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#1 jreffner

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Posted 16 November 2007 - 07:00 AM

I'd love to know if Jam will be updated or not.  With Toast 8's features closing the gap, I doubt they will, but then again if they are planning to update it, then I'd like to know.

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Posted 19 November 2007 - 05:01 PM

QUOTE (jreffner @ Nov 16 2007, 07:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'd love to know if Jam will be updated or not.  With Toast 8's features closing the gap, I doubt they will, but then again if they are planning to update it, then I'd like to know.

Thanks,

Jim


I would like to know the same thing.

Pat

#3 John Link

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Posted 07 January 2008 - 09:39 PM

Today I bought the download of Toast 8. As far as I can tell, there is nothing that Jam 6 does that Toast 8 can not do, and there are many things Toast 8 can do that Jam 6 can not. I do not think that there will be any more updates of Jam.

I note that Toast 8 has inherited some of the bugs of Jam 6, such as naming tracks incorrectly when opening disk images.

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Edited by John Link, 07 January 2008 - 09:46 PM.


#4 John Link

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Posted 07 January 2008 - 09:58 PM

My quick inspection of Toast 8 seems to have been incomplete. For a report of some features of Jam not included in Toast 8, see this thread: http://forums.support.roxio.com/index.php?showtopic=18403

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Edited by John Link, 07 January 2008 - 10:00 PM.


#5 manmademusic

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Posted 08 January 2008 - 02:16 PM

Hello-

We have been using Jam and Toast for years and up until recently we've been very happy with these products.  However, we are now becoming very frustrated with Jam... we are experiencing a lot of digital distortion and corrupted Jam "sessions".   There hasn't been an update for ages and we are starting to wonder if it will ever be updated.

One issue is that we have many Jam sessions (Jam documents) that we are dependent on being able to open.  These are reels and presentations that we have made in Jam in the past and saved.  We need to be able to open these sessions now and in the future.

Does Toast 8 open Jam sessions?  Is it worth updating to Toast 8?  I already saw the "pro feature" thread so I know some pro features are disabled in Toast 8, but the most important thing for us is being able to open old Jam sessions (docs).

THANKS!!
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Edited by manmademusic, 08 January 2008 - 02:20 PM.


#6 John Link

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Posted 08 January 2008 - 02:24 PM

Toast 8 does NOT open Jam session files. It may be worth getting Toast 8 for features such as being able to backup across multiple volumes, but you'd better hang on to your Jam 6.

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Posted 08 January 2008 - 06:19 PM

I note that Jam is not listed on the products page: http://www.roxio.com/enu/products/allproducts.html

I'd sure like to see an update that fixed some bugs, including those I've reported, but I expect that there will not be one.

Roxio, can we get some sort of official word?

John Link

Edited by John Link, 08 January 2008 - 06:22 PM.


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Posted 14 January 2008 - 09:29 PM

Roxio, are you there? Your two-month lack of response to the question about whether Jam is dead suggests, at the least, that you are asleep.

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Posted 09 February 2008 - 01:25 PM

Toast 8 has SOME of the features of Jam, but lacks some important features that pro users need.  You can't print a text file of your session.  Even if you could, Toast doesn't display all the information you would need, like gap, start time, end time, file length.  Hang on to your copy of Jam.  It doesn't look like Roxio is doing any further development since they rolled many of the Jam features into Toast 8.  Let's just keep after them and hope that they put the rest of the pro features into Toast or reconsider and bring back a better version of Jam.

I would really like a program like Wave Burner Pro.  It did everything.  You could put plug-ins on tracks or the whole mix, insert IDs and indexes anywhere you wanted, you could print the session data with the PQ info and it had a waveform based interface which was really cool and easy to use.  Sadly, it died when OS X came along.  I would love to see Jam come back with a feature set like Wave Burner Pro had.



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Posted 09 February 2008 - 03:21 PM

QUOTE (lush1 @ Feb 9 2008, 04:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I would really like a program like Wave Burner Pro.  It did everything.  You could put plug-ins on tracks or the whole mix, insert IDs and indexes anywhere you wanted, you could print the session data with the PQ info and it had a waveform based interface which was really cool and easy to use.  Sadly, it died when OS X came along.  I would love to see Jam come back with a feature set like Wave Burner Pro had.


I'm still using a stand-alone version of WaveBurner Pro in OS 9 on my dual-boot Cube.

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Posted 10 February 2008 - 03:24 AM

QUOTE (John Link @ Jan 8 2008, 02:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Toast 8 does NOT open Jam session files. It may be worth getting Toast 8 for features such as being able to backup across multiple volumes, but you'd better hang on to your Jam 6.

John Link


Cumbersome workaround (kind of- sill requires JAM to do this but of some it may be worth archiving your JAM sessions this way): Open your JAM sessions and Save As Disc Image. You can open the disc image in Toast and it will have pause, ISRC, CD-Text and UPC subchannels embedded and viewable in Toast 8.

Not that useful for me as I have MANY HUNDREDS of sessions archived in the JAM playlist format, but still good to know.
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Posted 29 April 2008 - 06:41 PM

I just noticed that the Jam discussion is included in Legacy Mac Products.


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Posted 17 May 2008 - 09:40 PM

And Toast 9 with it's latest Jam-style crossfading is useless. On playing back the playlist of crossfaded tracks in the main window, there are dropouts at every track transition point. Utterly worthless, but they're hanging onto my $100 anyway. I'm ashamed to have been a customer of these people for so many years.

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Posted 18 May 2008 - 11:08 PM

QUOTE (Sir Cecil @ May 17 2008, 10:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And Toast 9 with it's latest Jam-style crossfading is useless. On playing back the playlist of crossfaded tracks in the main window, there are dropouts at every track transition point. Utterly worthless, but they're hanging onto my $100 anyway. I'm ashamed to have been a customer of these people for so many years.

The problems Sir Cecil is having with Toast 9 is not happening on my Macbook Pro running 10.5.2. The safest approach is to buy Toast 9 as a download from Roxio because they have a refund policy if users are unsatisfied and want to delete the software within a certain number of days.
I'm just a fellow Toast-user so please don't blame Roxio for any misguidance I may provide. And do let me know if your issue gets solved. Cheers from Eugene, Oregon!




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