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[kimtpeterson]

In EMC 7.5 I would restore a vinyl, chop it into individual tracks, create  vinyl cover and cds and then burn them to a master cd using the enhanced cd project. Whenever I wanted to make an extra cd, all the tracks are on the master stored under 'alubm name'.rcl. Click on the .rcl and voila! emc7.5 would load and I could easily burn a new CD.

EMC 9 does not seem to work that way. If I use the master to create a cd, it wants to rip them to a folder on my hard drive. For what purpose vs copying them from the master to the new cd?

Seems I've got to be doing this wrong. Any ideas would be great.  

Thanx.

[REDWAGON]

Not exactly sure if I am on the right track with this suggestion, but if I wanted to burn some audio files that I had taken from an old vinyl record, I would use the "Creator Classic" program (All versions of EMC have this program) and add whatever audio files I wanted and then burn a disk. Save the program to my HD some where and then if I ever wanted to make another copy just bring up that saved file and burn as many more as I wanted.

Either a master CDA CD or WAV or MP3.

If I am on the wrong track, please disregard.

Frank...

[sknis]

In EMC 7.5 I would restore a vinyl, chop it into individual tracks, create vinyl cover and cds and then burn them to a master cd using the enhanced cd project. Whenever I wanted to make an extra cd, all the tracks are on the master stored under 'alubm name'.rcl. Click on the .rcl and voila! emc7.5 would load and I could easily burn a new CD.

EMC 9 does not seem to work that way. If I use the master to create a cd, it wants to rip them to a folder on my hard drive. For what purpose vs copying them from the master to the new cd?

Seems I've got to be doing this wrong. Any ideas would be great.

Thanx.

I'd probably use Music Disc Creator and burn the project to a "master" as a disc image file --- c2d.

[tbrewst]

If I'm right about what you're trying to do I tried it and it worked just fine.
When you open Creator Classic you can have choices as to what kind of disc you make.For what you're doing you have 2 choices,MultiMedia disc or CD Extra disc.If you choose CD Extra you get a choice of Enhanced (which is what you said you were making) or Mixed-Mode.Either way I can't find a setting to save those projects so that leaves MultiMedia disc.
I added Audio and then a folder of data and didn't burn it but saved the project as a .rcl file.I then took the rcl file and burned it to a regular data disc using Creator Classic,closed everything and popped the cd in.When an Explorer box opened I clicked on the rcl file.Once I did that Creator Classic opened again and the project files were loaded and ready to burn.
If you were going to save multiple "master" rcl files you'd either have to have them all available at once or make a data disc and add them one at a time,leaving the disc open in between saves.All of this will work as long as you don't move or delete any of the files in the project(s).An rcl doesn't contain the files,it's just a list of the things needed for the project.

The cool thing was I created the rcl of the project in Vista and burned to a disc then went into XP to open the rcl file

Edited by tbrewst, 29 July 2007 - 06:53 PM.

[kimtpeterson]

...Either way I can't find a setting to save those projects so that leaves MultiMedia disc.
I added Audio and then a folder of data and didn't burn it but saved the project as a .rcl file.I then took the rcl file and burned it to a regular data disc using Creator Classic,closed everything and popped the cd in.When an Explorer box opened I clicked on the rcl file. Once I did that Creator Classic opened again and the project files were loaded and ready to burn.

Thanx for the response.

As I understand what you did was to make a MultiMedia disk with audio and data. Some data would not show up such as txt files, ec3 Epson files and a dmsa.  You then saved the file as a rcl and burned the rcl file to disk and not the .wav files or data files? You then clicked on the rcl file and all appeared in creator classic? What happens if you remove the files from the hard disk? Is this what you are saying?

Also, using Multimedia the files are alphabatized and there appears no way to change the order.

My whole mission with creating a master is to store the files in one place, on a cd and not the hard drive. With over 350 vinyls to restore, that saves alot of space.

Thanx.

Edited by kimtpeterson, 09 August 2007 - 09:52 AM.

[tbrewst]

I see what you're trying to do but if you make the project and the files are on the hard drive and then you copy them to the disc and take them off your hard drive the .rcl is gonna look for the files on your hard drive not on the disc you burned.
How this would have worked in 7.5 I'm not sure.
If you're making these from vinyl then you might have enough room on a cd to just burn the tracks (wav files) and the rest of the data  as a straight data project using Creator Classic.Most vinyl doesn't have enough minutes on it to fill the disc.If you wanted a copy all you'd have to do is use the disc as the source instead of your harddrive

Edited by tbrewst, 09 August 2007 - 03:46 PM.

[kimtpeterson]

I see what you're trying to do but if you make the project and the files are on the hard drive and then you copy them to the disc and take them off your hard drive the .rcl is gonna look for the files on your hard drive not on the disc you burned.
How this would have worked in 7.5 I'm not sure.
If you're making these from vinyl then you might have enough room on a cd to just burn the tracks (wav files) and the rest of the data  as a straight data project using Creator Classic.Most vinyl doesn't have enough minutes on it to fill the disc.If you wanted a copy all you'd have to do is use the disc as the source instead of your harddrive

When making a master with 7.5, it looks for the files where the rcl is made. Let me clarify: I make a master from the restored files on my hard drive using both data and audio with Enhanced. Burn it to a cd rw. Place the cd rw in E drive, make an audio only from the files from E drive and burn to F. Save the fle as {name}cd.rcl. Now when I want to make another copy of just the audio, I insert the cd into E:, click on {name}cd.rcl and voila! EMC 7.5 loads with the files in the correct order. No longer have to keep the files on my hard drive.

When the burn is complete, I then burn the master with the included {name}cd.rcl. A neat package on one disc.

Can't seem to dupe this in EMC 9. I do not want to copy the entire master, just the audio.

Thanx.

[tbrewst]

Ok,now that makes more sense.If you put the Enhanced cd in drive E and use it as the source for the disc you make on drive F then save that project as an rcl then the next time you use that rcl it should try and look on E for the files.I would think if that rcl is on a disc that's in E then it should just look at the same disc fo the files.
I'l have to try this and see what happens.Give me a bit and I'll try it.

[tbrewst]

Ok,after some experimenting I think I might know why.
Creator Classic no longer makes audio cd's in v9,Music Disc Creator does that.So when you take the files from the original disc and try and add them into Creator Classic it sees them as audio files and wants to convert them to a data format,that's why it wants to put them on your hard drive.

I don't know that you can do this anymore because of the separation of the 2.If you used mp3 files (or another data format) you could add the files to the disc but if you save them as an rcl you can't burn an audio cd from the rcl.
I've tried a few things and I'm sorry to say I can't find a way to do what you're trying to do.If you were trying to make an mp3/wma disc then it might be a different story.

Edited by tbrewst, 10 August 2007 - 10:41 AM.

[kimtpeterson]

Thanx for all the help. Seems that if I want to do this thing, I need to stick with v7.5. What a pity.

[james_hardin]

Thanx for all the help. Seems that if I want to do this thing, I need to stick with v7.5. What a pity.

If you use V7 you are painting yourself into a corner!

It won't work on Vista

It won't work with WMP10!

It won't work with IE7!

So you create all this with V7 and a year or 3 down the road your PC dies, you will have an archive you cannot restore from…

I don't any audio work to speak of, so I cannot offer a solution – sorry!

I just want to save you from reverting to a system that will only fail on you down the road.

[kimtpeterson]

Thanx, Jim. To extrapolate, when Microsoft changes OS's, software becomes obsolete (or just about). It seems,
then no matter which system (version) I use, I'm screwed concerning archiving my stuff. Maybe somewhat hyperbolic but appears it could happen. 'What a wonderful world'.

Grandpa, you're right on target. Just finished restoring Ambassador Satch. What a joy to listen to. Now choices to archive.

Edited by kimtpeterson, 12 August 2007 - 06:41 AM.

[grandpabruce]

Thanx. 'What a wonderful world.'

Louis (Satchmo) Armstrong.  

[kimtpeterson]

My ongoing troubles with v9. Just burned a cd with Creator Classic. It has 10 audio tracks and 4 data. This PC nor my Dell inspiron will not read the disc. However, it is read when in creator classic but only the audio tracks. Track view shows 11 tracks but I can't seem to be able to get to track 11 (data). File view shows only 10 audio tracks.

In creator classic v7.5, it reads the audio names in one view and only track names in other.

Windows explorer does not read anything from the disc.

Any ideas?
thanx.



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