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[Thales]

VISTA/32b OS.

We recorded an office/work meeting on our new Olympus VN-4100PC Digital Voice Recorder - and down loaded .wav file to the digital wave player program that came with recorder... also copied .wav file to desktop.

When we try to drag file from Windows Explorer into Creator "Audio CD" for burning to CD, a dialog box pops up w/ "(i)...This is not a valid or suppored music file. The following audio file formats are supported: mp3, wma, WAV, cda, flac, mpga, ogg."

The same dialog box pops up when we try to enter the .wav file thru Add Music.

The Olympus recorder records and saves in .wav format, which according to the pop up message is supported.

Tried several times using Creator: na-na.

Burned file to CD thru Windows Media Player; it burns and plays back on PC CD burner/player okay, but fails to playback thru stand-alone stereo system DVD/CD player.

Any assist greatly appreciated.

Thx,

Thales

Edited by Thales, 07 November 2007 - 02:17 PM.

[tbrewst]

It's probably a thing with the sampling rate of the recorded file.Roxio,If I remember correctly,has to use at least an 8K rate.Anything less and it doesn't recognize the file.A lot of personal recorders only use a 4k rate.
Take a look at one of the files.Right click on it,go to properties and then the Summary tab.On there it will show you the stats for that file.Check the bit rate and sampling rate and let us know.

Edited by tbrewst, 07 November 2007 - 02:51 PM.

[Thales]

Thank you for getting back.

88kbps....

Edited by Thales, 07 November 2007 - 05:17 PM.

[jeanrosenfeld]

I think TBrewst's units must be different from the ones normally used, or maybe he was referring to the sample rate rather than the bit rate. The bit rate for a standard audio CD is 1411kbps, sample rate 44100 Hz, 16 bit stereo, so 88kbps is very low.

Try opening it in Sound Editor. If it loads, export current clip as a wav file at a higher bit rate (default is the CD audio standard, but for your file, if you wish to keep the file size down you could use a lower setting by clicking on the options button next to the output settings in the export current clip box, then lower the sample rate (labelled format in the options box, for some unknown reason) to a lower setting and/or change to 8 bits and/or mono instead of stereo).

example: setting sample rate (' format') to 8000Hz, 8 bits per sample, mono, the bit rate is 128kbps, which I think is the lowest setting for wav files that Easy Audio CD or music disc creator will accept (I've checked that they wil accpet 128kbps files).

Note: bit rate = sample rate x bits per sample x number of channels (1 for mono, 2 for stereo).

Edited by jeanrosenfeld, 07 November 2007 - 05:35 PM.

[Thales]

Thank you Jean:

Here's the comic relief: where do I find the "Sound Editor"...?

[cdanteek]

It's under Roxio EMC 9, audio.

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[Thales]

Norman Bates:


Ah-hah! Therein must be part of the issue. I don't have EMC...'tis Roxio Creator Basic v9.

Am I in the wrong discussion group?

The Roxio came as a pre-install on a new HP Media 8100e /HP.

Thx.

[grandpabruce]

Norman Bates:
Ah-hah! Therein must be part of the issue. I don't have EMC...'tis Roxio Creator Basic v9.

Am I in the wrong discussion group?

The Roxio came as a pre-install on a new HP Media 8100e /HP.

Thx.

You're not really in the wrong discussion group, because there is none for the HP version of the software, which is extremely limited in what it can do.

The programs in that OEM version are stripped down versions of the programs, and as you can see, it doesn't contain all of the programs in the real deal.  You could upgrade.

[Thales]

Community:

Apparently, the Sound Editor is included in the update - for which we are eligible IAW nonOEM serial number and Version 9.0.559... Roxio says any version beginning w/ 9 is okay for update.

It'll be interesting: we are remote North Idaho hill people - dialup is the only service available.... Download status currently shows 90 hours remaining. Any suggestions? Is it possible to get an update CD from Roxio?

Thanks for your help.

Best,

Thales

Edited by Thales, 07 November 2007 - 07:20 PM.

[grandpabruce]

Community:

Apparently, the Sound Editor is included in the update - for which we are eligible IAW nonOEM serial number and Version 9.0.559... Roxio says any version beginning w/ 9 is okay for update.

It'll be interesting: we are remote North Idaho hill people - dialup is the only service available.... Download status currently shows 90 hours remaining. Any suggestions? Is it possible to get an update CD from Roxio?

Thanks for your help.

Best,

Thales

You could contact them, but there is no update for version 9 that will work with that OEM version.  You will need to upgrade.

They have broadband down in Rigby, where my son lived, up until a few months ago.

[tbrewst]

You're right Jean I had the wrong term.
Thales,take a look at this

Edited by tbrewst, 09 November 2007 - 05:38 AM.

[jeanrosenfeld]

tbrewst,
Your comment was a bit ambiguous. Did you mean 'You're right Jean, I had the wrong term', or did you mean 'Jean had the wrong term'? if the latter please enlighten me where I went wrong :-).

Thales,

As Sound Editor will not open 4 bit wav files and it seems that is what you have, you could use Goldwave instead. I'm pretty sure it will open them, and you can then do as I suggested, save at a higher bit rate, e.g. 8 bit mono 8000Hz for useable but small file size (no ppoint in going to higher bit rate than the minimum accepatable, as you will not improve the quality, just make a larger file).

You can download free trial version (fully functional; the limit is not counted in days, but in how many times you use it) from

http://www.goldwave.com/

Edited by jeanrosenfeld, 08 November 2007 - 11:31 AM.

[Thales]

Don't have Sound Editor in Basic Version, therefore no Musicmatch Jukebox (per tbrewst link).  

However, I was able to drag the file into Jukebox Disc project window and burn the .wav file to CD... However, it failed playback on stand-alone CD player.

The 360MB upD last PM became untenable on 56kbps dial-up. Gotta go in town next week and may try a BB download to flash stick.

Jean: I'll take a look at Goldwave... thx.

GPaBurce: Good to see other Nam era vet codgers kickin'.... We're North of Rigby - up in the panhandle a stonee throw from Canadian border... North Idaho humor: The Greyhound bus driver got on the intercom and said, "Ladies and gentlemen, we are now entering Idaho, please set your watches back 300 years."

Thanks for all the help, people.

Thales

[grandpabruce]

Don't have Sound Editor in Basic Version, therefore no Musicmatch Jukebox (per tbrewst link).  

However, I was able to drag the file into Jukebox Disc project window and burn the .wav file to CD... However, it failed playback on stand-alone CD player.

The 360MB upD last PM became untenable on 56kbps dial-up. Gotta go in town next week and may try a BB download to flash stick.

Jean: I'll take a look at Goldwave... thx.

GPaBurce: Good to see other Nam era vet codgers kickin'.... We're North of Rigby - up in the panhandle a stonee throw from Canadian border... North Idaho humor: The Greyhound bus driver got on the intercom and said, "Ladies and gentlemen, we are now entering Idaho, please set your watches back 300 years."

Thanks for all the help, people.

Thales

LOL on the humor.  Idaho may be behind the times, but Rigby is home to the inventor of the television, someone with the last name of Farnsworth.

[jeanrosenfeld]

LOL on the humor. Idaho may be behind the times, but Rigby is home to the inventor of the television, someone with the last name of Farnsworth.

Well, in the UK we claim Baird as the inventor of television.

http://www.bairdtelevision.com/

Edited by jeanrosenfeld, 08 November 2007 - 04:53 PM.

[gi7omy]

Well, in the UK we claim Baird as the inventor of television.

Jean - they also believe that the world wide web was invented there as well

[grandpabruce]

Jean - they also believe that the world wide web was invented there as well

Hey, it was!  Al Gore invented it!             

[gi7omy]

Told you so Jean - Tim Bernars-WHO???

btw - the very first url is still up and running here

[Thales]

Jean: Goldwave is the fix, many thx. CD burning perfect, even w/o update.

Any advice on best audio file extension for CD burning... one that will work for most CD players? I've burned two test CDz: one mp3, and one wav.... both playB the same on stand-alone DVD/CD player. Which extension is most common?

Bruce: The myth is gone: the romantic Idaho way of life is extinct. Over the last fifteen years, we have become the favorite redoubt for those dragging in high-toned revisionist politik... Unfortunately, rural/remote people get stuck w/ the tax up-tick w/o a share in technology that would help common folk stay with the curve... Old economy/old-family get forced off the homestead by developers who own no truck with social responsibility. Verizon has been promising broadband for years: only those attached to big-buck gated communities get awarded Slam gear necessary for BB. Part of the problem, many of the hill people are raising kids who won't be able to compete in the brave new, authoritarian world. As the saying goes, "If you're still on dial-up, you're not on the internet." We had a neighborhood meeting looking into paying our own way for a CoOp wireless net. Hope springs eternal.

Want to thank ya all... We intend to upgrade Roxio primarily due to sincere community input on this issue. Ya all are great, and not w/o a sense of humor.

Not sure how to close the thread. We have the issue fixed; from now, it's just a matter of learning the software synthesis between the Olympus Voice Recorder, Goldwave, and Roxio. So if you have the power, da-da-dat's all folks - please close the topic.

Very best,

Thales

[jeanrosenfeld]

Jean: Goldwave is the fix, many thx. CD burning perfect, even w/o update.

Any advice on best audio file extension for CD burning... one that will work for most CD players? I've burned two test CDz: one mp3, and one wav.... both playB the same on stand-alone DVD/CD player. Which extension is most common?

Glad Goldwave solved the problem.

As far as Audio CDs are concerned, they are recorded in PCM format. That is what stand alone audio CD players can play. If you look at the contents of an audio CD, you will not see the original music files, only a 1KB .cda file for each track (which contains the information on where the track is encoded on the disc). So whichever file type you start with, when creating an audio CD (e.g. using music disc creator or Easy Audio CD), they will be converted to that format.

In music disc creator it is also possible to create mp3 discs that play in mp3 players (but not generally in audio CD players). Such a disc does contain the mp3 files as such.