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#1 Reginna

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Posted 19 January 2008 - 01:32 PM

I transfer vhs, 8mm and 8mm reel to reel for a living. I have Roxio 10. I did a job before Christmas that entailed 16 DVDs after transfer and then i made copies. Well my worst nightmare came true, she said that NONE of the disks worked. I have a Phillips DVD player and they all worked. Those DVD's were DVD+
I made her a copy on a DVD - she said that it worked in her Zenith and jumped, stop etc on their phillips. Can anyone tell me if a  blank DVD+/- is made and if so where can I find it.

If that is not possible how or where can I get information on what type of DVD can be played on what brand player.
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Posted 19 January 2008 - 01:52 PM

Hi Reginna,

Sorry, but due to the conflicting "standards" you can't make a DVD that is both 'plus' and 'dash'.

I and several of my friends have tried for ages to get information on what types of discs various players want to see, but it is very hard to find out what one particular model of one particular brand of player likes, let alone a list of all models of that one brand or all brands. Because of that it seems very hit-and-miss.

DVD+ discs can have their 'booktype' set on many drives, either through a special utility which comes with the drive or through programs such as DVDInfo or DVDInfoPro which come with Easy Media Creator 9. Setting the booktype to "DVD-ROM" in this way gives a much better chance of compatibility with older DVD players. DVD- discs cannot have their booktype modified.

Hope this helps,

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#3 Reginna

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Posted 19 January 2008 - 02:16 PM

QUOTE (Brendon @ Jan 19 2008, 01:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hi Reginna,

Sorry, but due to the conflicting "standards" you can't make a DVD that is both 'plus' and 'dash'.

I and several of my friends have tried for ages to get information on what types of discs various players want to see, but it is very hard to find out what one particular model of one particular brand of player likes, let alone a list of all models of that one brand or all brands. Because of that it seems very hit-and-miss.

DVD+ discs can have their 'booktype' set on many drives, either through a special utility which comes with the drive or through programs such as DVDInfo or DVDInfoPro which come with Easy Media Creator 9. Setting the booktype to "DVD-ROM" in this way gives a much better chance of compatibility with older DVD players. DVD- discs cannot have their booktype modified.

Hope this helps,

Brendon




I have been transferring straight off off the tape onto the dVd. Would it be best to put it on my hard drive and convert to an mpeg format before burning or does that make a difference? Also thanks for the above information it does help.




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Edited by Brendon, 19 January 2008 - 03:30 PM.


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Posted 19 January 2008 - 02:36 PM

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I have been transferring straight off off the tape onto the dVd. Would it be best to put it on my hard drive and convert to an mpeg format before burning or does that make a difference? Also thanks for the above information it does help.


I would output to DVD best quality and make a ISO Image or DVD Video Folder Set, yes on the hard drive. Then use Video Copy and Convert to burn it to disc.

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Posted 19 January 2008 - 02:38 PM

QUOTE (cdanteek @ Jan 19 2008, 02:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I would output to DVD best quality and make a ISO Image or DVD Video Folder Set, yes on the hard drive. Then use Video Copy and Convert to burn it to disc.

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Thank you will let you know how it works out.

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Posted 19 January 2008 - 03:05 PM

QUOTE (Brendon @ Jan 19 2008, 03:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hi Reginna,

Sorry, but due to the conflicting "standards" you can't make a DVD that is both 'plus' and 'dash'.

I and several of my friends have tried for ages to get information on what types of discs various players want to see, but it is very hard to find out what one particular model of one particular brand of player likes, let alone a list of all models of that one brand or all brands. Because of that it seems very hit-and-miss.

DVD+ discs can have their 'booktype' set on many drives, either through a special utility which comes with the drive or through programs such as DVDInfo or DVDInfoPro which come with Easy Media Creator 9. Setting the booktype to "DVD-ROM" in this way gives a much better chance of compatibility with older DVD players. DVD- discs cannot have their booktype modified.

Hope this helps,

Brendon


Just to add to what you said, DVD-R discs don't need to be book typed.  They are already DVD-ROM.  And, not all burners have the ability to book type DVD+R discs, which tricks set top DVD players to read them as DVD-ROM discs.  And no software can make the non-book type burners, book type.
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Posted 19 January 2008 - 03:19 PM

QUOTE (grandpabruce @ Jan 19 2008, 05:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Just to add to what you said, DVD-R discs don't need to be book typed.  They are already DVD-ROM.  And, not all burners have the ability to book type DVD+R discs, which tricks set top DVD players to read them as DVD-ROM discs.  And no software can make the non-book type burners, book type.



Mr Bruce,
a DVD -R is a DVD -R after burned and looked at in any disc info tool. A DVD + R is a DVD +R after burned and looked at in any disc info tool.

A DVD +R,  DVD + RW, and DVD +R DL with setting the booktype to DVD -Rom produces a DVD -Rom after burned and looked at in any disc info tool!  

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Posted 19 January 2008 - 03:36 PM

QUOTE (grandpabruce @ Jan 19 2008, 03:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Just to add to what you said, DVD-R discs don't need to be book typed.  They are already DVD-ROM.

Sorry Bruce,

That's quite wrong!  They are DVD-R, which is quite a different booktype from DVD-ROM, and they cannot be modified.

This is another reason why DVD+R discs are so much more versatile. They can be modified to show the DVD-ROM booktype which is normally only carried by pressed discs, and which the older DVD players look for.

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Posted 19 January 2008 - 03:55 PM

QUOTE (Brendon @ Jan 19 2008, 05:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sorry Bruce,

That's quite wrong!  They are DVD-R, which is quite a different booktype from DVD-ROM, and they cannot be modified.

This is another reason why DVD+R discs are so much more versatile. They can be modified to show the DVD-ROM booktype which is normally only carried by pressed discs, and which the older DVD players look for.

Regards,
Brendon


The terminology may be wrong, but the older set top DVD players, were made when they would only read -R discs.  With the advent of book type settings, those older players can read +R discs.  That is the point that I was trying to make.
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Posted 19 January 2008 - 04:35 PM

There seems to be little value in adding wrong information to somebody's post. That's what we've been trying to tell someone else for ages. It just muddies the water.

Still, I think I now understand the point you were trying to make. smile.gif

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Posted 19 January 2008 - 04:47 PM

QUOTE (cdanteek @ Jan 19 2008, 05:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Mr Bruce,
a DVD -R is a DVD -R after burned and looked at in any disc info tool. A DVD + R is a DVD +R after burned and looked at in any disc info tool.

A DVD +R,  DVD + RW, and DVD +R DL with setting the booktype to DVD -Rom produces a DVD -Rom after burned and looked at in any disc info tool!  

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And, the sole reason for book typing is to trick the DVD player into playing the movie on the disc.  Correct?
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Posted 19 January 2008 - 04:48 PM

QUOTE (Brendon @ Jan 19 2008, 06:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
There seems to be little value in adding wrong information to somebody's post. That's what we've been trying to tell someone else for ages. It just muddies the water.

Still, I think I now understand the point you were trying to make. smile.gif

Regards,
Brendon


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Edited by grandpabruce, 20 January 2008 - 05:50 AM.

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