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#1 apcipriano

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Posted 13 October 2007 - 08:19 AM

I currently own EasyCreator version 7.5 and was considering the upgrade as well as the expense of going to version 10 now I see the new features it has. I currently an HDV cam which outputs video to 16:9 all the time so that it is letterbox formatted when going through the capture sequence. The camera can't be adjusted to 4:3 so the image looks "squeezed" as a result. On another forum page, someone mentioned to buy a more sophisticated NLE which could convert back to 4:3 in post production. Does anyone using version 10 know if that can be done with their software. Apparently, Premiere or Edius can do it but the cost and the learning curve are serious issues with me. Thanks!

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Posted 13 October 2007 - 01:07 PM

As far as I know, EMC 10 does fully support capture from HDV camcorders.  The 16:9 Hidef file should be retained during capture.

I'm surprised that you could capture HDV at all with EMC 7.5 unless you recorded in standard def and captured as DV AVI.

Edited by ggrussell, 13 October 2007 - 01:09 PM.

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Posted 13 October 2007 - 01:21 PM

QUOTE (ggrussell @ Oct 13 2007, 01:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
As far as I know, EMC 10 does fully support capture from HDV camcorders.  The 16:9 Hidef file should be retained during capture.

I'm surprised that you could capture HDV at all with EMC 7.5 unless you recorded in standard def and captured as DV AVI.

Well, not exactly. The cam or the program downconverted to sd and that's where my problems have been because the result is a squeezed image or, letterboxing which I know a lot of people don't enjoy seeing.
I was wondering if version 10 has the ability to change the aspect ratio again from 16:9 to 4:3 output.
This would be conversion process within the software which, I have been told ,Adobe Premiere does.
Any thoughts? Thanks.

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Posted 13 October 2007 - 01:25 PM

QUOTE (apcipriano @ Oct 13 2007, 04:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well, not exactly. The cam or the program downconverted to sd and that's where my problems have been because the result is a squeezed image or, letterboxing which I know a lot of people don't enjoy seeing.
I was wondering if version 10 has the ability to change the aspect ratio again from 16:9 to 4:3 output.
This would be conversion process within the software which, I have been told ,Adobe Premiere does.
Any thoughts? Thanks.

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In VideoWave, if you click on File/New Production/4:3, then bring in those 16:9 videos, VideoWave will letterbox them.
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Posted 13 October 2007 - 01:48 PM

QUOTE (grandpabruce @ Oct 13 2007, 01:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
In VideoWave, if you click on File/New Production/4:3, then bring in those 16:9 videos, VideoWave will letterbox them.

Bruce....when you "capture video" upon connecting the camera in version 7.5, the program automatically converts the image to letterbox which is NOT the effect I want. The FX-1 in HD records natively at 16:9; you have no choice over the aspect ratio so you can't change it to 4:3. Someone suggested purchasing a program to change the aspect post production but that means running the video all over again, according to this person....bummer! I think the guys at Sony figured everyone had an HD set to play the image on, not true...yet!

So, Version 10 will edit HDV and then what does it output it to? HD or SD for dvd purposes? Thanks Bruce.

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Posted 13 October 2007 - 02:07 PM

You would have to recapture the files using EMC 10.  Any file that wasn't captured correctly can not be corrected in Videowave.  There is no way to force the 4:3 to display as 16:9.

Videowave 10 can down convert to SD if you want to create a standard video DVD.  It also has several HD file output formats. See below.  Unfortunately, there is only one choice if you want HD disc created by MyDVD and that's Blueray.  

If you have a standard DVD player that also accepts DivX HD or WMV HD files, that is also a choice.  I believe those are mostly data DVDs. You would have to know more about your player and what types of discs it will play.

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Posted 13 October 2007 - 03:12 PM

Thanks Gary...7.5 can also downconvert the HD signal to SD but, because the aspect ratio going is 16:9, it either letterboxes the image or squeezes it down so that the image is distorted somewhat. Souds like the same deal with version 10 except that it does HD output now albeit BlueRay. I imagine with HD DVD becoming the winner (I'm hearing that Hollywood is turning toward that format as it is cheaper to stamp out a disk than to BlueRay, then Roxio will get on board too. I have neither BlueRay or HD players yet and like a lot of people, am sitting on the proverbial fence. It reminds me of Betamax and VHS in the 80s with Betamax being the superior player, resolution wise but too expensive to format for commercial movies.

Do I understand that version 10 can do streaming video? I have a high school swim meet to videotape Monday and the parents have asked me to send it over the web so that alums can view it as well online.
If I get 10, can I do it? Thanks!

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Posted 13 October 2007 - 04:29 PM

QUOTE (apcipriano @ Oct 13 2007, 06:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Thanks Gary...7.5 can also downconvert the HD signal to SD but, because the aspect ratio going is 16:9, it either letterboxes the image or squeezes it down so that the image is distorted somewhat. Souds like the same deal with version 10 except that it does HD output now albeit BlueRay. I imagine with HD DVD becoming the winner (I'm hearing that Hollywood is turning toward that format as it is cheaper to stamp out a disk than to BlueRay, then Roxio will get on board too. I have neither BlueRay or HD players yet and like a lot of people, am sitting on the proverbial fence. It reminds me of Betamax and VHS in the 80s with Betamax being the superior player, resolution wise but too expensive to format for commercial movies.

Do I understand that version 10 can do streaming video? I have a high school swim meet to videotape Monday and the parents have asked me to send it over the web so that alums can view it as well online.
If I get 10, can I do it? Thanks!

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Posted 13 October 2007 - 08:03 PM

QUOTE (apcipriano @ Oct 13 2007, 07:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Thanks Gary...7.5 can also downconvert the HD signal to SD but, because the aspect ratio going is 16:9, it either letterboxes the image or squeezes it down so that the image is distorted somewhat. Souds like the same deal with version 10 except that it does ...
Not the same at all.  EMC 10 creates true widescreen formats including when burned to disc. The black bars are NOT encoded into the video.  I'm fairly sure that V8 & 9 burn them correctly, too.

As for streaming, that is a function of the website used. Several formats can be 'streamed' like WMV, MOV and MPEG4. As you can see from the list posted, quite a few of those are supported. I've uploaded files to YouTube and several other site using files created in Videowave.

Just so you understand, standard definition widescreen always has been 720X480 non-square pixels which would appear 'squeezed' if not viewed properly. That is true with ALL standard definition DVDs including commercial DVDs.  This does not apply to HiDef files.

Edited by ggrussell, 13 October 2007 - 08:05 PM.

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Posted 14 October 2007 - 02:59 AM

QUOTE (ggrussell @ Oct 13 2007, 08:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Not the same at all.  EMC 10 creates true widescreen formats including when burned to disc. The black bars are NOT encoded into the video.  I'm fairly sure that V8 & 9 burn them correctly, too.

As for streaming, that is a function of the website used. Several formats can be 'streamed' like WMV, MOV and MPEG4. As you can see from the list posted, quite a few of those are supported. I've uploaded files to YouTube and several other site using files created in Videowave.

Just so you understand, standard definition widescreen always has been 720X480 non-square pixels which would appear 'squeezed' if not viewed properly. That is true with ALL standard definition DVDs including commercial DVDs.  This does not apply to HiDef files.

Great! But can that streaming be "live" and continuous versus videos you completed in Videowave, if you know....

I'm considering purchasing version 10 now but I am concerned that the upgrade may not allow me to finished uncompleted projects in Videowave due to differences in the programs...correct or not?
Please let me know. I've been anticipating recording in HDV for some time but the Roxio program was not out then. Thanks

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Posted 14 October 2007 - 07:12 AM

I'm not sure what you mean by 'live'.  Directly from a camcorder during a live performance?  No ...I don't know of any software that will do that.  I don't even think the news is braodcast 'live' on the net. You would have to tape a performance, edit, output to file and then upload that file to the website for streaming.

You are correct about the 7.5 projects.  You really should finish those in V7.5. Then you can start any future projects in EMC 10.

Edited by ggrussell, 14 October 2007 - 07:14 AM.

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Posted 14 October 2007 - 07:17 AM

QUOTE (apcipriano @ Oct 14 2007, 05:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Great! But can that streaming be "live" and continuous versus videos you completed in Videowave, if you know....

I'm considering purchasing version 10 now but I am concerned that the upgrade may not allow me to finished uncompleted projects in Videowave due to differences in the programs...correct or not?
Please let me know. I've been anticipating recording in HDV for some time but the Roxio program was not out then. Thanks


You can have both EMC 7.5 and EMC 10 on the same computer.  I do, and both programs run well.
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Posted 14 October 2007 - 02:53 PM

QUOTE (grandpabruce @ Oct 14 2007, 07:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You can have both EMC 7.5 and EMC 10 on the same computer.  I do, and both programs run well.

Thanks!

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Posted 14 October 2007 - 03:03 PM

QUOTE (apcipriano @ Oct 14 2007, 05:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Thanks!

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