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[sknis]

Try these steps; You may have to take some time to adjust to get it near perfect.

1) In VideoWave, add an image set the duration for about 10 seconds.
2) Right click to get to edit and then to go to pan and zoom. "Advanced"
3) Move the marker to about 5 seconds and adjust your pan and zoom and add a key frame.
4) Move the marker to the right but as close to the first key frame as possible so that the add key frame is active. I was able to get it to within .01 seconds or 1 frame. I don't know what that time line measures.
5) Add a second key frame. No need to adjust the pan and zoom.
6) Drag that first key frame that you added (at about 5 seconds) to the left to set the duration you want that image to display. Say to the 3 second mark. This will zoom and pan to the first key frame and then hold pretty steady for two seconds and then go on.
6) Fine tune it as you want. The closer you can add that second key frame to the first will be controlling.
7) Do the same thing to another point for another intermediate point and/or the end image.

This takes a steady eye and a good mouse. I'm not sure it will ever be perfect but it will be pretty good, fast and easy. Practice will get really close. If you think about the procedure above, you'll see why you add two points close together and then drag the first.

Feed back appreciated.

[Ronecol]

Thanks  

[FwFdfireman]

Nice post sknis. First time I read it......I thought, "I have no idea what he's talking about." That was only because I hadn't YET gotten into the Pan and Zoom.

I have now, and your post makes perfect sense. I have done some great effects with some of my photos with Pan and Zoom. Circular pan and zoom ins, the hunting for the shot effect, and what I call the "Wha-wha" effect. This was an In and Out In and Out many times on a great photo of my wife. (Minds out of the gutters boys!) After timing my sound track I was using for this little piece, LoneStar..."When You Walked In", it was almost chilling! LOL

I tried some experimenting with Overlays but haven't gotten very far with Overlays yet as time was limited.

I found having what I call a "Test" segment of slides I can do some great experimenting to figure out what does what, and your post on Pan and Zoom got me started. Thanks again.

Let me add that when adding a "Keyframe", once you have it added, using the wheel to move any keypoint around was much easier for me. Highlight the keypoint in the list box, and then use the wheel to move THAT keypoint where you want. Dragging seemed to be hit and miss for me.

Edited by FwFdfireman, 05 March 2007 - 06:34 AM.

[ggrussell]

SOunds like your next Video Tutorial, Steve.    Yes, FW that little 'wheel' comes in handy in many situations. I use it a lot in the TRIM CLIP box, too. Also keep your eye on the TIME readout. It can be very useful when trying to line-up overlays, audio, transitions, etc., in the Timeline mode.

Edited by ggrussell, 05 March 2007 - 06:47 AM.

[FwFdfireman]

SOunds like your next Video Tutorial, Steve.    Yes, FW that little 'wheel' comes in handy in many situations. I use it a lot in the TRIM CLIP box, too. Also keep your eye on the TIME readout. It can be very useful when trying to line-up overlays, audio, transitions, etc., in the Timeline mode.

Yup, "The Wheel" and noting "Time" is key in getting things just so.

Side note: Trimming a video clip is so much easier with Roxio than it was with Nero.

[jroc]

Nice post sknis. First time I read it......I thought, "I have no idea what he's talking about." That was only because I hadn't YET gotten into the Pan and Zoom.

I have now, and your post makes perfect sense. I have done some great effects with some of my photos with Pan and Zoom. Circular pan and zoom ins, the hunting for the shot effect, and what I call the "Wha-wha" effect. This was an In and Out In and Out many times on a great photo of my wife. (Minds out of the gutters boys!) After timing my sound track I was using for this little piece, LoneStar..."When You Walked In", it was almost chilling! LOL

I tried some experimenting with Overlays but haven't gotten very far with Overlays yet as time was limited.

I found having what I call a "Test" segment of slides I can do some great experimenting to figure out what does what, and your post on Pan and Zoom got me started. Thanks again.

Let me add that when adding a "Keyframe", once you have it added, using the wheel to move any keypoint around was much easier for me. Highlight the keypoint in the list box, and then use the wheel to move THAT keypoint where you want. Dragging seemed to be hit and miss for me.

Can you share how created circular pans and zooms, etc.?  I'd love to do something more with this feature than simply zoom in closer.

[steveoo]

Can you share how created circular pans and zooms, etc.?  I'd love to do something more with this feature than simply zoom in closer.

Yeah i would like to see them too!

thx

please share

[FwFdfireman]

Can you share how created circular pans and zooms, etc.?  I'd love to do something more with this feature than simply zoom in closer.

Sry it took me a bit to get back. Iwill try to explain the circular pan and zoom you can do. You can do just about anything you can imagine that has to do with panning and zooming with this nice little tool and create some nice effects-atmosphere for certain photos.

First off, you are just going to have to play with the pan and zoom to get it right. It's a keypoint thing and where to start zooming, when to stop, how long to hold the zoom etc.  You will know exactly what I am talking about if you have even tried the pan and zoom feature or will know the first time you try it.

Here is a tip! Duration the picture is displayed is key here. If you have the standard 5 sec display, your PZ is going to go rather fast isn't it. Plus, there isn't much room to be adding all the keypoints you are going to need for the more complicated PZ effects.  Drag or set the picture display out a bit. If I know I am going to be adding lots of keypoints, I set the picture I am working on to display for 10, 15 or 20 secs. This makes room for all those keypoints and it is just easier to edit the PZ that way. Once you have the effect you want, go back and reduce that pictures display time to get the correct speed at which you want the PZ effect to act.


You have to use the "Advanced" pan and zoom feature. Click on the picture you want to do the PZ to and then put a tick in the "Advanced" option.

Now you see a "Start" and "Finish" point. What you will be doing in essence is adding stops along the way from START to FINISH, and at each stop...specifying what you want at that stop.

Note= when moving a "keypoint", use the wheel. It is much simpler and actually moves both points.

Now, for the first stop. You have to drag the first point just off the start mark in order to add a keypoint. Add a keypoint by hitting "Add".  When that keypoint is selected, make sure it is highlighted in the box, move the wheel to set a place for the keypoint. Where right now is of minimal importance, somewhere a little after the Start mark.

Now specify how much zoom you want. The pan always centers, this is default. BUT...you can drag that RED box to whatever location you want AFTER you have zoomed in a bit and the red box is smaller. Maybe you want to start your circular PZ in the upper right corner somewhere. For that keypoint, set your amount of zoom and then move the RED box to that position. Are you getting the idea of .....just adding more keypoints, specify amount of zoom and position the BOX where you need it to be?? ( in a circular pattern or whatever pattern you want)

That's basically the trick to it. Like I said, playing with it is the only way to learn. Once you have all your keypoints set, or even along the way in the process, hit play and see if it is what you are after. If not, edit the keypoints you have created.


If you can get that, then next try the, what I call the "Wah Wah" effect. In and out repeatedly on a certain picture. That's a good one too. Or the "Hunting for the Face or Subject" PZ effect. That's a real nice one too.

Good luck and sure hope this info helps you out.

Edited by FwFdfireman, 02 April 2007 - 01:44 PM.

[sknis]

Sry it took me a bit to get back. Iwill try to explain the circular pan and zoom you can do. You can do just about anything you can imagine that has to do with panning and zooming with this nice little tool and create some nice effects-atmosphere for certain photos.

First off, you are just going to have to play with the pan and zoom to get it right. It's a keypoint thing and where to start zooming, when to stop, how long to hold the zoom etc. You will know exactly what I am talking about if you have even tried the pan and zoom feature or will know the first time you try it.

Here is a tip! Duration the picture is displayed is key here. If you have the standard 5 sec display, your PZ is going to go rather fast isn't it. Plus, there isn't much room to be adding all the keypoints you are going to need for the more complicated PZ effects. Drag or set the picture display out a bit. If I know I am going to be adding lots of keypoints, I set the picture I am working on to display for 10, 15 or 20 secs. This makes room for all those keypoints and it is just easier to edit the PZ that way. Once you have the effect you want, go back and reduce that pictures display time to get the correct speed at which you want the PZ effect to act.


You have to use the "Advanced" pan and zoom feature. Click on the picture you want to do the PZ to and then put a tick in the "Advanced" option.

Now you see a "Start" and "Finish" point. What you will be doing in essence is adding stops along the way from START to FINISH, and at each stop...specifying what you want at that stop.

Note= when moving a "keypoint", use the wheel. It is much simpler and actually moves both points.

Now, for the first stop. You have to drag the first point just off the start mark in order to add a keypoint. Add a keypoint by hitting "Add". When that keypoint is selected, make sure it is highlighted in the box, move the wheel to set a place for the keypoint. Where right now is of minimal importance, somewhere a little after the Start mark.

Now specify how much zoom you want. The pan always centers, this is default. BUT...you can drag that RED box to whatever location you want AFTER you have zoomed in a bit and the red box is smaller. Maybe you want to start your circular PZ in the upper right corner somewhere. For that keypoint, set your amount of zoom and then move the RED box to that position. Are you getting the idea of .....just adding more keypoints, specify amount of zoom and position the BOX where you need it to be?? ( in a circular pattern or whatever pattern you want)

That's basically the trick to it. Like I said, playing with it is the only way to learn. Once you have all your keypoints set, or even along the way in the process, hit play and see if it is what you are after. If not, edit the keypoints you have created.


If you can get that, then next try the, what I call the "Wah Wah" effect. In and out repeatedly on a certain picture. That's a good one too. Or the "Hunting for the Face or Subject" PZ effect. That's a real nice one too.

Good luck and sure hope this info helps you out.

I'm not even try to demo that!

[FwFdfireman]

I'm not even try to demo that!

LOL.........but WHY sknis??    

[jroc]

That's basically the trick to it. Like I said, playing with it is the only way to learn. Once you have all your keypoints set, or even along the way in the process, hit play and see if it is what you are after. If not, edit the keypoints you have created.
If you can get that, then next try the, what I call the "Wah Wah" effect. In and out repeatedly on a certain picture. That's a good one too. Or the "Hunting for the Face or Subject" PZ effect. That's a real nice one too.

Good luck and sure hope this info helps you out.
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I get it!, I get it!  Gonna go mess with it right now.  Pumped, baby.  Betcha anything I'll be back with questions, though.  Thank you very much for taking the time to type all that out.  

[FwFdfireman]

That's basically the trick to it. Like I said, playing with it is the only way to learn. Once you have all your keypoints set, or even along the way in the process, hit play and see if it is what you are after. If not, edit the keypoints you have created.
If you can get that, then next try the, what I call the "Wah Wah" effect. In and out repeatedly on a certain picture. That's a good one too. Or the "Hunting for the Face or Subject" PZ effect. That's a real nice one too.

Good luck and sure hope this info helps you out.
I get it!, I get it!  Gonna go mess with it right now.  Pumped, baby.  Betcha anything I'll be back with questions, though.  Thank you very much for taking the time to type all that out.  

NP jroc. Once you do even a simple "Advanced" with more than one keypoint and if you tried moving the "Red Box", then you have done all the basics. It is then just a matter of adding more of it.

Let us know how it turned out for you. ENJOY!

[jroc]

NP jroc. Once you do even a simple "Advanced" with more than one keypoint and if you tried moving the "Red Box", then you have done all the basics. It is then just a matter of adding more of it.

Let us know how it turned out for you. ENJOY!

Far out!  To open a slideshow of a weekend with our grandchildren I used a pic of my grandson with bruises and scrapes all over his face after a fall.  Started in the upper right hand corner, then used 43 keypoints to circle in until I ended with a crop of just his face (first try at this, the circle was pretty jerky but that actually made it better).  At the point the cropped still began I added a text "Ow," dropped that for .5 seconds after an appropriate viewing time, then added another text "I'm feeling a little dizzy."  Followed that photo up with a different view of the scrapes and bruises and did a wah wah.  For background sound I added an edited clip from AC/DC's "Thunderstruck."  Laughed out loud when I previewed.  Freakin' wonderful!  Thank you SO much FwFdfireman.

[FwFdfireman]

Far out!  To open a slideshow of a weekend with our grandchildren I used a pic of my grandson with bruises and scrapes all over his face after a fall.  Started in the upper right hand corner, then used 43 keypoints to circle in until I ended with a crop of just his face (first try at this, the circle was pretty jerky but that actually made it better).  At the point the cropped still began I added a text "Ow," dropped that for .5 seconds after an appropriate viewing time, then added another text "I'm feeling a little dizzy."  Followed that photo up with a different view of the scrapes and bruises and did a wah wah.  For background sound I added an edited clip from AC/DC's "Thunderstruck."  Laughed out loud when I previewed.  Freakin' wonderful!  Thank you SO much FwFdfireman.

No problem.......I am just glad you got it.

It's a tedious process isn't jroc? But so well worth it when you can pull it off with that one special picture and get that...."That's IT!"

OH, and I sure hope your Grandson is ok. LOL He will laugh about those scrapes and bruises when he sees what you did with his picture.

Edited by FwFdfireman, 06 April 2007 - 03:29 AM.

[sknis]

No problem.......I am just glad you got it.

It's a tedious process isn't jroc? But so well worth it when you can pull it off with that one special picture and get that...."That's IT!"

OH, and I sure hope your Grandson is ok. LOL He will laugh about those scrapes and bruises when he sees what you did with his picture.

Demo of Pan and Zoom using Advanced mode here.