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[SGDV]

I thought everyone might benefit from my experience with my first full project in DVDITPROHD.
This was a 1080i project created from a 1920x1080 preset.

After the encoding settings were finally ironed out, I found a couple of other issues with which I had to deal.

1. On the menu panel for placement of buttons on the menu:
I don't know if this was caused by a motion menu or not, but after rendering the menu the button placement
changed position on the rendered screen.
My solution was to render and change the position in order to get it ligned up on the disc.
I hoped that it was within the program and not doing something squirly with the video card.
So what you see is not necessarily what you get. I would be interested in hearing if anyone else has had
this issue.

2. I had a total of 4 motion menus and 5 videos totaling 18gbs and 1hr and 20minutes of running time.
    I would loose render on at least one of the menus after doing something to a
    completely different menu.
I have a suggestion here: How about a drop down menu that says "render all menus" or "render project", and "render this menu."
Having to render each motion menu  one at a time, just is a pain.
3. At times, probably due to the size of this project, the program became very sluggish. I would save and
    restart to regain responsiveness. Don't even think that the computer is doing it.

    I have: Core 2 2.93 extreme OC'd to 3.08, 4gigs of DDR2 6400 ram, 3 raids---1 doing over 200mb/s(1.4tb)
    and the others well over 100mb/s, and a Quadro FX1500 qraphics adapter.  That is the core of the
    system.
4. As Scott stated in a previous post, making available the proper settings to create a compliant file for the
   program is just not going to happen, at least from Roxio . When I get time, I will post a screen shot
   of the Procoder Express settings that I used to create the disc.
5. Is there an autosave function within this program? This would be most helpful. All of my other
    editing and graphics programs feature an autosave of one form or another.
6. Also, the addition of VC-1 support would be helpful in the future...as well has java menu support.

I am going to take the disc to one of the boys in town, i.e. Best Buys, Circuit City or Sound Advice.
I am curious as to which units can play this thing and which ones can't.

Maybe this can help some of you, maybe not. This was not posted to make complaints, just to describe some of the issues that I had. You may not experience any of these issues. But, I thought I would
post them.

Jerry
Six Gill Digital Video
Orlando, FLorida

[shueardm]

Thanks for this info Jerry.

The interetsting things you mention are.
1. The menus needed rendering? Didn't you make compliant clips for the menus?
2. The menu highlight/button misalignment might just be your playback software- I recall early DVD playback software like WinDVD doing exactly the same thing- played on hardware player was ok.
3. Your system specs do seem pretty good but i have had 0 stability problems or responsiveness issues, it works like a charm for me. I do have Dual Woodcrest system though and of course FBDIMM ECC RAM, maybe it's the error checking thta helps.
4. I doubt this product will get Java support soon, I'd prefer they look at H.264 support as soon a s possible.
Mark

[SS Scott]

Hey Jerry,

Thanks for the feedback.  Panasonic BD player is the most reliable for playback.  Unmodified Samsung will work nicely as well, though the stores may have a floor model that has been firmware upgraded.  I also hear that the Pioneer BD player works with BDMV on BD-R.

I do have a few questions from your posting:

1) how much did the menu buttons shift?  What kind of video was used for the background?  When you render in simulation, it may render at DVD size...since the program only knows you are going out to HD at the burn stage.  You may actually find that it is WYSIWIG to the compositor in your final BD output.

2) we'll try to work on that for a future rev.

3) we'll try to improve that performance in a future rev.

4) Think the community here will be able to provide settings for all of the encoders out there better than we can.

5) noted for a future feature

6) noted for a future feature

[SGDV]

shueardm, on Dec 31 2006, 03:49 PM, said:

Thanks for this info Jerry.

The interetsting things you mention are.
1. The menus needed rendering? Didn't you make compliant clips for the menus?
2. The menu highlight/button misalignment might just be your playback software- I recall early DVD playback software like WinDVD doing exactly the same thing- played on hardware player was ok.
3. Your system specs do seem pretty good but i have had 0 stability problems or responsiveness issues, it works like a charm for me. I do have Dual Woodcrest system though and of course FBDIMM ECC RAM, maybe it's the error checking thta helps.
4. I doubt this product will get Java support soon, I'd prefer they look at H.264 support as soon a s possible.
Mark

Mark,
1. All the motion menus HAVE to be rendered, even though the videos were compliant.
    This means the motion backgrounds were created with the same settings as the program.
    I use Encore all of the time. All motion menus have to be rendered for the dvd to build.
This is a given. Its the way you have to render them in DVDIT that is a pain.
I had 3 menu panels with 6 video buttons each for scene selection. These were animated as well.
I have to admit that I threw quite a bit into the motion menu segments.

For Scott and Mark,
2. The menu button and highlight were positioned on the motion menu. I had to render the motion menu
    after each time that I moved a button or even change a link. After about the 3rd time of rendering, I noticed that the
    button and the highlight had shifted below the position that I had placed it.  This is playing back in the
    DVDITPROHD simulation  utility.  Yet, it was still in the same postiion as before in the creation      menu.
    So, I moved it to match the rendered look. After doing that, the final burn looked fine. In other words
    in order to get what I needed, I had to position it  differently in the menu panel than what the final disc showed.    
    The highlight wasn't seperated from the button at any time.
    I hope that explains it a little better.

3. I have to guess that the size off the project has something to do with the responsiveness.
    Mark, how large have your projects been?
Thanks.

Jerry

[shueardm]

Not having my burner yet I haven't done more than a couple. One was small and one was around 19GB.
I rarely do motion menus anymore, I prefer stills and so I haven't tried a motion menu with this app.

Edited by shueardm, 31 December 2006 - 06:28 PM.

[SGDV]

shueardm, on Dec 31 2006, 06:27 PM, said:

Not having my burner yet I haven't done more than a couple. One was small and one was around 19GB.
I rarely do motion menus anymore, I prefer stills and so I haven't tried a motion menu with this app.

Mark,
I had motion first play to menu.... to menu with buttons.
When clicking the buttons the menu would confetti or starfilter out to the prescribed movie.
Those things worked fine, except for loosing link twice during the creation process.
Still haven't tried it yet.
Jerry