were exactly the same as the frist session, burned the next session. They burned alright Except now when it tyies to vevify it give me an error 0x00000009, which I don't seem to remember get be fore updating the firmware. Now when I go to view the tracks they are visable in the source pane ,but not the added files , although the added files  are visable in the project pane when I import the disc I tryed searching for the error code in the knowledge base ,but don't seem to be able to find it.

[james_hardin]

I haven't had much luck with searching for some of those code number either…

I don't recall ever seeing the make/model of your burner and the current firmware installed??? Use the Disc and Device Utility to gather this info. It could be a firmware issue.

Also you can even use CD-RW media for testing with as long as the files fit. I hate to see you wasting R media on this!

[KRSELBY]

james_hardin, on Dec 18 2006, 01:27 PM, said:

I haven't had much luck with searching for some of those code number either…

I don't recall ever seeing the make/model of your burner and the current firmware installed??? Use the Disc and Device Utility to gather this info. It could be a firmware issue.

Also you can even use CD-RW media for testing with as long as the files fit. I hate to see you wasting R media on this!

If you go to the Pioneer website and look for model R100 and use that firmeare. R110d is'nt listed except in a document where it shows R100,R610 and R110D  as the same family of drives. If you download the R100 firmware and then install it will actually wants to create a file file called C:\DVR110D\FW141EU, where the FW141EU is the firmware version. Also in the Faqs section it shows Faqs for R100,R610 and R110 as one family. I also ghecked my supported media for R100,R610 and R110 and it is listed.
  I'll try a CR_RW as long as the software does not detect it as a RW and use Packet writing? I think it would only use packet writing if I was using Drag to Disc right? Otherwise it uses DLP?

Edited by KRSELBY, 19 December 2006 - 06:18 AM.

[gi7omy]

KRSELBY, on Dec 19 2006, 06:03 AM, said:

I'll try a CR_RW as long as the software does not detect it as a RW and use Packet writing? I think it would only use packet writing if I was using Drag to Disc right? Otherwise it uses DLP?

So long as you don't format the CD-RW, the program will not use D2D - that requires the CD to be formatted in order to make it accessible for D2D use

Anyway - D2D is about one of the most unreliable back-up systems going (along with InCD or similar) - a good way to lose data

[KRSELBY]

gi7omy, on Dec 19 2006, 06:53 AM, said:

So long as you don't format the CD-RW, the program will not use D2D - that requires the CD to be formatted in order to make it accessible for D2D use

Anyway - D2D is about one of the most unreliable back-up systems going (along with InCD or similar) - a good way to lose data

I found the pioneer drive model, had to call Pioneer to do it, it is listed under buisness dvd. The firmware is the same as the R100 model, but I down loaded it anyway and installed. Then I took both a fully erased and formated cd-rw and a brand new cd-rw that i did not format (though they usally come preformatted) and tried to burn multiple session on it using classic . Same results for both. Can't read any files except for the frist session. The error code I was getting has something to do with the verification process. I don't seem to be able to verify any sessions but the frist and I did even get a fault once when verifing  on the frist session using a fully erased and formatted disc("could mount the disc for verification"), but was able toverify with the brand new disc (only the frist session, the second session gave me a 0x00000009 error).But still when I load a amendable disc in I do get a popup that asks me if I what to load the disc ,which I do and all the files are there. But not in the source pane , only the tracks are there not the files. The track info is correct and shows that there is info on that track

[gi7omy]

CDs are NEVER 'pre-formatted'

You ONLY format a CD or DVD if you intend to use it for packet writing - for anything else, an erased disc or a clean CD-R straight of the spindle is used

Unless you intend using packet writing - do NOT format any optical media

[KRSELBY]

gi7omy, on Dec 19 2006, 02:13 PM, said:

CDs are NEVER 'pre-formatted'

You ONLY format a CD or DVD if you intend to use it for packet writing - for anything else, an erased disc or a clean CD-R straight of the spindle is used

Unless you intend using packet writing - do NOT format any optical media

As I wrote I tried both , formatted and a new striaght from the spindle , with the same results.
But I did have some sucess ,after a fashion, By using Joliet only ,no bridge. I had todump the old dvd+r and start all over ,record the frist session in joliet,verify and eject the disc. Reisert the disc, start a new session and rcord the next session in joliet,verify (no problems). It seems that my (OS?) doesn't like UDF. Maybe a corrupt UDF.sys file ,I don't know. Possably the burner but I don't think so. I have a email into mircsoft , maybe they have some clue as to whats going on, I have found some articals with similar priblem but not exactly the same.
    Thanks to James and gi7omy  for tring to help me out

Edited by KRSELBY, 21 December 2006 - 09:21 AM.

[lynn98109]

As regards CD-RW, I see you have Basic False Anology - since one first formats a floppy befor eusing it, therefore one first formats a CD-RW before using it.  That completly confuses what a CD-RW is, and greatly improves the probability of permantly losing data.

I think you overlooked this post pinned to to the top of the Forum -
http://forums.suppor...showtopic=12383

CD-RW is useful for testing, or for moving files where the original file is safely on the original computer.  It is NOT "like a floppy".

Lynn