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#1 cougarsfb

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Posted 11 October 2007 - 06:50 PM

I am attempting to create a high lite film for a football team.  I used the Sony Handy cam software to burn the captured vidoe  to dvd.  I then was able to see each play as a seperate chapter.  I selected the plays I wanted and used the import feature to save them.  I used the default settings for mpg files on the import.  I then added some transitions and cut down the plays to size using video wave.  When I attempt to burn the DVD the output is what I have termed shaky and when there is motion the picture becomes blurry.  Roxio support has suggested updating the DIRECTX which I have done,  check the video drivers, which are current and then turn off all programs through msconfig.  I have done that and the output is still bad.  The original disk from the camera quality is good, so either I am importing something wrong or the rendering to dvd is wrong.  

Any one have a clue?    

Using an Lenovo T60 Dual processor laptop with DVD Burner and 2 GB memory.  Plenty of hard drive space.   The DVD can copy the original disk and playback is fine so I have eliminated the dvd burner hardware as a possiblilty.  I have tried software rendering and that helps but the quailty is still bad.  I have even tried to use progressive instead of interlace, and that stops the "shaking"  but the people still get blurry when moving.  

Thanks for any suggestions.

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Posted 11 October 2007 - 07:01 PM

QUOTE (cougarsfb @ Oct 11 2007, 10:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I am attempting to create a high lite film for a football team.  I used the Sony Handy cam software to burn the captured vidoe  to dvd.  I then was able to see each play as a seperate chapter.  I selected the plays I wanted and used the import feature to save them.  I used the default settings for mpg files on the import.  I then added some transitions and cut down the plays to size using video wave.  When I attempt to burn the DVD the output is what I have termed shaky and when there is motion the picture becomes blurry.  Roxio support has suggested updating the DIRECTX which I have done,  check the video drivers, which are current and then turn off all programs through msconfig.  I have done that and the output is still bad.  The original disk from the camera quality is good, so either I am importing something wrong or the rendering to dvd is wrong.  

Any one have a clue?    

Using an Lenovo T60 Dual processor laptop with DVD Burner and 2 GB memory.  Plenty of hard drive space.   The DVD can copy the original disk and playback is fine so I have eliminated the dvd burner hardware as a possiblilty.  I have tried software rendering and that helps but the quailty is still bad.  I have even tried to use progressive instead of interlace, and that stops the "shaking"  but the people still get blurry when moving.  

Thanks for any suggestions.


I don't quite understand what you mean by this statement; "I used the Sony Handy cam software to burn the captured vidoe  to dvd". Does you camera record directly to a DVD? Or did you first "capture" the video from your camera to your PC and then burn it to DVD?

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Posted 11 October 2007 - 07:01 PM

How long (time wise) is the project?
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Posted 12 October 2007 - 05:39 AM

Sorry if I didn't explain that.   The camera is a hard drive camera that comes with its own software package named Imagemixer.  The camera connects to the computer and I am able to use their software to burn a dvd.  When I play that DVD the quality is fine.    I then use that burnt DVD to capture individual chapters from the dvd.  

The current length of the DVD film is about 37 minutes.  

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Posted 12 October 2007 - 07:53 AM

QUOTE (cougarsfb @ Oct 12 2007, 09:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sorry if I didn't explain that.   The camera is a hard drive camera that comes with its own software package named Imagemixer.  The camera connects to the computer and I am able to use their software to burn a dvd.  When I play that DVD the quality is fine.    I then use that burnt DVD to capture individual chapters from the dvd.  

The current length of the DVD film is about 37 minutes.  

thanks


In what format is the video on the camera hard drive? Why not copy the video to your PC and then bring it into Videowave or myDVD for editing and burning?  Burning to DVD, capturing and burning again could very well reduce the video quality because of the different ucompressing and uncompressing involved.

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Posted 12 October 2007 - 09:38 AM

When the camera imports them into the computer, they are mpg files.   I tried that is not working either.  Same results of bad "shaky" video and when players move they get blurry.   Watching on PC seems to be ok.  I am thinking it might be something with the way I am choosing to burn the DVD.

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Posted 12 October 2007 - 10:32 AM

QUOTE (cougarsfb @ Oct 12 2007, 01:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
When the camera imports them into the computer, they are mpg files.   I tried that is not working either.  Same results of bad "shaky" video and when players move they get blurry.   Watching on PC seems to be ok.  I am thinking it might be something with the way I am choosing to burn the DVD.


I don't have EMC 9 installed (running EMC 10) but I think the burn options are very similar. Could you list the steps you are taking to burn the DVD using myDVD. What burn quality are you selecting?

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Posted 12 October 2007 - 12:50 PM

QUOTE (cougarsfb @ Oct 12 2007, 12:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
When the camera imports them into the computer, they are mpg files.   I tried that is not working either.  Same results of bad "shaky" video and when players move they get blurry.   Watching on PC seems to be ok.  I am thinking it might be something with the way I am choosing to burn the DVD.


Try using software rendering. In MyDVD, click on Tools/Options, then click in circle to left of Software.
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Posted 13 October 2007 - 07:53 PM

QUOTE (grandpabruce @ Oct 12 2007, 12:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Try using software rendering. In MyDVD, click on Tools/Options, then click in circle to left of Software.


I have attempted using software rendering.  Seems like it is better but the picture does not seem to be as clear as it was when I see it on dvd.    I copied some of the files from the camera directly on the computer.   I added it to the production  and burnt to disk and then output did not seem to change.  

Steps I take to make this production and burn.

With the DVD movie in the dvd drive I view the movie and keep track at which chapters is a play I want to show.  
Using Roxio Media Import with Video tab I am able to select the individual chapters from the movie.  each play is a chapter.   I carefully select each chapter from the list that I created earlier.  For capture settings I am showing there are 3 settings.  MPEG ( which I can not change the settings)  DivX or WMV9 which would let me change the settings.    I am not sure which is best so I choose MPEG, since that seems to be the same file type on the camera.  Then I click on import Now.   the files are saved to the hard drive.  The properties of the files show it is an MPEG-2 Data rate of 9016 and then the size.  The frame size is 720x480 pixels and the frame rate is 29.97.  The compression is Roxio MPEG2 Video Decoder.  I am not real concerned about the audio, since I usually just mute that and put in background audio of music.  I then start a new production of video, edit video and choose 4:3  I then add all the files into the production and add transitions, text and background music. I then save it as game1, game2 etc. after  Each game is it's own project.  

I then create a MyDVD9 Project and add buttons and stuff using directions from post http://forums.support.roxio.com/index.php?showtopic=7215  posted by Merv.  

When done I click on the BURN icon.  

Under application settings render using:  I have Software selected.    Under project settings I have 4:3  Standard NTSC  Movie Buttons is play movie only is selected.  Constrain Button aspect ratio is selected.   I have High quality, Video 720 x 480  Bitrate is All the way up at 9.00  I have tried both interlace and progressive,  Progressive seems to work better, but I am unsure of the consequences.   audio is Dolby Digital AC3  with Bitrate at 338 Kb/s

When I burn the DVD I  burn it to an image file of overall.iso   I then use the copy Burn Image to burn the disk to a dvd.  

That is as much detail I can recall.   thanks for all your help.

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Posted 13 October 2007 - 08:22 PM

Sounds like you are doing everything correctly.  I only have one question:  When you were creating the ISO, di dyou see the movie in the little preview during that process?  Or did you see a small gray  preview with the word - MPEG?  

If you saw the entire movie during this process, MyDVD is re-encoding for some reason which could decrease the quality.

If you saw the gray preview, MyDVD is NOT encoding and you should have the original quality. See below.  The only other possibility would be if Media Import did some sort of encoding when you transferred the files from the original disc.

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Posted 13 October 2007 - 09:27 PM

QUOTE (ggrussell @ Oct 13 2007, 08:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sounds like you are doing everything correctly.  I only have one question:  When you were creating the ISO, di dyou see the movie in the little preview during that process?  Or did you see a small gray  preview with the word - MPEG?  

If you saw the entire movie during this process, MyDVD is re-encoding for some reason which could decrease the quality.

If you saw the gray preview, MyDVD is NOT encoding and you should have the original quality. See below.  The only other possibility would be if Media Import did some sort of encoding when you transferred the files from the original disc.



Thats the thing.  I see most of the movie in the preview window, and then every once is a while I see the MPEG thing like you said.  I thought maybe it was an error or the machine was getting too busy to keep up with the preview.   Did not realize that whas actually telling encoding versus not encoding.   The only other thing I can think of is I injected a bitmap file into each movie at the begining to show which game it was.

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Posted 14 October 2007 - 01:38 PM

The bitmap would have to be encoded for sure.  If the rest of the time you saw the gray preview, that tells you those parts are not being encoded so 'should' be original quality.  

Possibility that Media Import was reencoding during capture.  Did that take awhile?  Might try just copying the VOB files from the DVD onto your hard drive and using those in MyDVD, but you would most likely have to do some editing because you lose chapters that way. Each VOB isn't necessarily one chapter.
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