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[Jet Jock 166]

What do you use in place of Drag-To-Disk in Creator 10?

[grandpabruce]

What do you use in place of Drag-To-Disk in Creator 10?

Use Creator Classic, and NEVER use Drag to Disc to back up any important data.  I won't have it, or any other packet writing software, on my computer.

[lynn98109]

How about a Flash drive (aka Pen / Thumb / Jump / Keychain drive), or an External Hard Drive?

If you absolutely have to try to lose your data with Packet-Writing, try Vista's built-in Packet-Writing, which is allegedly safer.  If you do, let us know how it works (or if it also loses data).

Lynn

[Brendon]

Packet-writing is Vista's default method of writing discs, and the software is  made by Sonic.

[lynn98109]

Packet-writing is Vista's default method of writing discs, and the software is  made by Sonic.

I think it's supposed to be Packet-Writing 2.0, which means it's "improved", or at least different.

Lynn

[Big_Dave]

Storing important non recreatable data in only one place is a bad idea regardless of the media and the method used to back it up.  Backing it up using read after write verification is a good data safe guard practice. Verifying the data after the process is complete is one step further.  Some people tend to erase the HD to install a new OS and have the important data on one CD or DVD "coaster". Then they find out that they can't read the "coaster". Then the real disaster has struck!  I can't wait for the 16gb usb stick to drop in price then I'll buy two.

[lynn98109]

Maybe I'm spoiled by having all those Hard Drives stacked up at interconnection.org (pulls from computers that are sent to the de-construction area), but even then, Hard Drives are CHEAP these days.

It seems reasonable to me to keep the old Hard Drive, and either add another one, or just put the old one in a safe place.  (After backing up things like MyDocs, but then, that should be an ongoing process.)

Lynn

[mkbaird]

I think it's supposed to be Packet-Writing 2.0, which means it's "improved", or at least different.

Lynn

Can you use simple copy and paste or does one have to go trough a big routine to get a file on a DVD or CD?
Thanks,
Marcus

[Brendon]

I think it's supposed to be Packet-Writing 2.0, which means it's "improved", or at least different.

Lynn

You are guessing Lyn, and you're wrong again. You really need hands-on experience here, else you get out of your depth.



It does all sorts, but the standard UDF 2.01 is the default.

[james_hardin]

Can you use simple copy and paste or does one have to go trough a big routine to get a file on a DVD or CD?
Thanks,
Marcus

Marcus: If you have Vista, you tell us… I don't have it, nor do I want it and it seems many manufactures are now offering XP again with new PCs…

But the real question becomes, if it is easy and not reliable what value would you place on 'easy' when you lose all of your data???

[lynn98109]

You are guessing Lyn, and you're wrong again. You really need hands-on experience here, else you get out of your depth.



It does all sorts, but the standard UDF 2.01 is the default.

By "2.0" I was intending to mean "a new-improved form of the item".  It is coincidence it is actually also named "2.0".

No, I haven't tried it and I won't.  I had enough experience at permantly losing files with Packet-Writing to get it thru my thick skull that optical media is NOT a "great-big floppy-disc", and you do NOT have to format before using, and it's safer to use the programs that do NOT format the disc if you want to KEEP the data.

And I consider Vista to be more like WinXP than WinXP is in all the ways I detest WinXP.  I do not plan to be using it.

(And my name is Scots, and has two n's.)

Lynn

Edited by lynn98109, 18 December 2007 - 07:10 AM.

[edjsch]

Use Creator Classic, and NEVER use Drag to Disc to back up any important data.  I won't have it, or any other packet writing software, on my computer.

Where/how can Creator Classic be obtained? It's not listed on Roxio's product page (http://www.roxio.com...dvdburning.html). Is it not a Roxio product?

I've used DirectCD in the past with absolutely no problems (on CD-RWs). Now I've tried D2D (bundled with EMC 9.0 on my new Dell Vostro) with DVD RW's (Memorex). Copied 1.5 GB worth of files (after quick formatting) with no problems. Then tried to add another 1.5 GB or so and got the BSD about 3/4 the way through. (Error: BAD_POOL_CALLER). Tried another DVD and it finished copying, but would not eject (never got the dialog box to select close or not). Had to restart my PC. Just sharing my experience.

(Called Dell first. They suggested reinstalling (after uninstalling). As this rarely works (never has for me), I decided to research first, which is how I came upon this forum.)

Have used DCD for almost 10 years, first with my old, external HP CD-Writer. Thought (apparently mistakenly) that UDF packet writing would work by now. Guess I'll not bother with D2D and back-up temporiarily with RW's, and "permanently" with +R's using Roxio (data) Creator.

[Brendon]

Hi edjsch,

Where/how can Creator Classic be obtained? It's not listed on Roxio's product page (http://www.roxio.com...dvdburning.html). Is it not a Roxio product?

It's an integral part of Easy Media Creator, so you'll have it available to you if you have EMC9.

You had trouble with using D2D on a Memorex disc? There are some here who would cross themselves nervously and caw incessantly that it is all the fault of Drag to Disc, and yet those same wights say the same things about Memorex discs. They will find it hard in your case to work out which is to blame

Have used DCD for almost 10 years, first with my old, external HP CD-Writer. Thought (apparently mistakenly) that UDF packet writing would work by now. Guess I'll not bother with D2D and back-up temporarily with RW's, and "permanently" with +R's using Roxio (data) Creator.

Well spotted!  

Some think UDF packet writing works now, and some don't. Some argue the question with religious zeal, but I think its use as the default in Windows Vista will tell the answer, one way or the other. In the meantime see what Creator Classic will do for you. When doing temporary storage on a rewriteable disc with Creator, you write in "sessions" and erase the whole disc when you want to reuse it.

Regards,
Brendon

[james_hardin]

edjsch: Wrong forum… This is EMC 10 which no longer even includes any packet writer…

EMC 9 D2D has it's quirks compared to previous versions – none of which are Write compatible.

I have an outline of it, here.

But in spite of the assurances of one person here you are the one who is putting your data at risk if you use a packet writer. You loose the data, he loses nothing but his  dwindling creditability…

[lynn98109]

Without arguing that Packet-Writing can fail without warning (been there, done that), I've seen more posts on the Forum from people having problems with Memorex discs than all other brands combined.

Apparently they are not merely inexpensive, they are also cheap.  

Lynn

[gi7omy]

Actually Lynn I'd say the Memorex were expensive - cheap to buy, expensive in the cost of replacing lost data

[edjsch]

Thanks, Brendon.

Oh, so when you say "Easy Media Creator" you are talking about the "normal" (non-UDF) way of creating a CD or DVD, i.e., using the "Roxio [data or whatever] Creator". Correct?

I'm not saying it's a (Memorex) disk problem or a software problem. I just mentioned Memorex to let you guys know it's a "reputable" brand. If the software cannot write to a disk because of disk problems, the software SHOULD handle that gracefully, and NOT give the feared BSD (just as when writing to a bad floppy - but even that USED TO sometimes cause older OS's to hang). Agreed?

Are you saying that if D2D is successful in writing to a disk (as it was for me initially), that the data (might be | is) more volitile (not as securely written) than if the "classic" software is used?

Regards,
Ed

Edited by edjsch, 04 January 2008 - 02:20 PM.

[edjsch]

Sorry, James, about the wrong fourm. I just searched for "drag-to-disk" and found this thread. (Acutally, I couldn't fine a forum called "drag-to-disk crashes computer".)

If EMC 10 trashed D2D, that tells us something. Guess I'll stay away from it. Thanks all.

Ed

[Brendon]

Yes Ed.,

Way back, Easy CD Creator included a "normal" writer called CD Creator, and a UDF packet-writer called Direct CD. Since then Creator has evolved to be "Creator Classic" and Direct CD became Drag to Disc. The packet writer application was dropped from the latest suite [Easy Media Creator 10], either because it was a disaster, or because it was so much of a disaster that it was adopted as  the default writing method in Windows Vista. EMC10 is aimed at Vista.

The traditional method of authoring discs [Creator] is much more universal in format than any of the various flavors of packet writing. It also doesn't 'wear out' rewriteables as fast as packet writers do.

Once written, packet written data are no more volatile than authored data but folk do tend more to use RW discs with packet applications, and those who can't distinguish media failure often blame the software.
Whatever the cause of problems with D2D discs, using "authoring" software on write-once discs is by far the best and most secure and universally readable way to store files on optical discs.

Memorex discs are 'reputable' - it's just that their reputation is mud here.

Regards,
Brendon

[Snoops]

I was considering updating my Easy CD & DVD Creator 6 to Easy Media 10, but if Drag-to-Disc isn't available, I don't think I'll bother.

That's the part I used most after the DVD Creator part.