16:9 4:3 P&S, Letterbox issues with MyDVD and VideoWave
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bexley
, May 09 2007 08:22 AM
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#1
Posted 09 May 2007 - 08:22 AM
I have read posts where 16:9 versus 4:3 issues are dismissed as incorrect DVD player settings, etc.
I think there is a real bug in how 16:9 is handled in the MyDVD/Videowave products, where they should be set to Anamorphic display, that is one can select 4:3 P&S, 4:3 Letterbox, or 16:9 display, and the display should be approriate to that setting.
I have created DVDs using MyDVD9 and VideoWave. Most DVD players have settings for 4:3 P&S, 4:3 Letterbox and 16:9. Only DVDs I have created using MyDVD do not respect the 4:3 Letterbox setting, all my other DVDs show up in 4:3 Letterbox format - the MyDVD created DVDs treat 4:3 P&S and Letterbox as the same setting. This seems to me to be a flaw in the MyDVD (VideoWave product).
I think there is a real bug in how 16:9 is handled in the MyDVD/Videowave products, where they should be set to Anamorphic display, that is one can select 4:3 P&S, 4:3 Letterbox, or 16:9 display, and the display should be approriate to that setting.
I have created DVDs using MyDVD9 and VideoWave. Most DVD players have settings for 4:3 P&S, 4:3 Letterbox and 16:9. Only DVDs I have created using MyDVD do not respect the 4:3 Letterbox setting, all my other DVDs show up in 4:3 Letterbox format - the MyDVD created DVDs treat 4:3 P&S and Letterbox as the same setting. This seems to me to be a flaw in the MyDVD (VideoWave product).
#2
Posted 09 May 2007 - 08:28 AM
A discussion thread on the topic. I hope it helps.
http://forums.support.roxio.com/index.php?...ic=14202&hl
http://forums.support.roxio.com/index.php?...ic=14202&hl
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#3
Posted 09 May 2007 - 09:19 AM
OK, I will post it there.
#4
Posted 09 May 2007 - 09:20 AM
QUOTE (bexley @ May 9 2007, 01:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
OK, I will post it there.
No, I didn't mean you to post there. I just thought that the discussion there answers some of your questions.
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#5
Posted 10 May 2007 - 05:36 AM
QUOTE (bexley @ May 9 2007, 12:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I have read posts where 16:9 versus 4:3 issues are dismissed as incorrect DVD player settings, etc.
I think there is a real bug in how 16:9 is handled in the MyDVD/Videowave products, where they should be set to Anamorphic display, that is one can select 4:3 P&S, 4:3 Letterbox, or 16:9 display, and the display should be approriate to that setting.
I have created DVDs using MyDVD9 and VideoWave. Most DVD players have settings for 4:3 P&S, 4:3 Letterbox and 16:9. Only DVDs I have created using MyDVD do not respect the 4:3 Letterbox setting, all my other DVDs show up in 4:3 Letterbox format - the MyDVD created DVDs treat 4:3 P&S and Letterbox as the same setting. This seems to me to be a flaw in the MyDVD (VideoWave product).
As far as I can tell, MyDVD 9 creates TRUE anamorphic 16:9 and plays correctly on every DVD player which is set correctly FOR ME. I've made several 16:9 family reunion DVDs and distributed to 20 or so family members. NONE of them have complained that the disc did not play correctly.I think there is a real bug in how 16:9 is handled in the MyDVD/Videowave products, where they should be set to Anamorphic display, that is one can select 4:3 P&S, 4:3 Letterbox, or 16:9 display, and the display should be approriate to that setting.
I have created DVDs using MyDVD9 and VideoWave. Most DVD players have settings for 4:3 P&S, 4:3 Letterbox and 16:9. Only DVDs I have created using MyDVD do not respect the 4:3 Letterbox setting, all my other DVDs show up in 4:3 Letterbox format - the MyDVD created DVDs treat 4:3 P&S and Letterbox as the same setting. This seems to me to be a flaw in the MyDVD (VideoWave product).
Your problem could very easily be the source file. Are you using 16:9 DV AVI? If you are 'capturing' to 16:9 MPEG 2, there is a known issue! Were the files from a camcorder that records to hard drive or directly miniDVDs? These files can be problematic.
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#6
Posted 10 May 2007 - 06:45 AM
Upon further research, I think I may have an idea why the 16:9 / 4:3P&S / 4:3 Letterbox problem is occurring. Looking at the MyDVD generated IFOs, the 16:9 flag video attributes should read "16:9 (pan-scan & letterboxed)" to allow the player to make the right automatic decisions; the attributes instead appear as "16:9 (pan-scan)", which would account for the symptoms I am describing. If I edit the IFOs, and set the attributes by hand correctly, the DVD player correctly sets 16:9 / 4:3P&S / 4:3 Letterbox.
And not setting the 16:9 flag correctly is a bug, if I'm not mistaken.
This link explains the 16:9 flag in detail:
http://www.dvdr-digest.com/articles/42_1.html
And not setting the 16:9 flag correctly is a bug, if I'm not mistaken.
This link explains the 16:9 flag in detail:
http://www.dvdr-digest.com/articles/42_1.html
#7
Posted 10 May 2007 - 06:52 AM
Just a question: Your video source file is 16:9 mpeg2? I am curious since I recently recorded a school play in 16:9 mode and captured the video in mpg format.
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#8
Posted 10 May 2007 - 11:09 AM
QUOTE (bexley @ May 10 2007, 10:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Upon further research, I think I may have an idea why the 16:9 / 4:3P&S / 4:3 Letterbox problem is occurring. Looking at the MyDVD generated IFOs, the 16:9 flag video attributes should read "16:9 (pan-scan & letterboxed)" to allow the player to make the right automatic decisions; the attributes instead appear as "16:9 (pan-scan)", which would account for the symptoms I am describing. If I edit the IFOs, and set the attributes by hand correctly, the DVD player correctly sets 16:9 / 4:3P&S / 4:3 Letterbox.
And not setting the 16:9 flag correctly is a bug, if I'm not mistaken.
This link explains the 16:9 flag in detail:
http://www.dvdr-digest.com/articles/42_1.html
For future reference, please don't post the same message in several places. It just makes answering more difficult. If MyDVD was doing something not within the DVD standard, then more people would be having the same problem and we just haven't seen that many posts about it. MyDVD seems to be working fine for most.And not setting the 16:9 flag correctly is a bug, if I'm not mistaken.
This link explains the 16:9 flag in detail:
http://www.dvdr-digest.com/articles/42_1.html
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#9
Posted 11 May 2007 - 10:23 AM
My apologies, I misinterpreted malatekid's pointer to another thread as a suggestion to post there.
#10
Posted 11 May 2007 - 10:26 AM
no problem...
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#11
Posted 09 July 2007 - 05:49 AM
QUOTE (ggrussell @ May 10 2007, 05:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
As far as I can tell, MyDVD 9 creates TRUE anamorphic 16:9 and plays correctly on every DVD player which is set correctly FOR ME. I've made several 16:9 family reunion DVDs and distributed to 20 or so family members. NONE of them have complained that the disc did not play correctly.
Your problem could very easily be the source file. Are you using 16:9 DV AVI? If you are 'capturing' to 16:9 MPEG 2, there is a known issue! Were the files from a camcorder that records to hard drive or directly miniDVDs? These files can be problematic.
Your problem could very easily be the source file. Are you using 16:9 DV AVI? If you are 'capturing' to 16:9 MPEG 2, there is a known issue! Were the files from a camcorder that records to hard drive or directly miniDVDs? These files can be problematic.
I'm new to this forum and new to widescreen production. Personally I am using files from a new JVC camcorder and wanted to know what problems you are talking about? I am having the issue with the letter boxing and am looking for a solution at the moment.
#12
Posted 09 July 2007 - 06:05 AM
QUOTE (redant1 @ Jul 9 2007, 08:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm new to this forum and new to widescreen production. Personally I am using files from a new JVC camcorder and wanted to know what problems you are talking about? I am having the issue with the letter boxing and am looking for a solution at the moment.
Follow the replies in the new thread that you made.
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