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[planetweckesser]

Tried the new Samsung BDP-1200 (they just put a demo up at Circuit City) and BDMV from DVDit Pro HD will not play. Interestingly enough - I tried a BDAV disc produced in Cyberlink Power Producer and it plays perfectly. I would have thought that since Samsung pulled BDMV support after the first firmware upgrade and now BDMV has been legal with BD-RE and BD-R since Sept 06 they would have included it in this player. I have also seen a report that a BDMV authored in Sony Blu-Print ($ 50K per license) plays in PS3 even before the 1.6 upgrade. In these early days it really does not make a lot of sense to author several projects because of the uncertainties regarding BDMV support (at least in the "flavor" that DVDit Pro HD produces). Who knows what will be in the second and third generation players? If Sony doesn't include this support in it's new player to be released this summer then I feel we definitely have a problem.

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Tried the new Samsung BDP-1200 (they just put a demo up at Circuit City) and BDMV from DVDit Pro HD will not play. Interestingly enough - I tried a BDAV disc produced in Cyberlink Power Producer and it plays perfectly. I would have thought that since Samsung pulled BDMV support after the first firmware upgrade and now BDMV has been legal with BD-RE and BD-R since Sept 06 they would have included it in this player. I have also seen a report that a BDMV authored in Sony Blu-Print ($ 50K per license) plays in PS3 even before the 1.6 upgrade. In these early days it really does not make a lot of sense to author several projects because of the uncertainties regarding BDMV support (at least in the "flavor" that DVDit Pro HD produces). Who knows what will be in the second and third generation players? If Sony doesn't include this support in it's new player to be released this summer then I feel we definitely have a problem.

So why using Sony for playing... Panasonic works perfectly with BDMV... :-)

[planetweckesser]

So why using Sony for playing... Panasonic works perfectly with BDMV... :-)

I was just using Sony as an example - if their second gen player does not have BDMV (from DVDit Pro HD) support when it comes out, then perhaps Panasonic and Pioneer will follow suit.

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I was just using Sony as an example - if their second gen player does not have BDMV (from DVDit Pro HD) support when it comes out, then perhaps Panasonic and Pioneer will follow suit.

In a german forum the user C.-P. tells that he has successfully played BDMV and BDAV with the Samsung 1200... so what is right and what is wrong:

http://www.hifi-forum.de/index.php?action=...;postID=113#113

[planetweckesser]

In a german forum the user C.-P. tells that he has successfully played BDMV and BDAV with the Samsung 1200... so what is right and what is wrong:

http://www.hifi-forum.de/index.php?action=...;postID=113#113

Well I couldn't find anywhere in that forum that the program he made the BDMV file with was DVDIt Pro HD - as we have seen here people are having success with PS3 and the original Ulead Movie Factory 5 made BDMV's. All I know is that I used the same disc in my BDPS-1 with the 1.55 firmware upgrade and it plays perfectly as well as the Panasonic and Pioneer players and on my computer with Power DVD Ultra. Obviously there must be a number of different "flavors" within the BDMV spedification and, of course, you get what you pay for - but I am certainly not going to put a second mortgage on the house in order to author with Scenarist or Blu-Print so that my BDMV projects will play on all players (including PS3)

Edited by planetweckesser, 02 April 2007 - 06:09 AM.

[plee]

Well I couldn't find anywhere in that forum that the program he made the BDMV file with was DVDIt Pro HD - as we have seen here people are having success with PS3 and the original Ulead Movie Factory 5 made BDMV's. All I know is that I used the same disc in my BDPS-1 with the 1.55 firmware upgrade and it plays perfectly as well as the Panasonic and Pioneer players. Obviously there must be a number of different "flavors" within the BDMV spedification and, of course, you get what you pay for - but I am certainly not going to put a second mortgage on the house in order to author with Scenarist or Blu-Print so that my BDMV projects will play on all players (including PS3)

I do agree there must be something to MF5 and higher apps that the PS3 is looking for, maybe the protection key files?  I don't know but maybe Scott knows why...

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I do agree there must be something to MF5 and higher apps that the PS3 is looking for, maybe the protection key files?  I don't know but maybe Scott knows why...

So  the Panasonic have never made troubles with BDMV... It works perfectly with DVDit Pro HD...

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So  the Panasonic have never made troubles with BDMV... It works perfectly with DVDit Pro HD...

I think the same with the pioneer, it's all up to how they (manufactorers) "determine" it's valid to play.  Some may follow the specs to the letter while some may say why do I need to check (just for example doesn't apply but like media type, etc) that...

[Don W]

Well I couldn't find anywhere in that forum that the program he made the BDMV file with was DVDIt Pro HD - as we have seen here people are having success with PS3 and the original Ulead Movie Factory 5 made BDMV's. All I know is that I used the same disc in my BDPS-1 with the 1.55 firmware upgrade and it plays perfectly as well as the Panasonic and Pioneer players and on my computer with Power DVD Ultra. Obviously there must be a number of different "flavors" within the BDMV spedification and, of course, you get what you pay for - but I am certainly not going to put a second mortgage on the house in order to author with Scenarist or Blu-Print so that my BDMV projects will play on all players (including PS3)

I have authored a blu-ray disk with DVDit PRO HD, and the Samsung BDP-1200 will play it.  (I just came from Circuit City). I have posted on other threads that I cannot see the menu screen using Power DVD played back on my computer using my Sony BD100 burner. The menu looked perfect on the Samsung.
The Samsung also played files burned using the very basic Cyberlink blu-ray authoring software (without menus).  I cannot find a Sony that will play anything other than the Cyberlink software.  My concern at this point goes beyond playing; the files I burned with DVDit PRO HD looked great EXCEPT when I had panned or zoomed during filming.  The images are very jitterly, and quite frankly totally unacceptable. I shot with a HDR-FX1, edited with Sony Vegas 7, rendered to blu-print, then imported into DVDit PRO HD (accepted without transcoding).  Finally, I burned the project using the sony burner. Did I have some setting wrong in DVDit PRO HD?  What would cause the image play back jittery on the Samsung? It seems to play fine on my computer (except for the menu).

Amazingly, I can simply burn the transport stream files (m2t) on a regular +DVD  using any burning software and they will playback absolutely perfectly on my PS3!  The only reason I am using DVDit PRO HD is to author a complete disc including the menu, and the fact I can go as high as 25g.  At this point, I am extremely dissapointed with DVDit PRO HD and can only hope Sony will support blu-ray in the next DVDA.

Don

[planetweckesser]

I have authored a blu-ray disk with DVDit PRO HD, and the Samsung BDP-1200 will play it.  (I just came from Circuit City). I have posted on other threads that I cannot see the menu screen using Power DVD played back on my computer using my Sony BD100 burner. The menu looked perfect on the Samsung.
The Samsung also played files burned using the very basic Cyberlink blu-ray authoring software (without menus).  I cannot find a Sony that will play anything other than the Cyberlink software.  My concern at this point goes beyond playing; the files I burned with DVDit PRO HD looked great EXCEPT when I had panned or zoomed during filming.  The images are very jitterly, and quite frankly totally unacceptable. I shot with a HDR-FX1, edited with Sony Vegas 7, rendered to blu-print, then imported into DVDit PRO HD (accepted without transcoding).  Finally, I burned the project using the sony burner. Did I have some setting wrong in DVDit PRO HD?  What would cause the image play back jittery on the Samsung? It seems to play fine on my computer (except for the menu).

Amazingly, I can simply burn the transport stream files (m2t) on a regular +DVD  using any burning software and they will playback absolutely perfectly on my PS3!  The only reason I am using DVDit PRO HD is to author a complete disc including the menu, and the fact I can go as high as 25g.  At this point, I am extremely dissapointed with DVDit PRO HD and can only hope Sony will support blu-ray in the next DVDA.

Don

It sound like your project in DVDit Pro HD was very similar to mine - same camera + Sony V1 (two camera shoot) - edited in Edius and transcoded in Procoder Express according to the guidelines published elsewhere in this forum - accepted to DVDit Pro HD without transcoding- I set the settings in Pro HD the same as the settings in Procoder Express - VBR with 20,000 min, 24,000 average and 30,000 max. I am also using the Sony Burner. On my computer using Cyberlink Power DVD v. 7.2 (BD edition) and also using Nero 7 player the Blu-ray disc plays perfectly including menus. I don't know whether the video card has anything to do with it but I have NVidia GEForce 7950 (512) with the latest drivers on my editing workstation. I did recently purchase the Sony BDP-S1 player (since my PS3's wont play the discs) updated the firmware to 1.55 and the Pro HD - BDMV disc plays perfectly - menus and no jittery video in actions scenes or panning. Odd that the exact same disc gets an error message on the Samsung BDP 1200. I did burn the disc to "volume" first in Pro HD and then burned the disc using the volume already produced. Did you burn the disc directly without going to "volume" or 'image"?

I also have found the .m2t files directly from the camera or the .m2ts produced in the BDMV from Pro HD (stream file) will play on the PS3 when burned on a blu-ray disc used as a data disc.

[shueardm]

I am extremely dissapointed with DVDit PRO HD and can only hope Sony will support blu-ray in the next DVDA.

Why?
I read your post and can't find reason to blame the software. Your problem is either 1. You aren't encoding properly (setting wrong fields perhaps) or 2. Some Blu Ray players dont play your disc (which is not ROXIO's fault)

[hhansard]

Don, thanks for the info.  I have yet to get a BD-R to work on my 1200 (just received it).  I am outputing from PP, and using Roxio to burn.  1080i, 29.97, no menues.  settings: VBR with 20,000 min, 24,000 average and 28,000 max. I am using the Sony Burner.  Any ideas?  thanks, hugh

[Don W]

Don, thanks for the info.  I have yet to get a BD-R to work on my 1200 (just received it).  I am outputing from PP, and using Roxio to burn.  1080i, 29.97, no menues.  settings: VBR with 20,000 min, 24,000 average and 28,000 max. I am using the Sony Burner.  Any ideas?  thanks, hugh

Did you see SS Scott's pinned fix?

Don

[planetweckesser]

Don, thanks for the info.  I have yet to get a BD-R to work on my 1200 (just received it).  I am outputing from PP, and using Roxio to burn.  1080i, 29.97, no menues.  settings: VBR with 20,000 min, 24,000 average and 28,000 max. I am using the Sony Burner.  Any ideas?  thanks, hugh

Did you see SS Scott's pinned fix?

Don

Interesting situation here - I just got back from Circuit City and Best Buy - tried my new projects ( with the new patch) in 2 - BDp 1200 players - got the same message "cannot play this disc" from both - then tried them in the Panasonic and Pioneer - play without problems  - and at home they play on all my PS3's and Sony BDPS1.

It is rather odd that some people can't play these discs even with the new patch and others could play them before the patch came out - but when they do play a "jittery" pic is noted at times.

Don - the fact you use the same camera that I do (I also use the V1) and my files are accepted in DVDit Pro HD as well (and they have been checked by SS Scott to see if they are blu-ray compliant [and they are]) - leads me to think that there is some other variable here  - I edit in Grass Valley/Canopus Edius Pro using their intermediate codec (HQ) and then encode them in procoder express according to these specificiations:   http://sixgilldv.com/www/gallery/Procoder%...%20settings.jpg
Can you go in and look at the settings in the blu-ray preset area of Vegas "blu-print" to see if there are any major differences?

I believe we are seeing problems here related to the infancy of this format - the fact that blu-ray players have to keep putting out firmware updates just to make certain commercial movies play indicates that there are a lot of unknowns and variables within the blu-ray disc specifications and I guess we will have to put up with these bumps in the first year or two. The fact that DVDit Pro HD authored discs will now play in the PS3 is a biggie - as the home theatre manager at Best Buy was telling me  - a lot of people are buying the PS3 because of it's high ranking as a blu-ray player and relatively inexpensive compared to all the other players on market. As long as future firmware updates (to PS3) don't take away that functionality we are in good shape that projects made with DVDit Pro HD will play well in 90 % of players.

Does any of this remind anyone of the DVD+R and -R functionality a few years back?

[Bill Ritter]

I burned a BD-RE from DVDit HD and it played fine on the Samsung 1000.  I will be testing the same project using a BD-R shortly.  The disk was based on mpg2 at 15 Mbps 1080 60i with deinterlaced checked.  Deinterlaced made a big difference on play back on my software player and other mpg players (VLC).  Interlaced files stuttered and struggled.

Bill in Ohio

[Bill Ritter]

Follow up.  I went to a different Best Buy and they had the Samsung 1200 setup -- put in same DVDit produced HD movie on BD-RE -- did not recognize, BUT put in BD-R disk and it played fine.

Samsung 1000 at another store would not play either disk, which blew me away as the 1000 at Best Buy a few days earlier played the BD-RE disk (I didn't have the BD-R disk burned yet).

The BD-RE disk was dropped by store worker, but  I don't see visible evidence of damage.  I will be burning the BD-RE disk again.

All disks were burned on the Pioneer burner.

Best Buy guy told me a new Sony 300 Blu-ray player will be coming out soon at a price of $500.

Bill in Ohio

[plee]

Follow up.  I went to a different Best Buy and they had the Samsung 1200 setup -- put in same DVDit produced HD movie on BD-RE -- did not recognize, BUT put in BD-R disk and it played fine.

Samsung 1000 at another store would not play either disk, which blew me away as the 1000 at Best Buy a few days earlier played the BD-RE disk (I didn't have the BD-R disk burned yet).

The BD-RE disk was dropped by store worker, but  I don't see visible evidence of damage.  I will be burning the BD-RE disk again.

All disks were burned on the Pioneer burner.

Best Buy guy told me a new Sony 300 Blu-ray player will be coming out soon at a price of $500.

Bill in Ohio

The Sammy 1000 will work with the latest firmware so I would check the firmware version of each unit you try.  (I'm not sure how you do it but I'm sure it's in some setup menu)

[mattinkansascity]

i downloaded an .iso file from samsung and then updated the firmware on the bdp 1000. it now plays back all of my dvds. Firmware 1.1

i also took scott's suggestion and played the disc at Best buy in the samsung bdp 1200.

it worked great there as well. thanks to all contributors for helping out. you all have gained some good karma.

[MotorcycleMike]

My Discs made with DVDit Pro HD play fine on my Sammy 1200.
I still may return the Sammy though to buy the new Panasonic comming out. (Cheaper and HD audio)

Mike

[DonHDV]

I think we can agree from the above confusion that we should check the player's firmware before concluding anything.   Sony BDP-S1 didn't play any of my BD-R or RE till version 1.55 (March 12th).     Stores, as a rule do not update anything and the first box in the door probably goes on display.