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[Moosehouse]

Ok, So Windows Vista is out tomorrow, or today in some parts of the world and we haven't heard anything since October on the Windows Vista update front. Any news?

[grandpabruce]

Moosehouse, on Jan 29 2007, 06:38 PM, said:

Ok, So Windows Vista is out tomorrow, or today in some parts of the world and we haven't heard anything since October on the Windows Vista update front. Any news?

No news is good news.      

[endurance]

grandpabruce, on Jan 29 2007, 04:46 PM, said:

No news is good news.      

    

[gi7omy]

Put it like this - would you accept a repair for your car that was done in a matter of minutes and would you feel safe in it?

It takes time to find out what's wrong, what's needed, put it together and then test it.

[The Highlander]

Ok , there is a beta running at the moment on a Service Pack 1 for vista, but that is a long way away for release,
as to drivers ... this is a individual Hardware makers responsibility at this stage, so if you don't have the driver for an item after a Vista install, then you need to contact them at this stage.

As a side note , Microsoft has started releasing freebies and some fix's as of today (31st FEB)



The following updates have just been released for Windows Vista x64 machine:

Update for Windows Vista for x64-based Systems (KB929777)

Update for Windows Vista for x64-based Systems (KB929427)

Update for Windows Vista for x64-based Systems (KB929735)

Update for Windows Vista for x64-based Systems (KB925528)

Update for Windows Vista for x64-based Systems (KB931573)

Update for Windows Vista for x64-based Systems (KB928089)

Update for Windows Vista for x64 based Systems (KB930857)


They are all bug fixes or feature tweaks, none of them mention a security vulnerability.

See www.microsoft.com

Edited by The Highlander, 30 January 2007 - 06:55 PM.

[Beerman]

My test system already downloaded the x64 updates.....didn't even know they had any out yet.
Wonder what evil they're up to!

[The Highlander]

Beerman, on Jan 31 2007, 04:11 PM, said:

My test system already downloaded the x64 updates.....didn't even know they had any out yet.
Wonder what evil they're up to!

You like me have been testing this thing for a wile for Microsoft, and that downloading doesn't surprise you?, i see alot of stuff going on behind the seans on my system, and there is more I'm sure that MS can do and get that even testers haven't worked out yet... but the starting gun has gone off, and the users are racing so I'm sure these things will be un-covered as this gets rolling

[endurance]

gi7omy, on Jan 30 2007, 06:25 PM, said:

Put it like this - would you accept a repair for your car that was done in a matter of minutes and would you feel safe in it?

It takes time to find out what's wrong, what's needed, put it together and then test it.

OK - but there were now > 2 month to find out... If there are still problems to fix together with ms or third party then a small statement from roxio would be fine.

Currently once again the statement that there will be a fix ASA the first public release of vista is available is defininetly wrong. Again I want to point out that if you promise something you should be able to deliver what you promised...

[gi7omy]

The statement was that a patch would be made available AFTER Vista was publicly released. OK - it was released yesterday, already has patches from MS to fix bugs. If you had an RTM version you should have anticipated patching (anyone who did with XP would know all about that because on day 0 it was hit with a LOT of patches).

To issue a patch for an OS that wasn't final (even allowing for 0 day patching) is crazy. Do you want one that just papers over cracks or do you want one that is solid?

[endurance]

gi7omy, on Jan 31 2007, 04:54 AM, said:

To issue a patch for an OS that wasn't final (even allowing for 0 day patching) is crazy. Do you want one that just papers over cracks or do you want one that is solid?

There will never be a FINAL version since there is always one bug left... where is the problem to release a new bundle fixing the currently known important issues?

[gi7omy]

endurance, on Jan 31 2007, 01:21 PM, said:

There will never be a FINAL version since there is always one bug left... where is the problem to release a new bundle fixing the currently known important issues?

The problem is that until Vista actually hit the streets, nobody KNEW what the 'important' issues were. Sure there were RTM issues but even then it does take time to check what the issues are, write the patches, test them, re-write and then issue.
The patch will be released when it's ready - I don't work for Roxio - in fact I'm not even in the same continent, so I can't say just when it WILL be ready (only the software team have the answer there and as none of them ever come here to the users' forum, no-one here would have a clue)

[endurance]

gi7omy, on Jan 31 2007, 05:42 AM, said:

The problem is that until Vista actually hit the streets, nobody KNEW what the 'important' issues were. Sure there were RTM issues but even then it does take time to check what the issues are, write the patches, test them, re-write and then issue.
The patch will be released when it's ready - I don't work for Roxio - in fact I'm not even in the same continent, so I can't say just when it WILL be ready (only the software team have the answer there and as none of them ever come here to the users' forum, no-one here would have a clue)

User forum? Hmmm - there is a roxio logo on the top, it is listed under support so it should be a support forum moderated by roxio...
nobody knew?? If you want to say that the bahaviour of the RTM is different from the actual one (with patches), then this would be true also every month after a MS pathday... would this also be a reason to never deliver patches OK OK we should stopp here but please understand that from my and also many others customers  (users) point of view the current situation is a "little bit" frustrating...

cheers

[gi7omy]

It is a user forum actually - we do keep telling people that but nobody believes us

One thing to watch tho - there are basically TWO versions of Vista (and I'm not talking about the Basic/Home/Ultimate) - one for the US and another for the EU (the EU will be getting an 'N' version which will be stripped of all Windows Media-related technologies by decree of an antitrust ruling by the EU).

But then - we're being forced to pay DOUBLE the US price if we want it

[endurance]

gi7omy, on Jan 31 2007, 06:09 AM, said:

One thing to watch tho - there are basically TWO versions of Vista (and I'm not talking about the Basic/Home/Ultimate) - one for the US and another for the EU (the EU will be getting an 'N' version which will be stripped of all Windows Media-related technologies by decree of an antitrust ruling by the EU).

But then - we're being forced to pay DOUBLE the US price if we want it

Will there really be a EU version, currently I do not know any restrictions. I use an MSDN version but also in the news I did not see any comments on ... oops wait http://www.heise.de/...r/meldung/84560 there is one. There will be changes on Internet search, Licensing and also a mediaplayer free version (optional).

But anyway please roxio deploy a patch at least for the international version of vista...

[gi7omy]

Versions - read here

http://articles.tech...tml?tag=nl.e101

[silver]

gi7omy, on Jan 30 2007, 06:25 PM, said:

Put it like this - would you accept a repair for your car that was done in a matter of minutes and would you feel safe in it?

If it took my mechanic 3 months to fix a bug, I'd be getting my car back and a refund for any monies paid. Also they'd be paying for the car I use in the mean time.

[gi7omy]

silver, on Feb 1 2007, 11:49 AM, said:

If it took my mechanic 3 months to fix a bug, I'd be getting my car back and a refund for any monies paid. Also they'd be paying for the car I use in the mean time.

You seem to expect all repairs and servicing to be done before the car even got started on the assembly line

30th January to 1st February is scarcely 'three months'

[Russ999]

gi7omy, on Jan 30 2007, 06:25 PM, said:

Put it like this - would you accept a repair for your car that was done in a matter of minutes and would you feel safe in it?

It takes time to find out what's wrong, what's needed, put it together and then test it.

Of course not - I would expect the manufacturer to plan ahead.  If you want to compare the Vista release to a car, it would go something like this.

Car manufacturer : Hey everyone, we are going to be releasing a new car in about a years time.  Because some things won't work right with your product, here is a version of the car so you can work out what won't work.

Third party component supplier : Thanks, we will start developing right away.

End user : That's very reassuring

Car manufacturer : Yes, that's why we give everyone plenty of notice.  In fact, now the release is only 3 months away, here is an RTM (release to manufacturer) version of the car.  It is identical to the version that will go to the public in 3 months time, so you have plenty of time to identify any problems and fix them.  You can even release beta-fixes to the beta-users of the car to make sure it all works before the public release date.

Third party component supplier : We have a beta version available for testing, and feedback is being received and worked in to the final version.

End user : Great!

Car manufacturer : Today is release date, everything works fine because everyone was given plenty of notice.

Third party component supplier : Indeed, and here are all of our new parts which work with it.

End user : Perfect.


Now here is what has happened with Sonic Solutions...

Car manufacturer : Hey everyone, we are going to be releasing a new car in about a years time.  Because some things won't work right with your product, here is a version of the car so you can work out what won't work.

Third party component supplier : Thanks, but its ages away, a year, we don't need to do anything yet.

End user : That's a bit worrying, but I'm sure you know what you are doing.

Car manufacturer : Well, we do give everyone plenty of notice and recommend you start to work on changes.  In fact, now the release is only 3 months away, here is an RTM (release to manufacturer) version of the car.  It is identical to the version that will go to the public in 3 months time, so you have plenty of time to identify and problems and fix them.  You can even release beta-fixes to the beta-users of the car to make sure it all works before the public release date.

Third party component supplier : We haven't even started developing a beta version yet.  But hey, it's still three months away.  Plenty of time.

End user : Erm, ok, but you only have three months left.

Car manufacturer : Today is release date, I hope everyone has used this last year wisely to develop the 3rd party components.

Third party component supplier : Umm, not quite.  Lets just wait for thousands of people to crash their cars, and when they start complaining, we'll start working on it.

End user : CRASH.  Erm, help, please?

Third party component supplier : Whatever, it only came out today, give us a break.  We'll start on it now.  Infact, you have a Dell, go speak to them, it's not our problem (even though it's our software).

Edited by Russell Fray, 01 February 2007 - 09:05 AM.

[gi7omy]

Russell - the scenario is more like
We're releasing this new car - here's a prototype

3 months later

Err we had to change a few things - the engine is different, the wheels are resized, we've changed the doors - but we will supply you with a mod kit to bring it up to date. What do you mean you can't find the gas tank filler pipe?

[Russ999]

Vista RTM is the same as the public release version.  The beta version was different, but not much.  If it was really so different, how come SO many hardware and software suppliers were able to release production versions of very complex items on production day with zero problems?  Answer - it wasn't!

I'm no trying to argue, but the reason there is no update on release date is nobodys fault but Roxio/Sonic Solutions, and for the sake of their users (and their bank balance!) I just hope they get on and fix things soon.