[rstaats]

If you have a short HD video (20 to 30 minutes) that you don't want to burn on a blu-ray dis, you can use DVDit Pro HD to write a High Def volume on the hard drive. Then with your DVD burner you can copy the data (folder "BDMV" and folder "CERTIFICATE") onto the DVD-R/RW. I had a short house inventory video done with the Sony AVCHD Handycam HDR-SR1. It was a 10 minute video, did my usual editing in EDUS 3.61, used Procoder Express, and DVDit Pro HD to authorize the HD volume. The Sony BDP-S1 played the disc with no problems. The Sony player thinks the disc is a formated AVCHD DVD. Please if you make one of these disc do not play it in a regular DVD player. It will hang the player up and lock the tray. The Bitrate was set for CBR 18000, I think that will give you 30 minute.

You can play this on the PC DVD burner/player if you have a program like PowerDVD 6.3 HD or 7.

Bob

[SS Scott]

you can try that more directly without an external DVD burner. write a BD image (ISO) with DVDit Pro HD and then open up the "Burn Disc" dialog and choose DVD as the media type "from image" as the source. should burn your BD image to a DVD.

[DonHDV]

you can try that more directly without an external DVD burner. write a BD image (ISO) with DVDit Pro HD and then open up the "Burn Disc" dialog and choose DVD as the media type "from image" as the source. should burn your BD image to a DVD.

Hi Scott
Its been about a month since you helped me with the NTFS thing and I've done about a dozen hour+ projects. I thought I'd try the above on a tiny project I wasn't going to put on $20 media. I had 6 minutes of 1080x1440-30i footage as a 3.3gig .avi file. I made a menu and created a 1.13gig Blu-Ray .iso file. I opened the "burn disc" dialog and set that .iso as "source" and left the target as "DVD" "single layer". It burned successfully in 3 or 4 minutes on a DVD+RW. Encoding was as my other projects, mpeg2/VBR/25average, min 10, max 40. Unfortunately, the disc could not be read on my Sony BDP-S1 with up-to-date 3/12/07, v1.55 firmware. Any other ideas?

This post has been edited by DonHDV: 27 April 2007 - 01:34 PM

[SS Scott]

could be media Don. the original poster said DVD-R/RW. You said DVD+RW. I was kind of surprised when we were packing up at the end of NAB to see the Samsung box actually calling out that it would not play DVD+R discs.

[rstaats]

Hi Scott
Its been about a month since you helped me with the NTFS thing and I've done about a dozen hour+ projects. I thought I'd try the above on a tiny project I wasn't going to put on $20 media. I had 6 minutes of 1080x1440-30i footage as a 3.3gig .avi file. I made a menu and created a 1.13gig Blu-Ray .iso file. I opened the "burn disc" dialog and set that .iso as "source" and left the target as "DVD" "single layer". It burned successfully in 3 or 4 minutes on a DVD+RW. Encoding was as my other projects, mpeg2/VBR/25average, min 10, max 40. Unfortunately, the disc could not be read on my Sony BDP-S1 with up-to-date 3/12/07, v1.55 firmware. Any other ideas?

Hi Don
I wrote a BD image (ISO) with DVDit Pro HD and burned the image to a DVD. You are right it doesn't work in the Sony BDP-S1 Blu-ray Player. I even burned the ISO file with the program that came with the Blu-Ray burner and that didn't work. I looked at the folders on the disc and I noticed a folder "AACS" and it has no data in that folder just another folder inside with no data. So I copy all the data from the disc to the hard drive, removed the AACS folder, and burned the BDMV and Cert. folder back onto the DVD-RW disc. Now it played on the Sony player. So it is the AACS folder causing the problem, since the folder starts with a A IMO the player seeing that folder first. Do like I did in the top post, write a volume and use your program that came with the burner and burn the data. I use the setting "UDF 2.0 in my program config. DVD+R/RW should work. Let me know if it works this way for you. It sure would save a lot of $20 bucks.

Bob

[DonHDV]

Thanks for the tip
I used DVDit Pro HD to make a Blu-Ray volume and used my Cyberlink Power2Go to make a data DVD using UDF2.0 file system of just the BDMV and Certificate folders and the rusult did play in my BDP-S1 with 1.55 firmware. It identified the disc as "AVCHD" even though the encoding was mpeg. The only hitch was my encoding for a real Blu-Ray disc was VBR (variable bit rate), min 10, average 25 (like HDV) and max 40. I thought I needed it to tame hard cuts, since the firse 3 minutes were HD stills. With that, the player stalled after about 2 minutes. I redid it with min 8, average 20 and max 28 and it played beautifully. I could see no degradation from this $1 DVD vs. the $20 Blu-Ray. This is a great way to put short projects in HD form!

[rstaats]

Don: Thanks for letting me know it worked for you.

This post has been edited by rstaats: 03 May 2007 - 07:15 AM

[tenatie]

Yes, thanks 'rstaats', it worked for me to, max bit rate CBR 30K. You're a genius!

If I can squeeze 30 mins. HD onto a 50 cent DVD, it'll save a fortune. Better not let the politicians know

Next question - can I get a full hour of HD on a DVD DL? Watch this space...

[tenatie]

Yes...this works for DVD DL too, which allowed me to get 57 mins HD on a $2 disc. Bit rate was CBR 16000K, giving a BDMV folder size of 7 gig and change. (Specify file system UDF 1.02 when creating the DVD DL 'data disc'). The switch between layers was not noticeable. (As the subject was a music concert, it would have been noticed if present). Experimentation showed that a bit rate much over 20000K(whether CBR or VBR) produced stutter.

[L. Kingston]

Has anyone played one of these "Blu-ray format on a regular DVD-R" discs back successfully with a Playstation 3? When I try, so far what I'm getting is for the PS3 to see the disc as a "data" disc with "BDMV" and "CERTIFICATE" folders. I can step through the folders and find and play the movie file quite nicely, but I don't get the menus and setup I was hoping for.

[DonHDV]

I am pleased to report that short BDMV projects burned to DVD+R DO play on my new Dell M1710 notebook with the built in Blu-Ray drive. The machine is Vista Home Premium, the included player is Cyberlink PowerDVD-DX version 7.0.0.1109. The disk was made on my desktop editing station but the notebook's burning software is "Roxio Creator DE" verson 9 which I will try soon.

This post has been edited by DonHDV: 12 May 2007 - 02:12 PM

[dj7675]

I am pleased to report that short BDMV projects burned to DVD+R DO play on my new Dell M1710 notebook with the built in Blu-Ray drive. The machine is Vista Home Premium, the included player is Cyberlink PowerDVD-DX version 7.0.0.1109. The disk was made on my desktop editing station but the notebook's burning software is "Roxio Creator DE" verson 9 which I will try soon.

Just to clarify, did the dvd+R that you burned play on a PS3? This would be very nice to know.

Thanks

Darin

[DonHDV]

Just to clarify, did the dvd+R that you burned play on a PS3? This would be very nice to know.

Thanks

Darin

Sorry, I have no PS3 to test it on.....but at least it plays on some more mainstream devices so odds are better.

[L. Kingston]

Sorry, I have no PS3 to test it on.....but at least it plays on some more mainstream devices so odds are better.

There are more PS3s out there than all the other Blu-ray players combined. It's about as mainstream as you can get.

[SS Scott]

Sony just must not have implemented support for BDMV off of a red laser disc. you can try some experiments, but I think they are likely already tried... format a DVD-RE with different UDF types (2.0, 2.5) and then burn a BDMV volume onto the BD-RE disc with Record Now or Nero or some other burning program and pop it into the PS3. May want to leave off the AACS folder we generate when you do the burn.

[L. Kingston]

Sony just must not have implemented support for BDMV off of a red laser disc. you can try some experiments, but I think they are likely already tried... format a DVD-RE with different UDF types (2.0, 2.5) and then burn a BDMV volume onto the BD-RE disc with Record Now or Nero or some other burning program and pop it into the PS3. May want to leave off the AACS folder we generate when you do the burn.

I've done all that. No luck so far. Sony recognizes any red laser disc as a "Data Disk" and doesn't look for the Blu-ray directorys on it. I can actually step through the directories, find the media files and play them, but that is a far cry from what I want: to be able to play the disc with menus and all.