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[xfryx]

When I burn a CD I get only Track 01, Track 02, etc. instead of the song titles on the CD.  Label Creator shows full names and artists.  Selecting "Disk at once" and "Write CD TEXT' (article EE6000025) does not do the trick.  Thanks for any help.

[lynn98109]

xfryx, on Jan 26 2006, 09:23 PM, said:

When I burn a CD I get only Track 01, Track 02, etc. instead of the song titles on the CD.  Label Creator shows full names and artists.  Selecting "Disk at once" and "Write CD TEXT' (article EE6000025) does not do the trick.  Thanks for any help.

(1) You are going to have to fill in the data manually.  I'd suggest if you want the tracks to come up in other than alphabetical order, you use names like
01.trackname
02.trackname
03.trackname
asuming you have 100 or fewer tracks.

(2) this was originally written by Digital Guru D-DeweyWright:

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Audio CD History 101:

Unfortunately, your expectations are a little high, so it must be time for: CD History 101

Back when CDs were first created, around 1980, the Red Book specifications were the only thing around, which defined Audio CDs. The only CD players were standalone players, which played these discs which used 44.1Ksps (samples per second) 16 bit samples, and two channels (stereo). Music data was delivered at 150KBps (1X). That was it. There was no such thing as a CD-ROM (Data) CD, nor anything to read it. (The original IBM PC didn't come out till 1981.) The concept of CD-Text wasn't even a flicker in someone's disturbed mind.

After the PC came out, the diskette was the removable media of choice, first 5.25", then 3.5" as files and programs got bigger. A larger removable media format was needed, and the CD-ROM Data specification (Orange Book) was defined. But still the concept of compressed audio didn't exist. If you wanted to compress your audio, you had to reduce the sample size, or reduce the sample rate, significantly reducing the quality.

Along came file sharing, and then, a means of compressing/encoding audio to not lose so much information came along. Now that people weren't necessarily dealing with a whole CD/Albums worth of songs, a way of "tagging" files to include the artist, title and track information for each song was invented.

But back to Audio CDs. Someone found a few extra bits and bytes where track, title and artist information could be held too, but only one title and artist. It was called, CD-Text.

So, there simply isn't any specification nor space for all the MP3 tag information on a "Standard" Audio CD like you want. You can make a data CD full of .MP3 files and keep all your tag information, but not an Audio CD, playable on any CD player. The Audio CD format simply wasn't designed, 25 years ago, with that in mind.

Thus endeth the sermon.
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Lynn

[xfryx]

lynn98109, on Jan 27 2006, 04:14 AM, said:

(1) You are going to have to fill in the data manually.  I'd suggest if you want the tracks to come up in other than alphabetical order, you use names like
01.trackname
02.trackname
03.trackname
asuming you have 100 or fewer tracks.

(2) this was originally written by Digital Guru D-DeweyWright:

================================
Audio CD History 101:

Unfortunately, your expectations are a little high, so it must be time for: CD History 101

Back when CDs were first created, around 1980, the Red Book specifications were the only thing around, which defined Audio CDs. The only CD players were standalone players, which played these discs which used 44.1Ksps (samples per second) 16 bit samples, and two channels (stereo). Music data was delivered at 150KBps (1X). That was it. There was no such thing as a CD-ROM (Data) CD, nor anything to read it. (The original IBM PC didn't come out till 1981.) The concept of CD-Text wasn't even a flicker in someone's disturbed mind.

After the PC came out, the diskette was the removable media of choice, first 5.25", then 3.5" as files and programs got bigger. A larger removable media format was needed, and the CD-ROM Data specification (Orange Book) was defined. But still the concept of compressed audio didn't exist. If you wanted to compress your audio, you had to reduce the sample size, or reduce the sample rate, significantly reducing the quality.

Along came file sharing, and then, a means of compressing/encoding audio to not lose so much information came along. Now that people weren't necessarily dealing with a whole CD/Albums worth of songs, a way of "tagging" files to include the artist, title and track information for each song was invented.

But back to Audio CDs. Someone found a few extra bits and bytes where track, title and artist information could be held too, but only one title and artist. It was called, CD-Text.

So, there simply isn't any specification nor space for all the MP3 tag information on a "Standard" Audio CD like you want. You can make a data CD full of .MP3 files and keep all your tag information, but not an Audio CD, playable on any CD player. The Audio CD format simply wasn't designed, 25 years ago, with that in mind.

Thus endeth the sermon.
=======================

Lynn

Lynn,
Thank you for your response and for CD history 101.

The reason I queried this problem was, my recollection (although perhaps somewhat foggy) is that at one time I was able to burn a CD (playable in automobile CD players) that when inserted in my burner and read in Windows Explorer would actually show the artist, song and file size (generally in the range of 1.5 to 7.5 Megs).  This may be in my fantasy or perhaps was generated by a program other than Roxio's,  although I have pretty well settled on Roxio as most compatible with my needs.

Maybe I need CD History 201.  Maybe I failed to describe my concern adequately.  I have music files in a directory on my hard drive and the details of the file shows artist, title, size.  When I burn a selection to a disk I would like to carry this information to the disk.

Once I have burned the CD and the tracks show, I don't think I can rename the tracks (Are they not "read-only/).

I hope this doesn't sound too stupid.  Maybe I am a bit dense.

Thanks again Lynn
for your help,

Jim

Edited by lynn98109, 28 January 2006 - 04:29 AM.

[james_hardin]

You should be using Classic and setting it for Music CD Project before you start.

Is that what you did?

What are the source files you are using for this?

Do they appear with all the information in the Source pane or just Track 1, etc.?

[lynn98109]

xfryx, on Jan 27 2006, 07:54 PM, said:

Lynn,
Thank you for your response and for CD history 101.

The reason I queried this problem was, my recollection (although perhaps somewhat foggy) is that at one time I was able to burn a CD (playable in automobile CD players) that when inserted in my burner and read in Windows Explorer would actually show the artist, song and file size (generally in the range of 1.5 to 7.5 Megs).  This may be in my fantasy or perhaps was generated by a program other than Roxio's,  although I have pretty well settled on Roxio as most compatible with my needs.

Maybe I need CD History 201.  Maybe I failed to describe my concern adequately.  I have music files in a directory on my hard drive and the details of the file shows artist, title, size.  When I burn a selection to a disk I would like to carry this information to the disk.

Once I have burned the CD and the tracks show, I don't think I can rename the tracks (Are they not "read-only/).

I hope this doesn't sound too stupid.  Maybe I am a bit dense.

Thanks again Lynn
for your help,

Jim

If your player can't read the informtion, it won't show, whether it is there or not.

Lynn

[xfryx]

james_hardin, on Jan 28 2006, 03:37 AM, said:

You should be using Classic and setting it for Music CD Project before you start.

Is that what you did?

What are the source files you are using for this?

Do they appear with all the information in the Source pane or just Track 1, etc.?

James_hardin

I do use Classic and Music CD project.

The source files are MP3. They appear in the source pane in this format:

"George Sonatra - Our Way         3,124 KB     mp3 file".

When I drag them to the project, they appear as:

"George Sonatra - Our Way              03:23:15".

The disk cover prints as:

"1. George Sonatra - Our Way            03:23:15"

The burned CD (when viewed in Window's Explorer) reads as:

"Track01             1KB  CD Audio track   12/31/94  07:00PM"


Any clearer???

Thank's for your interest and any suggestion you may have.

[xfryx]

James Hardin

I didn't intend to cut off communications with my last response.  I do appreciate your response and queries.   I didn't mean to be flip in trying to describe the information as it appears in my source file, the project file, as they print on disk cover and as they appear on the burned disk when viewed in Window's Explorer.

Am I missing something or is it an impossible task?

Thanks again for any help.

[lynn98109]

xfryx, on Feb 1 2006, 01:15 PM, said:

James Hardin

I didn't intend to cut off communications with my last response.  I do appreciate your response and queries.   I didn't mean to be flip in trying to describe the information as it appears in my source file, the project file, as they print on disk cover and as they appear on the burned disk when viewed in Window's Explorer.

Am I missing something or is it an impossible task?

Thanks again for any help.

Re-read Audio CD History 101.  You want progress to be retroactive, and that's not the way it works.

You can manually name the tracks before they are burned, and if your player device can read the track names it will read it, but the rest of it isn't going to be there on an audio CD.

Lynn