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[DeeTeeDub]

I'm trying to make an audio CD in Music Disc Creator and I'm having a problem with the transitions between tracks.  I'm used to the old Easy CD Creator 5 where you select "transition" and then select "no fades" and then put in the time in seconds that you want the next track to overlay the current one.  

I've been selecting each track in EMC 9 and then choosing the icon that says "No Fade In" and then choosing the icon that says "Overlap With Previous Track" and then putting in the time to begin the next track ... but each transition still fades in.  It also seems that no matter what I choose, I get some sort of fade in.  I don't want any fades of any kind.  I just want it to start the next track where I tell it to!

Any help would be appreciated.

P.S.  -- Brand new HP DV9000 with Vista and 2gb ram.

[REDWAGON]

I'm trying to make an audio CD in Music Disc Creator and I'm having a problem with the transitions between tracks. I'm used to the old Easy CD Creator 5 where you select "transition" and then select "no fades" and then put in the time in seconds that you want the next track to overlay the current one.

I've been selecting each track in EMC 9 and then choosing the icon that says "No Fade In" and then choosing the icon that says "Overlap With Previous Track" and then putting in the time to begin the next track ... but each transition still fades in. It also seems that no matter what I choose, I get some sort of fade in. I don't want any fades of any kind. I just want it to start the next track where I tell it to!

Any help would be appreciated.

P.S. -- Brand new HP DV9000 with Vista and 2gb ram.

I have tried to duplicate your problem of having no fade in or fade out and settimng the time between (gap). I set the icons to show no fade in or fade out (BTW, once you chose a particular setting for the first song and you maybe have 6 songs they all are changed to that setting. You can make each one different). Then I set the the Icon to have a gap of 3.0 sec. After burning the disc, I played the songs in WMP and they all were exactly as I had set them EXCEPT---and this you should know. One of the songs I included in the burn had a default fade out and even though I had set itr to have no fade out it still did. TRhe only way I got it to work right was to edit the song and at the end, change it to eliminate that default fade out. Then I reburned the same set of songs and this time it worked perfect.

So to me, that means that if you have a song that yoiu are using that has a default fade out the unless you remove it the program will still fade it out. That's because the program waits till the end of the regular original end before it does what you said in the program. I hoipe that makes sense.

Frank...

[DeeTeeDub]

I have tried to duplicate your problem of having no fade in or fade out and settimng the time between (gap). I set the icons to show no fade in or fade out (BTW, once you chose a particular setting for the first song and you maybe have 6 songs they all are changed to that setting. You can make each one different). Then I set the the Icon to have a gap of 3.0 sec. After burning the disc, I played the songs in WMP and they all were exactly as I had set them EXCEPT---and this you should know. One of the songs I included in the burn had a default fade out and even though I had set itr to have no fade out it still did. TRhe only way I got it to work right was to edit the song and at the end, change it to eliminate that default fade out. Then I reburned the same set of songs and this time it worked perfect.

So to me, that means that if you have a song that yoiu are using that has a default fade out the unless you remove it the program will still fade it out. That's because the program waits till the end of the regular original end before it does what you said in the program. I hoipe that makes sense.

Frank...

Thanks Frank...

I guess you're having better luck with yours than I am.

When you say "default fade out" are you talking about the normal fade of the song ending as it was originally recorded?  Because, I want to keep the original fade-out of my songs, and just have the next song mix over the top of the fade-out without fading in.  Does that make sense?  I don't want the beginning of a song fading in over a songs fading out ending.  It doesn't sound right.

[REDWAGON]

Thanks Frank...

I guess you're having better luck with yours than I am.

When you say "default fade out" are you talking about the normal fade of the song ending as it was originally recorded? Because, I want to keep the original fade-out of my songs, and just have the next song mix over the top of the fade-out without fading in. Does that make sense? I don't want the beginning of a song fading in over a songs fading out ending. It doesn't sound right.

You're exactly right. That's what I meant by the "default" fade out of the song. And I understand what you are trying to accompish. I went back again and set each song for NO fade in and NO Fade out and set the songs to Overlap and set the time to 3.0 seconds. This works like a charm on my computer. Funny that you brought this particular problem up. I say that, as I had never set the songs to overlap before and I find that is a nice option to chose. It really sounds good to hear them overlap like that.



In the mean time I just can't seem to duplicate your problem. Except for ther original song dafault fade out, Everything I have tried works fine. To go over what I am doing---I have EMC 9.1 on my computer (Ver. 9.1.068) and from the Home menu I click on "Audio" then click on "Music Disc Creator. Add several wav type audio files I have on my computer, then make the settings as I have described. Then last burn the disc and play it.

Sorry I couldn't have been more help with your problem, or at least duplicated what you have done.

Frank...

[DeeTeeDub]

You're exactly right. That's what I meant by the "default" fade out of the song. And I understand what you are trying to accompish. I went back again and set each song for NO fade in and NO Fade out and set the songs to Overlap and set the time to 3.0 seconds. This works like a charm on my computer. Funny that you brought this particular problem up. I say that, as I had never set the songs to overlap before and I find that is a nice option to chose. It really sounds good to hear them overlap like that.



In the mean time I just can't seem to duplicate your problem. Except for ther original song dafault fade out, Everything I have tried works fine. To go over what I am doing---I have EMC 9.1 on my computer (Ver. 9.1.068) and from the Home menu I click on "Audio" then click on "Music Disc Creator. Add several wav type audio files I have on my computer, then make the settings as I have described. Then last burn the disc and play it.

Sorry I couldn't have been more help with your problem, or at least duplicated what you have done.

Frank...

Thanks again Frank.  Oh well, at least I could help with your audio mixing!

[kenbob]

You're exactly right. That's what I meant by the "default" fade out of the song. And I understand what you are trying to accompish. I went back again and set each song for NO fade in and NO Fade out and set the songs to Overlap and set the time to 3.0 seconds. This works like a charm on my computer. Funny that you brought this particular problem up. I say that, as I had never set the songs to overlap before and I find that is a nice option to chose. It really sounds good to hear them overlap like that.



In the mean time I just can't seem to duplicate your problem. Except for ther original song dafault fade out, Everything I have tried works fine. To go over what I am doing---I have EMC 9.1 on my computer (Ver. 9.1.068) and from the Home menu I click on "Audio" then click on "Music Disc Creator. Add several wav type audio files I have on my computer, then make the settings as I have described. Then last burn the disc and play it.

Sorry I couldn't have been more help with your problem, or at least duplicated what you have done.

Frank...

I'm having the same problem.  Select 2 tracks, select "no fades" then get the tracks to overlap.  It always adds a "fade out" with track 1 and a "fade in" with track 2.  I posted this in another thread with no response.  Also opened a trouble ticket with Roxio, no response yet.

[jeanrosenfeld]

When tracks are overlapped, the default is to fade out/fade in to avoid the possibility of clipping if the sum of the tracks in the overlap region exceeds the maximum. I can't remember whether the option exists in 9, but in Roxio Music Disc creator 10, Tools menu, options,  there is a box 'force fading when overlapping tracks to prevent clipping' that one can uncheck. Then there is no fade out/fade in in the overlap region.

[DeeTeeDub]

When tracks are overlapped, the default is to fade out/fade in to avoid the possibility of clipping if the sum of the tracks in the overlap region exceeds the maximum. I can't remember whether the option exists in 9, but in Roxio Music Disc creator 10, Tools menu, options,  there is a box 'force fading when overlapping tracks to prevent clipping' that one can uncheck. Then there is no fade out/fade in in the overlap region.

Hi guys,

Thanks for more input.   I was able to get a reply from Roxio about this after waiting for over a week.  Get this ... this is their "fix" for the problem:

. Disable your startup items.

   If you're in XP:
     a. Click on the "Start" button and select "Run".

   If you're in Vista:
     a. Click on the "Start" button and click in the "Start Search" Field.

     b. Type "msconfig" and press the "Enter" key.
     c. Select the "Startup" tab over on the right side.
     d. Write down which items are checked, and then click on the "Disable All" button.
     e. Click on the "Apply" button.
     f. Select the "Services" tab next to the "Startup" tab.
     g. Click the checkbox that says "Hide all Microsoft Services".
     h. Choose "Disable All".
     i. Click on "Apply"

   Only follow the following 2 steps if you are in Vista.
     j. Select the "Tools" tab.
     k. Left click once on "Disable UAC" and click "Launch".  Close the dos window that appears.

     l. Click "Ok"
     m. Restart your pc.

NOTE: To reverse these changes, follow the above steps and select "enable all".

2. These instructions will walk you through a repair install.
   a. Place the Installation CD into your CD ROM Drive.  If it asks you to start the installation, cancel it.
   b. Click on "Start" and then "Control Panel".\

  If you're in XP:
   c. Double Click on "Add or Remove Programs".
  If you're in Vista:
   c. Double Click on "Programs and Features".

   d. Find "Roxio Easy Media Creator" in the list and Left Click it Once.
   e. Choose the "Change" option and wait for the setup screen to show up.
   f. Click "Next" and then choose "Repair" from the options.  Finish stepping through the installation process.
   g. Restart your pc.

...can you believe this?  Furthermore, this is not even guaranteed to work!  And if by chance it does, they expect you to perform these steps EVERY time!  I mean, come on, how hard can it be to have a program mix two songs at the point you input without interfering in any other way?

If this is what you get for spending a $100 bucks on a VISTA CERTIFIED product then we all got scammed.  

I have not tried the aforementined "fix" because I think it's ridiculous to expect me to do this.  So if anybody is brave enough to try it, let me know how it worked.

Thanks.

[sknis]

I'm trying to make an audio CD in Music Disc Creator and I'm having a problem with the transitions between tracks. I'm used to the old Easy CD Creator 5 where you select "transition" and then select "no fades" and then put in the time in seconds that you want the next track to overlay the current one.

I've been selecting each track in EMC 9 and then choosing the icon that says "No Fade In" and then choosing the icon that says "Overlap With Previous Track" and then putting in the time to begin the next track ... but each transition still fades in. It also seems that no matter what I choose, I get some sort of fade in. I don't want any fades of any kind. I just want it to start the next track where I tell it to!

Any help would be appreciated.

P.S. -- Brand new HP DV9000 with Vista and 2gb ram.

Take a different tack.  Make a mix in Sound editor. No overlaps one soung ends, the other begins. Cut off the "extra" so that you have only the music you want.

Hi guys,

Thanks for more input. I was able to get a reply from Roxio about this after waiting for over a week. Get this ... this is their "fix" for the problem:

. Disable your startup items.

If you're in XP:
a. Click on the "Start" button and select "Run".

If you're in Vista:
a. Click on the "Start" button and click in the "Start Search" Field.

b. Type "msconfig" and press the "Enter" key.
c. Select the "Startup" tab over on the right side.
d. Write down which items are checked, and then click on the "Disable All" button.
e. Click on the "Apply" button.
f. Select the "Services" tab next to the "Startup" tab.
g. Click the checkbox that says "Hide all Microsoft Services".
h. Choose "Disable All".
i. Click on "Apply"

Only follow the following 2 steps if you are in Vista.
j. Select the "Tools" tab.
k. Left click once on "Disable UAC" and click "Launch". Close the dos window that appears.

l. Click "Ok"
m. Restart your pc.

NOTE: To reverse these changes, follow the above steps and select "enable all".

2. These instructions will walk you through a repair install.
a. Place the Installation CD into your CD ROM Drive. If it asks you to start the installation, cancel it.
b. Click on "Start" and then "Control Panel".\

If you're in XP:
c. Double Click on "Add or Remove Programs".
If you're in Vista:
c. Double Click on "Programs and Features".

d. Find "Roxio Easy Media Creator" in the list and Left Click it Once.
e. Choose the "Change" option and wait for the setup screen to show up.
f. Click "Next" and then choose "Repair" from the options. Finish stepping through the installation process.
g. Restart your pc.

...can you believe this? Furthermore, this is not even guaranteed to work! And if by chance it does, they expect you to perform these steps EVERY time! I mean, come on, how hard can it be to have a program mix two songs at the point you input without interfering in any other way?

If this is what you get for spending a $100 bucks on a VISTA CERTIFIED product then we all got scammed.

I have not tried the aforementined "fix" because I think it's ridiculous to expect me to do this. So if anybody is brave enough to try it, let me know how it worked.

Thanks.

I think that they mis-read your question. UAC is User Account Control.  I'm not sure how that fits in with music overlap.   The instructions are for a repair install of the program as in the above text.  Did you tell them it was broke and needed to be fixed?

[myguggi]

Take a different tack.  Make a mix in Sound editor. No overlaps one soung ends, the other begins. Cut off the "extra" so that you have only the music you want.


I think that they mis-read your question. UAC is User Account Control.  I'm not sure how that fits in with music overlap.   The instructions are for a repair install of the program as in the above text.  Did you tell them it was broke and needed to be fixed?

Unfortunately that seems to be the current canned response by Roxio support to all problems even when the question has nothing to do with installing.

[Wingwiper]

myguggi

You are right, I have gotten that response a few times.

sknis

That is an even longer drawn out process.

DeeTeeDub

I have used many different versions of Sonic/Roxio and I too have found that with each NEW version, the simplicity of a task in an older version has been translated to chaos. Why do they mess with something that worked so easily before, I do not know.

I have the program in front of me and I have been trying to do what you want for awhile now. Ver 7.5. was a piece of cake and you selected and you did it and you had a nice view to show you what you did or are doing.

I have Music Disc Creator open, for it seems to be the closest thing we will get where we can add transitions and volume changes etc. Now with Roxio's almighty way of thinking they have replaced the two simple choices of Gap or fade where the user would put in the time and then select ADD TO ALL SELECTIONS in such an USER FRIENDLY SCREEN to a 3 College degree confused chaotic mess.

alright I ADDED my AUDIO TRACKS easy enough here, need to be careful here, when the Add music screen appears, you need to select and use add from that screen and it won't keep dissappearing on you.

Now! I have Two columns, FADE and TRANSITIONs. the FADE has only a few defaulted choices, also like their titling where I want Song Title and Artist and I can only choose Artist and Song Title, just reverse of what I want and no way to custom it to what I want. anyways, I go to the selected FADEs and it shows me only different type of soft to loud intro or loud to soft fading or a sudden start or end. So I picked the sudden start and end and then went to transitions. I selected 5 seconds and chose the bottom of the two graphics thinking it meant OVER LAP and clicked on the little speaker, it seems to be ok, then I selected QUICK SOUND EDITOR and here is where you will need three college Degrees and still come up short. Forget any Quick Help functions here or sliding your cursor for descriptions other than titles. Here is where we see the ole familiar Fade In and Fade Out but preselected types and trimming.  Wow! alot of work to accomplish what use to be done with just a couple of easy clicks and I am still not happy with the results as compared to Ver 7.5 or earlier.

I think I will dump this Version 9 and go back to 7.5 it was sooooo much more friendly and I was able to do more with it. This version really SUCKS to say the least and it is NOT an advancement by any stretch of the imagination but rather a chaotic mass of tasks that are cut short from accomplishing anything effectively and easily. Thy need to get rid of their NEW designers and hire back the folks who had simple answers in the older versions.  

I did find that if you RIGHT CLICK on the first song and then select SELECT ALL then when you select the 5 second transition or the type of transition it will go to ALL. Just doesn't seem as easy.
  

Edited by Wingwiper, 12 October 2007 - 06:30 AM.

[DeeTeeDub]

myguggi

You are right, I have gotten that response a few times.

sknis

That is an even longer drawn out process.

DeeTeeDub

I have used many different versions of Sonic/Roxio and I too have found that with each NEW version, the simplicity of a task in an older version has been translated to chaos. Why do they mess with something that worked so easily before, I do not know.

I have the program in front of me and I have been trying to do what you want for awhile now. Ver 7.5. was a piece of cake and you selected and you did it and you had a nice view to show you what you did or are doing.

I have Music Disc Creator open, for it seems to be the closest thing we will get where we can add transitions and volume changes etc. Now with Roxio's almighty way of thinking they have replaced the two simple choices of Gap or fade where the user would put in the time and then select ADD TO ALL SELECTIONS in such an USER FRIENDLY SCREEN to a 3 College degree confused chaotic mess.

alright I ADDED my AUDIO TRACKS easy enough here, need to be careful here, when the Add music screen appears, you need to select and use add from that screen and it won't keep dissappearing on you.

Now! I have Two columns, FADE and TRANSITIONs. the FADE has only a few defaulted choices, also like their titling where I want Song Title and Artist and I can only choose Artist and Song Title, just reverse of what I want and no way to custom it to what I want. anyways, I go to the selected FADEs and it shows me only different type of soft to loud intro or loud to soft fading or a sudden start or end. So I picked the sudden start and end and then went to transitions. I selected 5 seconds and chose the bottom of the two graphics thinking it meant OVER LAP and clicked on the little speaker, it seems to be ok, then I selected QUICK SOUND EDITOR and here is where you will need three college Degrees and still come up short. Forget any Quick Help functions here or sliding your cursor for descriptions other than titles. Here is where we see the ole familiar Fade In and Fade Out but preselected types and trimming.  Wow! alot of work to accomplish what use to be done with just a couple of easy clicks and I am still not happy with the results as compared to Ver 7.5 or earlier.

I think I will dump this Version 9 and go back to 7.5 it was sooooo much more friendly and I was able to do more with it. This version really SUCKS to say the least and it is NOT an advancement by any stretch of the imagination but rather a chaotic mass of tasks that are cut short from accomplishing anything effectively and easily. Thy need to get rid of their NEW designers and hire back the folks who had simple answers in the older versions.  

I did find that if you RIGHT CLICK on the first song and then select SELECT ALL then when you select the 5 second transition or the type of transition it will go to ALL. Just doesn't seem as easy.
  

Hey guys,

I did as "sknis" suggested and used Sound Editor, and even though it works, it is even more user unfriendly than anything I've ever seen.  I did a test with just two tracks to see if I could get it to overlap and mix without any kind of fading ... and it worked!  However, it took me longer timewise to create this little two track CD than it did when I was making fifteen track CD's with the old CD Creator.  

I agree completely with "Wingwiper" that every edition of this program seems to be more and more chaotic not to mention that they take away more creativity and seem to be stuck on letting the program automatically decide for you what you want (whether you like it or not).

I think the best version was Easy CD Creator 5.  I wish somebody would write a update and make that version Vista compatible.

At least Wingwiper has the ability to go back to 7.5.  I don't even have that option.  If you try to install EMC 7 or ECD Creator 5 in Vista it automatically cancels the install because the drivers are too old and aren't compatible.

Has anybody tried Sound Forge Studio 9 from Sony?

--DeeTeeDub