I cannot log in to my Roxio account and I cannot update Toast 8. My email and password are correct. Was not giving a password or email error, just would not log in. What is happen?
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, Jan 14 2008 07:18 AM
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Posted 14 January 2008 - 07:26 AM
Server problems, which seem to be getting worse.
No idea when anything will be corrected
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Posted 14 January 2008 - 09:57 AM
QUOTE (coolpix41 @ Jan 14 2008, 09:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I cannot log in to my Roxio account and I cannot update Toast 8. My email and password are correct. Was not giving a password or email error, just would not log in. What is happen?
Try using the "forgot password link". You will get an e-mail. Use the old password. This worked for me and some others.
Regardless of what I say about computer maintenance, there is no need to defrag a solid state hard drive.
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Posted 14 January 2008 - 10:04 AM
QUOTE (sknis @ Jan 14 2008, 11:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Try using the "forgot password link". You will get an e-mail. Use the old password. This worked for me and some others.
Yes, that worked for me but I can only view the Forum Boards with Firefox. IE 6 still gives me this crash and burn....
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Posted 14 January 2008 - 10:29 AM
It worked for me, too. And, IE 6 doesn't work with these forums for me, either. I too, use Firefox.
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Posted 14 January 2008 - 10:57 AM
QUOTE (coolpix41 @ Jan 14 2008, 07:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I cannot log in to my Roxio account and I cannot update Toast 8. My email and password are correct. Was not giving a password or email error, just would not log in. What is happen?
Go to Roxio My Account 
and log in...and it will come up with
the page where you should be logged in..
Click on Solutions at the top..
and click on Roxio Labs.....http://www.roxio.com/enu/solutions/roxiolabs/default.html
and then click on Forums..and hey Presto
You are logged in....
Try it...
It has worked for me..I am using IE7 and logging at home
and log in...and it will come up with
the page where you should be logged in..
Click on Solutions at the top..
and click on Roxio Labs.....http://www.roxio.com/enu/solutions/roxiolabs/default.html
and then click on Forums..and hey Presto
You are logged in....
Try it...
It has worked for me..I am using IE7 and logging at home
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Posted 14 January 2008 - 11:06 AM
The majority of problems with IE appears to be IE6 with many who use IE7 reporting no problems logging in.
Another report I've gotten word of today is the 'server busy' message. We need to continue to be patient and hope this is working correctly soon.
Another report I've gotten word of today is the 'server busy' message. We need to continue to be patient and hope this is working correctly soon.
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Posted 14 January 2008 - 12:01 PM
QUOTE (Ijar @ Jan 14 2008, 02:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Go to Roxio My Account
and log in...and it will come up with
the page where you should be logged in..
Click on Solutions at the top..
and click on Roxio Labs.....http://www.roxio.com/enu/solutions/roxiolabs/default.html
and then click on Forums..and hey Presto
You are logged in....
Try it...
It has worked for me..I am using IE7 and logging at home
and log in...and it will come up with
the page where you should be logged in..
Click on Solutions at the top..
and click on Roxio Labs.....http://www.roxio.com/enu/solutions/roxiolabs/default.html
and then click on Forums..and hey Presto
You are logged in....
Try it...
It has worked for me..I am using IE7 and logging at home
Didn't work for me. Firefox at home is still the only browser I can use, Firefox, IE6 at work, and IE7 at home are still broke for me.
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Posted 14 January 2008 - 12:07 PM
QUOTE (marlinsinger @ Jan 14 2008, 12:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Didn't work for me. Firefox at home is still the only browser I can use, Firefox, IE6 at work, and IE7 at home are still broke for me.
Sorry...
I just tried it again..
and straight on..no probs..
I just tried it again..
and straight on..no probs..
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Posted 14 January 2008 - 12:16 PM
Ijar,
When I read your post, the entire thing covers my 17 inch monitor. By the time I scroll past your post, IE is already on the verge of crashing.
When I read your post, the entire thing covers my 17 inch monitor. By the time I scroll past your post, IE is already on the verge of crashing.
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Posted 14 January 2008 - 01:57 PM
The system specs in your signature are meant to be a brief summary of the major parts of your system which might be a factor in using the software. They're not really intended to be a brag list, Ijar.
Can you shorten your sig. a bit? Taking three lines for your operating system and two for your CPU is a bit OTT when all the important things could fit in a couple of lines total.
Thank you,
Brendon
Can you shorten your sig. a bit? Taking three lines for your operating system and two for your CPU is a bit OTT when all the important things could fit in a couple of lines total.
Thank you,
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Posted 14 January 2008 - 02:12 PM
QUOTE (Ijar @ Jan 14 2008, 03:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sorry...
I just tried it again..
and straight on..no probs..
I just tried it again..
and straight on..no probs..
Please don't center your posts on the page, you're not writing poetry
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Posted 14 January 2008 - 02:17 PM
QUOTE (Ijar @ Jan 14 2008, 02:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sorry...
I just tried it again..
and straight on..no probs..
I just tried it again..
and straight on..no probs..
You might want to stop posting with centered text.
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Posted 14 January 2008 - 02:19 PM
QUOTE (grandpabruce @ Jan 14 2008, 02:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You might want to stop posting with centered text.
Point taken...
Ok will do
Sorry
Edited by Ijar, 14 January 2008 - 03:04 PM.
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Yesterday is history...Tomorrow is a mystery...Today is a gift...That's why it's called the present.
Yesterday is where the past is always present
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Hate bigheaded people who make fun of others...it's the meanest thing one could do.
Getting an answer is one thing, learning is another.
==
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woof woof
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Yesterday is history...Tomorrow is a mystery...Today is a gift...That's why it's called the present.
Yesterday is where the past is always present
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Hate bigheaded people who make fun of others...it's the meanest thing one could do.
Getting an answer is one thing, learning is another.
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Posted 14 January 2008 - 03:06 PM
QUOTE (Brendon @ Jan 14 2008, 01:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The system specs in your signature are meant to be a brief summary of the major parts of your system which might be a factor in using the software. They're not really intended to be a brag list, Ijar.
Can you shorten your sig. a bit? Taking three lines for your operating system and two for your CPU is a bit OTT when all the important things could fit in a couple of lines total.
Thank you,
Brendon
Can you shorten your sig. a bit? Taking three lines for your operating system and two for your CPU is a bit OTT when all the important things could fit in a couple of lines total.
Thank you,
Brendon
Sorry was not bragging...
Not at all
Can't do anything right...
Can I...
Edited by Ijar, 14 January 2008 - 03:08 PM.
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Yesterday is history...Tomorrow is a mystery...Today is a gift...That's why it's called the present.
Yesterday is where the past is always present
==
Hate bigheaded people who make fun of others...it's the meanest thing one could do.
Getting an answer is one thing, learning is another.
==
Roxio Creator 2010 Pro
Laptop:
Windows 7 Home Premium
Roxio Creator 2012 Pro
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woof woof==
Yesterday is history...Tomorrow is a mystery...Today is a gift...That's why it's called the present.
Yesterday is where the past is always present
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Hate bigheaded people who make fun of others...it's the meanest thing one could do.
Getting an answer is one thing, learning is another.
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Posted 14 January 2008 - 04:02 PM
QUOTE (Ijar @ Jan 14 2008, 03:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sorry was not bragging...
Not at all
Can't do anything right...
Can I...
Not at all
Can't do anything right...
Can I...
Now you've cut it too short. Take a look at how some of the others have their specs.
Here's what cdanteek has written:
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CPU Intel P100
16 MB Ram
Graphics adapter ATI Ultra AX0 video card
SoundBlaster 8-bit
1-gig Western Digital 5400rpm IDE hard disk
Double-speed CD-ROM drive
16 MB Ram
Graphics adapter ATI Ultra AX0 video card
SoundBlaster 8-bit
1-gig Western Digital 5400rpm IDE hard disk
Double-speed CD-ROM drive
(He says he still has the computer in question, but I don't think it's the one he uses for EMC 10.)
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Posted 14 January 2008 - 04:16 PM
Thanks everyone for your good intentions, and to Ijar. I've sent a PM to Ijar to explain, so hopefully all will be well without further intervention.
Regards,
Brendon
Regards,
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