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[fhendo]

I have just finished creating a Christmas video using 8mm home movies, VHS,8mm video,VHS-C video featuring family Christmases going back to 1953. The bulk of this was based on a VHS tape I created in the late '80s and kept updating each year until 1995. Each year we'd all sit and watch on Xmas eve, but it eventually got a little long. I kept videoing at Xmas but did not update the family Xmas video again until now.  I also created a 5 minute cinemagic music video to go along with the feature video--now 2 hours long. Once done I created menus in My DVD and saved as an image file. The image file plays beautifully on my computer, but will not let me burn to a DVD. In My DVD while burning the image file, I indicated it was to go to 8.5 MB DVD+DL disc. No problem until I tried to copy to disc. When I tried to burn the image file in Disc Copier, I got a "This disc is incompatible with the source disc" message. The "source" disc being the image file. I tried another tack. I tried to copy the source disc using the "emulated" DVD drive that Roxio EMC 9 has for playing image files. Thus I tried a simple copy the disc in "L" drive(the "emulated" drive) to my J drive which is a DL drive. In this case the program immediately shuts down without any error message. I have done a tremendous amount of work, and hope to make gift dvds for my family so I hope someone can help me.

I have not yet tried to burn directly to disc, preferring the image file approach because it has always been more reliable in the past. Also, burning diectly to disc involves another 3+ hour rendering project, which I will have to do for every copy since I only have one DL drive. Also, I have burned to DL discs before , but with EMC8, not 9. The DL media is Memorex, which I've heard criticized on these boards, but which like I said I used successfully in EMC8. HELP!!!

[fhendo]

fhendo, on Dec 18 2006, 01:41 PM, said:

I have just finished creating a Christmas video using 8mm home movies, VHS,8mm video,VHS-C video featuring family Christmases going back to 1953. The bulk of this was based on a VHS tape I created in the late '80s and kept updating each year until 1995. Each year we'd all sit and watch on Xmas eve, but it eventually got a little long. I kept videoing at Xmas but did not update the family Xmas video again until now.  I also created a 5 minute cinemagic music video to go along with the feature video--now 2 hours long. Once done I created menus in My DVD and saved as an image file. The image file plays beautifully on my computer, but will not let me burn to a DVD. In My DVD while burning the image file, I indicated it was to go to 8.5 MB DVD+DL disc. No problem until I tried to copy to disc. When I tried to burn the image file in Disc Copier, I got a "This disc is incompatible with the source disc" message. The "source" disc being the image file. I tried another tack. I tried to copy the source disc using the "emulated" DVD drive that Roxio EMC 9 has for playing image files. Thus I tried a simple copy the disc in "L" drive(the "emulated" drive) to my J drive which is a DL drive. In this case the program immediately shuts down without any error message. I have done a tremendous amount of work, and hope to make gift dvds for my family so I hope someone can help me.

I have not yet tried to burn directly to disc, preferring the image file approach because it has always been more reliable in the past. Also, burning diectly to disc involves another 3+ hour rendering project, which I will have to do for every copy since I only have one DL drive. Also, I have burned to DL discs before , but with EMC8, not 9. The DL media is Memorex, which I've heard criticized on these boards, but which like I said I used successfully in EMC8. HELP!!!

One more thing--I also burned a lower quality Image file that would fit on a standard DVD (as opposed to DL). I wanted to see the quality difference when I played each DVD on my 46" TV. (There is a noticeable difference when viewing on the computer). That is in the process of burning--so far without issues. So it now looks like I will be able to at least burn the lesser quality version--but why do I have to give up the quality? The DL version should work.

[Beerman]

What's the final size of the ISO?  I know Disc Copier shrinks to fit fine for 4.3gb dvd's but I've never tried to fit more than 8.5 on a DL.  The most I've burned to a DL is 7.9gb.  I wonder if the file is over size.

[malatekid]

... or could the culprit be the 2 hour limitation (ok, some says 1 hour and 57 minutes) and using a disc image file? If that's the problem, the underlying advise in the post below was to create a dvd-video folder.
PS: I haven't tried this approach of more than 2-hours on a DL disk. If you decide to try this (> 2 hr project on a dvd-video folder and burn to DL disc), please share with us the outcome. Good luck!

http://forums.suppor...?...ost&p=74112

Edited by malatekid, 18 December 2006 - 02:24 PM.

[fhendo]

Beerman, on Dec 18 2006, 02:14 PM, said:

What's the final size of the ISO?  I know Disc Copier shrinks to fit fine for 4.3gb dvd's but I've never tried to fit more than 8.5 on a DL.  The most I've burned to a DL is 7.9gb.  I wonder if the file is over size.

Actually, that is another interesting point. The DL image file is 6.3MB. But here is what else puzzles me. If I use the "fit to disc option" (in order to max quality, I get a file size that is "just" too large for even the DL disc. It runs over by a minute and 1/2 and My DVD will not let me burn it even to image file. However if I select the "SP" option I get a  6.3 megabyte file, which is the one I cannot burn to disc. (I believe that previous editions burned any size image file and "fit" it to the DVD). If I further reduce the qualty to EP I get a 4.4MB file which I have now successfully burned to a standard Sony +RW DVD. In EMC 7 and 8 "Fit to disc" gave me the best possible quality for the disc I was using. In this case, I felt like I was being forced to leave some quality "on the table" because EMC9 would not fit it to the disc, but instead forced me to go to SP, rather than some intermediate position between SP and HQ. That is not my main problem however--the inabilty to burn the 6.3MB file to disc is.

[fhendo]

malatekid, on Dec 18 2006, 02:23 PM, said:

... or could the culprit be the 2 hour limitation (ok, some says 1 hour and 57 minutes) and using a disc image file? If that's the problem, the underlying advise in the post below was to create a dvd-video folder.
PS: I haven't tried this approach of more than 2-hours on a DL disk. If you decide to try this (> 2 hr project on a dvd-video folder and burn to DL disc), please share with us the outcome. Good luck!

http://forums.suppor...?...ost&p=74112

That is what I am attempting to do--burn a video that is slightly longer than 2 hours to a DL disc. It burns fine (albeit at lower quality) to a standard disc.

[malatekid]

fhendo, on Dec 18 2006, 05:43 PM, said:

That is what I am attempting to do--burn a video that is slightly longer than 2 hours to a DL disc. It burns fine (albeit at lower quality) to a standard disc.

This is from an image file (ISO file)?

[fhendo]

malatekid, on Dec 18 2006, 02:51 PM, said:

This is from an image file (ISO file)?

Yes--I have done this many times without problem--but this time I cannot burn to the DL disc. Like I said I created two ISO files in order to gauge the quality difference--The smaller one is EP and 4.3 MB. The larger SP and 6.3 MB. I guess I'll try a different brand DVD--but I have used the ones I have now successfully in EMC 8.

[Beerman]

fhendo, on Dec 18 2006, 04:31 PM, said:

Actually, that is another interesting point. The DL image file is 6.3MB. But here is what else puzzles me. If I use the "fit to disc option" (in order to max quality, I get a file size that is "just" too large for even the DL disc. It runs over by a minute and 1/2 and My DVD will not let me burn it even to image file. However if I select the "SP" option I get a  6.3 megabyte file, which is the one I cannot burn to disc. (I believe that previous editions burned any size image file and "fit" it to the DVD). If I further reduce the qualty to EP I get a 4.4MB file which I have now successfully burned to a standard Sony +RW DVD. In EMC 7 and 8 "Fit to disc" gave me the best possible quality for the disc I was using. In this case, I felt like I was being forced to leave some quality "on the table" because EMC9 would not fit it to the disc, but instead forced me to go to SP, rather than some intermediate position between SP and HQ. That is not my main problem however--the inabilty to burn the 6.3MB file to disc is.

It's obviously not working right for you but I never use the 'fit to disc' option.  I always use the best quality option no matter what the final size is and let Disc Copier shrink to fit.  Always comes out between very good and great, depending on the size.  
This still feels like a firmware problem to me.  I'm out of DL's now and won't be going anywhere near the stores until after Christmas but when I get the chance, I'm going to try this out.  Doesn't help you now I know but I'm at a loss at what else to suggest.  Sorry.

[fhendo]

Beerman, on Dec 18 2006, 07:34 PM, said:

It's obviously not working right for you but I never use the 'fit to disc' option.  I always use the best quality option no matter what the final size is and let Disc Copier shrink to fit.  Always comes out between very good and great, depending on the size.  
This still feels like a firmware problem to me.  I'm out of DL's now and won't be going anywhere near the stores until after Christmas but when I get the chance, I'm going to try this out.  Doesn't help you now I know but I'm at a loss at what else to suggest.  Sorry.

Thinking maybe the problem was brand related (maybe EMC9 in my computer just does not like Memorex) I tried to burn my smaller image file to a non DL Memorex disc. That worked fine. So basically I have taken the same project, burned it to two different quality ISO files, but I can only burn the lesser quality image file to  disc.  Now I have bitten the bullet to see what happens if I burn the better quality file directly to the same Memorex DL disc that My DVD would not burn the image file to. So far it is working fine--though I am only 12% complete there is plenty of time for things to go wrong, BUT--the DL disc is not being rejected as media for a direct to the disc burn as it was for an ISO file burn. Go figure.

[Beerman]

<Fingers crossed>
In my area, Verbatim is about  the only brand (DL) that most carry.  I have some Memorex DVD RW's but other than those, I don't use Memorez.  Not even for cd's.  I've even found Office Depots cd's to be superior to Memorex.  Another go figure.

[fhendo]

Beerman, on Dec 18 2006, 08:05 PM, said:

<Fingers crossed>
In my area, Verbatim is about  the only brand (DL) that most carry.  I have some Memorex DVD RW's but other than those, I don't use Memorez.  Not even for cd's.  I've even found Office Depots cd's to be superior to Memorex.  Another go figure.

As of now my direct to disc burn is 62% complete--so far so good. I'll let you know tomorrow what happens.
Thanks to all who tried to help.

[grandpabruce]

fhendo, on Dec 18 2006, 11:16 PM, said:

As of now my direct to disc burn is 62% complete--so far so good. I'll let you know tomorrow what happens.
Thanks to all who tried to help.

I have a question, sort of unrelated.  You are saying that you burned an .iso file that was over 2 hours long, from MyDVD?  Have you checked that .iso file to see if your production was cut off at the 2 hour mark?

[fhendo]

grandpabruce, on Dec 19 2006, 05:56 AM, said:

I have a question, sort of unrelated.  You are saying that you burned an .iso file that was over 2 hours long, from MyDVD?  Have you checked that .iso file to see if your production was cut off at the 2 hour mark?

The ISO file is complete Bruce. I can play it in its entirety as an image file on my computer. Also I can now report that the my attempt to burn the same production to a DL disc directly--without burning an image file first- sort of worked. The catch is that the resulting DVD only plays on the drive in which it was burned. It will not play on either of my DVD players or in any of my other computer DVD drives. Not sure if Roxio DMSM and DMSD files are backward compatible, but I am going to reinstall EMC 8 later and see if I have better luck with that. May even try EMC 7, but can't remember if that is DL capable.

Also, the same exact production saved as a lower quality ISO file (but still over 2 hours) burns fine and plays on all of  my drives and dvd players. My problems come with the attemt to burn to DL media--which I never tried before now in EMC9, but had done sucessfully in EMC8 with other productions. That is tha first good thing I have had to say about 8.

Edited by fhendo, 19 December 2006 - 07:10 AM.

[grandpabruce]

fhendo, on Dec 19 2006, 09:04 AM, said:

The ISO file is complete Bruce. I can play it in its entirety as an image file on my computer. Also I can now report that the my attempt to burn the same production to a DL disc directly--without burning an image file first- sort of worked. The catch is that the resulting DVD only plays on the drive in which it was burned. It will not play on either of my DVD players or in any of my other computer DVD drives. Not sure if Roxio DMSM and DMSD files are backward compatible, but I am going to reinstall EMC 8 later and see if I have better luck with that. May even try EMC 7, but can't remember if that is DL capable.

Also, the same exact production saved as a lower quality ISO file (but still over 2 hours) burns fine and plays on all of  my drives and dvd players. My problems come with the attemt to burn to DL media--which I never tried before now in EMC9, but had done sucessfully in EMC8 with other productions. That is tha first good thing I have had to say about 8.

I am amazed that you have an .iso file that is over 2 hours long, that was created using MyDVD in EMC 9.  You are the only person that I know have that has done that.

All versions of Roxio EMC, from EMC 7.1 (7.1.1.189) can burn to a DL disc.  The stock version of EMC 7 can't burn to a DL disc.

BTW, your set top DVD player may not like DL discs, but I would think that your other computer DVD drives should read it okay.

[fhendo]

grandpabruce, on Dec 19 2006, 09:05 AM, said:

I am amazed that you have an .iso file that is over 2 hours long, that was created using MyDVD in EMC 9.  You are the only person that I know have that has done that.

All versions of Roxio EMC, from EMC 7.1 (7.1.1.189) can burn to a DL disc.  The stock version of EMC 7 can't burn to a DL disc.

BTW, your set top DVD player may not like DL discs, but I would think that your other computer DVD drives should read it okay.

The DL project I created previously (in EMC8) played fine on my set top DVD players, but did not play in all of my DVD computer drives. That one played in one other drive than the one I burned it on. The one I did in 9 plays nowhere but in the drive that I used to burn it. I am going to reinstall 8 and see if it burns these files. When I started this thread, I was worried that I was not going to be able to burn to disc a project I had worked on for months. Now, since I know I can burn the EP version, I am merely looking for optimum picture quality. That seems to be another difference with 9--there is no "best quality" option. The choices are "Fit to disc," which I would think would provide the highest possible quality for the disc being used, but which I found does not even actually fit the project to the disc. If I select "fit to disc" with the image file that I created for the DL disc, it tells me that the project is over by 1 min 50 seconds--and it will not burn it. The  best quality option is is High Quality, which is too large for a DL DVD(again with my project) followed by SP--which leaves 40 minutes worth remaining on my DL DVD--why does My DVD not provide the best quality option between SP and the limit imposed by the disc? The next option down is LP which will fit (for my project) on a standard disc (SP will not), and finally ELP the lowest quality. But as far as I can see there is no just get the best quality burn between any of those options. No SP and a half so to speak. It is either SP or HQ. Fit to Disc should be that in between option--but it is not.