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#1 gi7omy

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Posted 10 January 2007 - 10:14 AM

Just when you thought it was safe to go back in the water

http://searchwindows...1224912,00.html

I ran the sysinternals scan - and found it flagged two entries in the registry:
HKLM\SECURITY\Policy\Secrets\SAC\*
HKLM\SECURITY\Policy\Secrets\SAI\*

Both showing 'keyname contains embedded nulls'(*)

I did a search on these and they seem to be harmless (they're part of the installed OS) but then, so's Alexa

How serious the threat is I don't know but it looks as if we're going to have to run an additional sweep (on top of A/V and Malware ones)
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Posted 10 January 2007 - 10:52 AM

I just picked up NAV2007 which is supposed to also detect and remove rootkits.  Hopefully it won't screw things up with false positives.  

I never had a need and always wondered about the FSecure Blacklight and passed when they warned it was a beta and might cause havoc.  Beta is a four letter word after all....I try to pass.  


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Posted 10 January 2007 - 02:56 PM

".... just picked up NAV2007 which....."

I am running NIS2006 on all my computers and there is only a couple of months left on a couple of the subscriptions for their updates. I have been thinking about buying the new NIS 2007, but have heard that it is a hog for resources, so I'm not sure. You're running just Norton Antivirus, so does just running  the anti virus program alone keep all the other malware, spam etc. out of your computer ??

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Posted 10 January 2007 - 03:19 PM

View PostREDWAGON, on Jan 10 2007, 10:56 PM, said:

".... just picked up NAV2007 which....."

I am running NIS2006 on all my computers and there is only a couple of months left on a couple of the subscriptions for their updates. I have been thinking about buying the new NIS 2007, but have heard that it is a hog for resources, so I'm not sure. You're running just Norton Antivirus, so does just running  the anti virus program alone keep all the other malware, spam etc. out of your computer ??

Frank...

I have "heard" Norton is hog for resources for years. Never had a problem. Currently running NIS2007.
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Posted 10 January 2007 - 03:23 PM

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Posted 10 January 2007 - 03:30 PM

View PostREDWAGON, on Jan 10 2007, 10:56 PM, said:

".... just picked up NAV2007 which....."

I am running NIS2006 on all my computers and there is only a couple of months left on a couple of the subscriptions for their updates. I have been thinking about buying the new NIS 2007, but have heard that it is a hog for resources, so I'm not sure. You're running just Norton Antivirus, so does just running  the anti virus program alone keep all the other malware, spam etc. out of your computer ??

Frank...
The anti virus alone doesn't cover malware,spam etc.
I recently ditched Norton AV and installed AVG Anti Malware. Check it out along with alternatives to all Norton products at  
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Posted 10 January 2007 - 03:32 PM

Currently I'm running Symantec Corporate A/V, Adaware and Spybot and now also Sophos rootkit (three dedicated programs that have their own function and each do it well)
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Posted 10 January 2007 - 03:36 PM

I could tell on mine...  I got rid of Norton's when my subscription ran out. Boots much faster.  Some applications launch faster, too.  At the moment, I'm running AVG free 7.5 and MS Defender.

There are also certain 'risky' activities like staying away from websites that are real popular by teens and tweens. A haven for spyware and pop ups. I NEVER open attachments from anyone I don't know.
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Posted 10 January 2007 - 03:41 PM

View Postcdanteek, on Jan 10 2007, 11:23 PM, said:

Not to be critical Marlin, but how could you tell on your rig!

cd

I haven't always had this rig, I have run Norton on and 1.0ghz up to 3.6ghz. Only in the past couple of years have I come down with upgrade mania.  :)  And you know I do enjoy it so.

Also, I just ran Sysinternals newest Rookit Revealer myself. Came up with the exact same messages, plus a couple for Symantec due to hiding files from the API. When I looked at the registry entry they mentioned. There is nothing there. It is empty under HKLM\Security. I am wondering if they are flagging it because it is empty?
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Posted 10 January 2007 - 04:08 PM

"You're running just Norton Antivirus, so does just running the anti virus program alone keep all the other malware, spam etc. out of your computer ??"

I am well aware of what NIS takes care of, so I guess I should have asked my question a little better. What I was suggesting was if one just runs an anti-virus program alone without any other security type programs, then they must be pretty lucky to not have all the other malware, spam, spybot etc. stuff coming at you. So far my NIS2006 is taking very good care of my computer. The only thing that I really don't like is that there are many options that you must set manually to keep some of the attacks from getting on your computer. One good example is spam.

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Posted 10 January 2007 - 06:14 PM

View PostREDWAGON, on Jan 11 2007, 12:08 AM, said:

" One good example is spam.

Frank...

For that sucker I run Mailwasher - and bounce the spam right back and also report them to spamcop.
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Posted 10 January 2007 - 06:49 PM

View PostREDWAGON, on Jan 10 2007, 05:56 PM, said:

".... just picked up NAV2007 which....."

I am running NIS2006 on all my computers and there is only a couple of months left on a couple of the subscriptions for their updates. I have been thinking about buying the new NIS 2007, but have heard that it is a hog for resources, so I'm not sure. You're running just Norton Antivirus, so does just running the anti virus program alone keep all the other malware, spam etc. out of your computer ??

Frank...


Well, it comes down to me being chickensh*t about the computer and the various innerds.  
I've just been running NAV for so long (latest 2006, about to change to 2007), that I'm actually afraid to uninstall it.  I know, there's even a tool provided by Norton but I just don't need anything broke right now as
I'm in the middle of too many things.  
I considered FSecure but I don't know anyone running it and I don't feel like testing it out.
But yes, NAV does hog a system down.  It is supposed to keep out spyware and the like (not spam) but I run Spysweeper along side it anyway, but I might stop though cause in two years of using it, all I've blocked are some ads and "tracking cookies"....big whoop.  Maybe I should knock on wood.

On the plus side, I find that if and when it's really necessary to get every bit of resourse, Norton can be shut down pretty well.  I actually find Spysweeper pretty intrusive.  Maybe I'll try the Adaware realtime version...

As a side note though, I don't understand why Norton wants to charge me $40 to renew my subscription for 2006, when I bought 2007 for $15 (after rebates and discount).  Seems like a waste.
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Posted 10 January 2007 - 06:51 PM

View Postgi7omy, on Jan 11 2007, 03:14 PM, said:

For that sucker I run Mailwasher - and bounce the spam right back and also report them to spamcop.

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Posted 10 January 2007 - 07:00 PM

View Postvid2man97, on Jan 10 2007, 06:49 PM, said:

As a side note though, I don't understand why Norton wants to charge me $40 to renew my subscription for 2006, when I bought 2007 for $15 (after rebates and discount).  Seems like a waste.
I think the assumption is if you try it, you'll keep it.

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Posted 10 January 2007 - 07:06 PM

View Postgi7omy, on Jan 10 2007, 08:14 PM, said:

For that sucker I run Mailwasher - and bounce the spam right back and also report them to spamcop.

I have used Mailwasher for years.  Best spam bouncing software that I have seen.
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Posted 10 January 2007 - 08:04 PM

Neil, Bruce and Daithi, you talked me into it. I'll have to give "mailwasher" a try, as I'm really not that fond of how NIS2006 takes care of my spam. :) My only thought is how much of the good guys does it catch also ?

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Posted 10 January 2007 - 08:13 PM

View PostREDWAGON, on Jan 10 2007, 10:04 PM, said:

Neil, Bruce and Daithi, you talked me into it. I'll have to give "mailwasher" a try, as I'm really not that fond of how NIS2006 takes care of my spam. :) My only thought is how much of the good guys does it catch also ?

Frank...

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Posted 10 January 2007 - 09:08 PM

So O.K. Bruce, but how does the program continue to work with my Norton NIS2006 and the "Outlook Express" where I get my e-mails now ?? I'm pretty much doing what you are suggesting with my NIS2006. When I get an e-mail I can click it and let Norton know that it is spam as far as Outlook express is concerned and then go into the NIS2006 program and add it to my spam blocked list.

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Posted 10 January 2007 - 10:46 PM

View Postgi7omy, on Jan 10 2007, 11:14 AM, said:

I ran the sysinternals scan - and found it flagged two entries in the registry:
HKLM\SECURITY\Policy\Secrets\SAC\*
HKLM\SECURITY\Policy\Secrets\SAI\*

Both showing 'keyname contains embedded nulls'(*)

I did a search on these and they seem to be harmless (they're part of the installed OS) but then, so's Alexa

At the risk of being ON topic, what OS has installed these two registry entries Dáithí ? You don't seem to name yours in your sig. Alexa isn't part of the OS, is it?

Were they flagged as parts of a rootkit, or is it just that the Sysinternals program didn't like the keynames?
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Posted 11 January 2007 - 03:09 AM

Registry entries on XP SP2 Brendon - they got flagged as having 'null' values. The free Sophos tool didn't flag them at all

And yep, Alexa gets installed along with IE6
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