Roxio Community: Delays Between Tracks - Roxio Community

Jump to content

Roxio Community
  • (2 Pages)
  • +
  • 1
  • 2
  • You cannot start a new topic
  • You cannot reply to this topic

Delays Between Tracks

#1 User is offline   nightguy6580 

  • Newbie
  • Pip
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 1
  • Joined: 04-March 08

Posted 04 March 2008 - 01:09 PM

i am trying to burn a cd with no delays between tracks. i drag my files over to copy to a cd but i want it to play continusely without a delay how do i make it so it doesnt burn with delays
0

#2 User is offline   d_deweywright 

  • Digital Guru
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Digital Guru
  • Posts: 12,159
  • Joined: 04-January 06
  • Gender:Male

Posted 05 March 2008 - 08:52 AM

QUOTE (nightguy6580 @ Mar 4 2008, 04:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
i am trying to burn a cd with no delays between tracks. i drag my files over to copy to a cd but i want it to play continusely without a delay how do i make it so it doesnt burn with delays

Can you tell us exactly how you're doing that? Are you starting Easy Media Creator and clicking "Music Disc" from the home screen? Are you starting Music Disc Creator? What version/edition of EMC (Easy Media Creator) do you have? (If it came pre-installed on your computer you have an OEM version that probably doesn't have Music Disc Creator.)

Or are you dragging the files to the drive in Windows Explorer and letting Windows handle writing the disc?

EMC 9 no longer has a way to write a disc in Track-At-Once mode that adds a 2 second gap between tracks. Are you getting a full 2 second gap, or just a short drop-out "blip" between tracks?

Also, what are you starting with for audio tracks, .MP3 files you've created? Downloaded/purchased .WMA files? .WAV files?

The answer to your question requires you to give us much more information than you have. So, let us know exactly what you're doing and how you're doing it, and hopefully we can give you an informed answer.
Dave D-W

Beware the lollipop of mediocrity. Lick it once and you'll suck forever. - Brian Wilson

[
GIGABYTE GA-MA785GM-US2H MB | Athlon II X3 440 (3.0 GHz) | 2GB DDR2 RAM | 1-500GB HD (C: XP, G: Win7, D: - Apps, E: data & apps), 1-500 GB HD Data) | 2 - LiteOn DH20A4P DVD burners | External Dell QFlix DX-20A6Q DVD +/- writer | Windows 7 | Creator 2010 | Tektronix Phaser 850 solid ink printers | Epson R220 Photo/Disc printer | Ricoh GX 5050n dye sublimation ink | Epson Workforce 1100 printer
0

#3 User is offline   djej 

  • Newbie
  • Pip
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 7
  • Joined: 29-March 08

Posted 29 March 2008 - 09:42 AM

QUOTE (d_deweywright @ Mar 5 2008, 09:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Can you tell us exactly how you're doing that? Are you starting Easy Media Creator and clicking "Music Disc" from the home screen? Are you starting Music Disc Creator? What version/edition of EMC (Easy Media Creator) do you have? (If it came pre-installed on your computer you have an OEM version that probably doesn't have Music Disc Creator.)

Or are you dragging the files to the drive in Windows Explorer and letting Windows handle writing the disc?

EMC 9 no longer has a way to write a disc in Track-At-Once mode that adds a 2 second gap between tracks. Are you getting a full 2 second gap, or just a short drop-out "blip" between tracks?

Also, what are you starting with for audio tracks, .MP3 files you've created? Downloaded/purchased .WMA files? .WAV files?

The answer to your question requires you to give us much more information than you have. So, let us know exactly what you're doing and how you're doing it, and hopefully we can give you an informed answer.


Hi. I have a problem with gaps between tracks as well. I am using Roxio Media Creator 9 that came pre-intalled with my computer. I am buring wav files and I set the pre-gaps to 0. What happens is a drop-out "blip" between my tracks. Roxio support has been unhelpful. They just tell me to set the pre-gaps to 0 but it doesn't work. You state that version 9 is not capable of doing this? I am a DJ and the only purpose I have for this program is to burn my mixes, but they have to be continuous or it really screws up the flow. I used to have an older version of Roxio that worked beautifully for this. Do I need to uninstall this program and get something else??

thanks
0

#4 User is offline   d_deweywright 

  • Digital Guru
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Digital Guru
  • Posts: 12,159
  • Joined: 04-January 06
  • Gender:Male

Posted 29 March 2008 - 10:02 AM

QUOTE (djej @ Mar 29 2008, 12:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hi. I have a problem with gaps between tracks as well. I am using Roxio Media Creator 9 that came pre-intalled with my computer. I am buring wav files and I set the pre-gaps to 0. What happens is a drop-out "blip" between my tracks. Roxio support has been unhelpful. They just tell me to set the pre-gaps to 0 but it doesn't work. You state that version 9 is not capable of doing this? I am a DJ and the only purpose I have for this program is to burn my mixes, but they have to be continuous or it really screws up the flow. I used to have an older version of Roxio that worked beautifully for this. Do I need to uninstall this program and get something else??

thanks

Once again, we're back to the question of, what are your source files? how did you create them? Whatever application you used, does it have an option to split tracks for CD (to ensure the cut/split is on a block boundary)?

From what you described, it sounds like the application you're using didn't cut the track on a CD block boundary (a multiple of 2352 bytes), so the rest of the block is filled with silence because a new track has to start on a new block. That causes the blip you hear. Check the options in your audio editor to see if it has a "Prepare for CD" type of option.

Hope that helps.
Dave D-W

Beware the lollipop of mediocrity. Lick it once and you'll suck forever. - Brian Wilson

[
GIGABYTE GA-MA785GM-US2H MB | Athlon II X3 440 (3.0 GHz) | 2GB DDR2 RAM | 1-500GB HD (C: XP, G: Win7, D: - Apps, E: data & apps), 1-500 GB HD Data) | 2 - LiteOn DH20A4P DVD burners | External Dell QFlix DX-20A6Q DVD +/- writer | Windows 7 | Creator 2010 | Tektronix Phaser 850 solid ink printers | Epson R220 Photo/Disc printer | Ricoh GX 5050n dye sublimation ink | Epson Workforce 1100 printer
0

#5 User is offline   d_deweywright 

  • Digital Guru
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Digital Guru
  • Posts: 12,159
  • Joined: 04-January 06
  • Gender:Male

Posted 30 March 2008 - 03:52 AM

QUOTE (nightguy6580 @ Mar 29 2008, 01:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
my files are wma and i am using roxio easy media creator 9. its not a full 2 sec gap its a quick gap you can tell its there bc = because? i spin techno. you can hear the break between tracks and i dont want that. i'm dragging my files from my rip files. i had hp install roxio b4 = before? i bought my comp(utor) so i guess its an OEM vesion on my comp(utor). i'm using create audio cd for car and home cd player. plz help

Sorry, I'm a bit old school, and prefer fully typed out words and full capitalization.

So, how are you creating your .WMA files? Are you ripping them from other CDs? And using what program/application? Or are you downloading them from some other source?

The problem you're describing is exactly what I suggested previously, the track doesn't completely fill a CD block of 2352 bytes when it ends, so the rest of the block is filled with zeros (silence) and causes the quick gap you hear.

I don't know what all is included in the OEM version you got from HP, but if it has Music Disc Creator as an option, try that. It won't fix this problem if you're tracks aren't filling a full block at the end, but there are differences between the two applications. If your version includes Sound Editor, then you can put your tracks into Sound Editor and but them up together, export the mix, and then burn that.

We're still left with knowing more about your original tracks.
Dave D-W

Beware the lollipop of mediocrity. Lick it once and you'll suck forever. - Brian Wilson

[
GIGABYTE GA-MA785GM-US2H MB | Athlon II X3 440 (3.0 GHz) | 2GB DDR2 RAM | 1-500GB HD (C: XP, G: Win7, D: - Apps, E: data & apps), 1-500 GB HD Data) | 2 - LiteOn DH20A4P DVD burners | External Dell QFlix DX-20A6Q DVD +/- writer | Windows 7 | Creator 2010 | Tektronix Phaser 850 solid ink printers | Epson R220 Photo/Disc printer | Ricoh GX 5050n dye sublimation ink | Epson Workforce 1100 printer
0

#6 User is offline   djej 

  • Newbie
  • Pip
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 7
  • Joined: 29-March 08

Posted 02 April 2008 - 09:43 AM

QUOTE (d_deweywright @ Mar 29 2008, 11:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Once again, we're back to the question of, what are your source files? how did you create them? Whatever application you used, does it have an option to split tracks for CD (to ensure the cut/split is on a block boundary)?

From what you described, it sounds like the application you're using didn't cut the track on a CD block boundary (a multiple of 2352 bytes), so the rest of the block is filled with silence because a new track has to start on a new block. That causes the blip you hear. Check the options in your audio editor to see if it has a "Prepare for CD" type of option.

Hope that helps.


Hi. I use a program called Sonar to record my DJ mixes. I do it live from both vinyl records on turntables and CD's on CD turntables using a Pioneer DJM 600 mixer. I send that through an M-Audio Firewire 410 sound card and then into my computer. I then chop them into individual tracks on the program. Then I export each track as a WAV file to a folder in my C drive where I save all of my DJ mixes. When I open Media Creator 9 I add the tracks from that folder. I have never had an issue with previous versions of Media Creator doing this. I have been doing this for years now the same exact way. Again setting pre-gaps to zero does nothing. Previous versions made it very easy to make a gapless CD. I cannot give out copies of my mixes to promoters and fans with gaps. It is a major flaw in my art. A major part of the art of DJing is creating a seamless flow of music. Is it a problem with Vista? (I wouldn't think so.)

Now as for the CD block boundary, I do not really understand that. Does fitting the track to a block boundary occur inside Media Creator 9 when I add my tracks to make a CD? Does it occur bofore that when I am exporting the tracks out of Sonar? The options in the Media Creator are very limited and I have been through them all multiple times with a fine tuned comb. I have now also scowered the entire Media Creator 9 manuel to no avail. I am almost ready to uninstall this program and get something else. However, I don't want to have to spend money. Why do software companies always screw up their programs with new versions? I never understand that. Please advise. I appreciate it. Thank you.




0

#7 User is offline   sknis 

  • Digital Guru
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Digital Guru
  • Posts: 22,172
  • Joined: 04-January 06
  • Gender:Male

Posted 02 April 2008 - 02:05 PM

QUOTE (djej @ Apr 2 2008, 12:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hi. I use a program called Sonar to record my DJ mixes. I do it live from both vinyl records on turntables and CD's on CD turntables using a Pioneer DJM 600 mixer. I send that through an M-Audio Firewire 410 sound card and then into my computer. I then chop them into individual tracks on the program. Then I export each track as a WAV file to a folder in my C drive where I save all of my DJ mixes. When I open Media Creator 9 I add the tracks from that folder. I have never had an issue with previous versions of Media Creator doing this. I have been doing this for years now the same exact way. Again setting pre-gaps to zero does nothing. Previous versions made it very easy to make a gapless CD. I cannot give out copies of my mixes to promoters and fans with gaps. It is a major flaw in my art. A major part of the art of DJing is creating a seamless flow of music. Is it a problem with Vista? (I wouldn't think so.)

Now as for the CD block boundary, I do not really understand that. Does fitting the track to a block boundary occur inside Media Creator 9 when I add my tracks to make a CD? Does it occur bofore that when I am exporting the tracks out of Sonar? The options in the Media Creator are very limited and I have been through them all multiple times with a fine tuned comb. I have now also scowered the entire Media Creator 9 manuel to no avail. I am almost ready to uninstall this program and get something else. However, I don't want to have to spend money. Why do software companies always screw up their programs with new versions? I never understand that. Please advise. I appreciate it. Thank you.

Try this, I don't know what kind of result you'll get. This is much more like early Sonic programs rather than the Roxio ones.

Attached image(s)

  • Attached Image: monthly_04_2008/post-58-1207173937.jpg

PC Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit
Velocity Micro ProMagix ©HD 60; evga x58 motherboard, Intel i7 @2.93, 6G RAM, EVGA Nvidia 560TI superclocked video card, SoundBlaster X-Fi Xtreme audio card, Buffalo external blu-ray burner; Creator 2011.

Laptop - Windows 7 Home
Dell XPS 1645, Intel I7 1,6G with overdrive ,4G RAM, 1 GB ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5730, Sound Blaster X-Fi MB Panzer, 500G hard drive.

Apple =OSX 10.5
MacBook Pro; 15.4-inch widescreen display, 2.4GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, 2GB memory, 200GB hard drive, 8x SuperDrive (DVD±R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW), NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT with 256MB of GDDR3 memory. ILife 08, Toast 10, Final Cut Express 4 and Photoshop 4.
0

#8 User is offline   d_deweywright 

  • Digital Guru
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Digital Guru
  • Posts: 12,159
  • Joined: 04-January 06
  • Gender:Male

Posted 02 April 2008 - 05:01 PM

QUOTE (djej @ Apr 2 2008, 01:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hi. I use a program called Sonar to record my DJ mixes. I do it live from both vinyl records on turntables and CD's on CD turntables using a Pioneer DJM 600 mixer. I send that through an M-Audio Firewire 410 sound card and then into my computer. I then chop them into individual tracks on the program. Then I export each track as a WAV file to a folder in my C drive where I save all of my DJ mixes. When I open Media Creator 9 I add the tracks from that folder. I have never had an issue with previous versions of Media Creator doing this. I have been doing this for years now the same exact way. Again setting pre-gaps to zero does nothing. Previous versions made it very easy to make a gapless CD. I cannot give out copies of my mixes to promoters and fans with gaps. It is a major flaw in my art. A major part of the art of DJing is creating a seamless flow of music. Is it a problem with Vista? (I wouldn't think so.)

Now as for the CD block boundary, I do not really understand that. Does fitting the track to a block boundary occur inside Media Creator 9 when I add my tracks to make a CD? Does it occur bofore that when I am exporting the tracks out of Sonar? The options in the Media Creator are very limited and I have been through them all multiple times with a fine tuned comb. I have now also scowered the entire Media Creator 9 manuel to no avail. I am almost ready to uninstall this program and get something else. However, I don't want to have to spend money. Why do software companies always screw up their programs with new versions? I never understand that. Please advise. I appreciate it. Thank you.

The block boundary splitting would be done in your Sonar program. With any luck, it has an option for preparing .WAV files for CD, which will do that for you. Here's the educational part. CDs record data in "blocks." For an Audio CD, there are 2352 bytes of data in each block, which equates to 1/75th of a second. If you have a song that ends 2 bytes into a block, then the rest of the block, (2350 bytes in this case) is filled with "zeros" or silence because the next track must start in a new block.

Now, you didn't answer the question about whether or not you have Music Disc Creator as part of your OEM version. If so, definitely try that. It's a fair bet that your Sonar application, if intended for DJ work, does work on CD boundaries, and if you never had the problem before, then that's an even better indication. There are differences between the "home" application in CD Creator, and Music Disc Creator.

Hope that helps!
Dave D-W

Beware the lollipop of mediocrity. Lick it once and you'll suck forever. - Brian Wilson

[
GIGABYTE GA-MA785GM-US2H MB | Athlon II X3 440 (3.0 GHz) | 2GB DDR2 RAM | 1-500GB HD (C: XP, G: Win7, D: - Apps, E: data & apps), 1-500 GB HD Data) | 2 - LiteOn DH20A4P DVD burners | External Dell QFlix DX-20A6Q DVD +/- writer | Windows 7 | Creator 2010 | Tektronix Phaser 850 solid ink printers | Epson R220 Photo/Disc printer | Ricoh GX 5050n dye sublimation ink | Epson Workforce 1100 printer
0

#9 User is offline   djej 

  • Newbie
  • Pip
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 7
  • Joined: 29-March 08

Posted 03 April 2008 - 07:55 AM

QUOTE (d_deweywright @ Apr 2 2008, 06:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The block boundary splitting would be done in your Sonar program. With any luck, it has an option for preparing .WAV files for CD, which will do that for you. Here's the educational part. CDs record data in "blocks." For an Audio CD, there are 2352 bytes of data in each block, which equates to 1/75th of a second. If you have a song that ends 2 bytes into a block, then the rest of the block, (2350 bytes in this case) is filled with "zeros" or silence because the next track must start in a new block.

Now, you didn't answer the question about whether or not you have Music Disc Creator as part of your OEM version. If so, definitely try that. It's a fair bet that your Sonar application, if intended for DJ work, does work on CD boundaries, and if you never had the problem before, then that's an even better indication. There are differences between the "home" application in CD Creator, and Music Disc Creator.

Hope that helps!


How do I find out if Music Disc Creator is part of my OEM version? I don't know what that means. All I know is that it is Easy Media Creator 9 and came with my computer. I open it and click on the audio CD link. Then I add my tracks. I really do not understand the CD block thing. My tracks are different amount of bytes. And isn't that the size of the file? So depending on the length of the individual track the bytes are going to be different. For example, track 1 is 62,857,216 bytes and track 2 is 60,764,160 bytes. Both are way, way, way more than 2352 bytes. I am totally lost.

Now, since I have never had this issue before, doesn't that indicate that the problem is with Easy Media Creator 9? I don't think that Sonar works on CD boundaries. It is a recording program and a sequencer. It is not made specifically for DJ's. It is a production tool. All I do is export the track the way I want it as a WAV file so I can then burn it onto a CD.

Do know if I can get an earlier version of this program anywhere? It used to work perfectly. Or (you probably can't tell me this) a program that does work for this. It is extremely frustrating and starting to take up way too much of my time and energy. However, this is essential to me. I cannot go over to other people's places and burn my mixes. That is crazy.
0

#10 User is offline   d_deweywright 

  • Digital Guru
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Digital Guru
  • Posts: 12,159
  • Joined: 04-January 06
  • Gender:Male

Posted 03 April 2008 - 08:12 AM

QUOTE (djej @ Apr 3 2008, 11:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
How do I find out if Music Disc Creator is part of my OEM version? I don't know what that means. All I know is that it is Easy Media Creator 9 and came with my computer. I open it and click on the audio CD link. Then I add my tracks. I really do not understand the CD block thing. My tracks are different amount of bytes. And isn't that the size of the file? So depending on the length of the individual track the bytes are going to be different. For example, track 1 is 62,857,216 bytes and track 2 is 60,764,160 bytes. Both are way, way, way more than 2352 bytes. I am totally lost.

Now, since I have never had this issue before, doesn't that indicate that the problem is with Easy Media Creator 9? I don't think that Sonar works on CD boundaries. It is a recording program and a sequencer. It is not made specifically for DJ's. It is a production tool. All I do is export the track the way I want it as a WAV file so I can then burn it onto a CD.

Do know if I can get an earlier version of this program anywhere? It used to work perfectly. Or (you probably can't tell me this) a program that does work for this. It is extremely frustrating and starting to take up way too much of my time and energy. However, this is essential to me. I cannot go over to other people's places and burn my mixes. That is crazy.

Yes, obviously your tracks are much bigger than a single block. The point is that for a track to flow seamlessly into the next, it must be an multiple of blocks in length. Your example of the 62,857,216 byte track is a fair example, if we divide that by 2352, we see that the track will fill 26725.0068 blocks. So, it just goes into the 26726th block, and the rest of the block is filled with silence. (Now, there's header information in the file that needs to be taken out, which messes all of this up, but just use this as an example.)

How do you know if you have Music Disc Creator? Go to Start -> Programs -> Easy Media Creator 9 -> Audio -> Music Disc Creator. If that path doesn't exist, then you probably don't have Music Disc Creator.

You can look for earlier, or full versions of the program on eBay.

There is a shareware program, CDWAVE that is intended to record and split tracks on CD block boundaries. It's well worth the registration fee, but what you download is a full and un-crippled version.

Hope that helps clear things up.
Dave D-W

Beware the lollipop of mediocrity. Lick it once and you'll suck forever. - Brian Wilson

[
GIGABYTE GA-MA785GM-US2H MB | Athlon II X3 440 (3.0 GHz) | 2GB DDR2 RAM | 1-500GB HD (C: XP, G: Win7, D: - Apps, E: data & apps), 1-500 GB HD Data) | 2 - LiteOn DH20A4P DVD burners | External Dell QFlix DX-20A6Q DVD +/- writer | Windows 7 | Creator 2010 | Tektronix Phaser 850 solid ink printers | Epson R220 Photo/Disc printer | Ricoh GX 5050n dye sublimation ink | Epson Workforce 1100 printer
0

#11 User is offline   djej 

  • Newbie
  • Pip
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 7
  • Joined: 29-March 08

Posted 07 April 2008 - 01:27 PM

QUOTE (d_deweywright @ Apr 3 2008, 09:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yes, obviously your tracks are much bigger than a single block. The point is that for a track to flow seamlessly into the next, it must be an multiple of blocks in length. Your example of the 62,857,216 byte track is a fair example, if we divide that by 2352, we see that the track will fill 26725.0068 blocks. So, it just goes into the 26726th block, and the rest of the block is filled with silence. (Now, there's header information in the file that needs to be taken out, which messes all of this up, but just use this as an example.)

How do you know if you have Music Disc Creator? Go to Start -> Programs -> Easy Media Creator 9 -> Audio -> Music Disc Creator. If that path doesn't exist, then you probably don't have Music Disc Creator.

You can look for earlier, or full versions of the program on eBay.

There is a shareware program, CDWAVE that is intended to record and split tracks on CD block boundaries. It's well worth the registration fee, but what you download is a full and un-crippled version.

Hope that helps clear things up.


OK. I guess I do not have Music Disc Creator. What happens is this: start -> programs -> Roxio Creator DE -> home. So does this mean I only have a demo version or something? Could that be the issue? Still doesn't make sense because on my last computer I had the version that came with the computer and it worked just fine.

The CDWAVE program. How does that work? I would record my sets directly into it? That doesn't seem like a good idea to me if that is the case. Or do I transfer a recording into it? Still, if the tracks are a certain amount of megabytes not evenly divisible by 2352 how does that help my situation. Would it compress them to make it fit or something? It would then lose sound quality.


0

#12 User is offline   d_deweywright 

  • Digital Guru
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Digital Guru
  • Posts: 12,159
  • Joined: 04-January 06
  • Gender:Male

Posted 07 April 2008 - 02:35 PM

QUOTE (djej @ Apr 7 2008, 05:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
OK. I guess I do not have Music Disc Creator. What happens is this: start -> programs -> Roxio Creator DE -> home. So does this mean I only have a demo version or something? Could that be the issue? Still doesn't make sense because on my last computer I had the version that came with the computer and it worked just fine.

The CDWAVE program. How does that work? I would record my sets directly into it? That doesn't seem like a good idea to me if that is the case. Or do I transfer a recording into it? Still, if the tracks are a certain amount of megabytes not evenly divisible by 2352 how does that help my situation. Would it compress them to make it fit or something? It would then lose sound quality.

DE is the Dell Edition, which is a cut-down OEM version.

Here's how I use CDWAVE. I start it up and use it to record a side of an LP. When that's done, it is very easy to mark where I want it to split the tracks apart, so I mark all the split points, type in the name(s) of each track, and then save the individual tracks. It automatically puts the split point on a block boundary. So, even if you record a single track, if you use CDWAVE to trim the silence from the ends, it will make sure that the track is an even multiple of blocks in length.

Once you've done that and saved your .WAV files, you'll use EMC to write your CD.

Hope that helps.
Dave D-W

Beware the lollipop of mediocrity. Lick it once and you'll suck forever. - Brian Wilson

[
GIGABYTE GA-MA785GM-US2H MB | Athlon II X3 440 (3.0 GHz) | 2GB DDR2 RAM | 1-500GB HD (C: XP, G: Win7, D: - Apps, E: data & apps), 1-500 GB HD Data) | 2 - LiteOn DH20A4P DVD burners | External Dell QFlix DX-20A6Q DVD +/- writer | Windows 7 | Creator 2010 | Tektronix Phaser 850 solid ink printers | Epson R220 Photo/Disc printer | Ricoh GX 5050n dye sublimation ink | Epson Workforce 1100 printer
0

#13 User is offline   djej 

  • Newbie
  • Pip
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 7
  • Joined: 29-March 08

Posted 08 April 2008 - 09:35 AM

QUOTE (d_deweywright @ Apr 7 2008, 03:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
DE is the Dell Edition, which is a cut-down OEM version.

Here's how I use CDWAVE. I start it up and use it to record a side of an LP. When that's done, it is very easy to mark where I want it to split the tracks apart, so I mark all the split points, type in the name(s) of each track, and then save the individual tracks. It automatically puts the split point on a block boundary. So, even if you record a single track, if you use CDWAVE to trim the silence from the ends, it will make sure that the track is an even multiple of blocks in length.

Once you've done that and saved your .WAV files, you'll use EMC to write your CD.

Hope that helps.


Thank you for all your responses and that is great that you record vinyl. However, this still does not make sense to me. It is not right. I should not have to use this CDWAVE program to make my mixes. There is no silent time at the end of the tracks in a mix becuase there is constantly music. That is the art of DJing. I spin everything, but primarily house music and I like to mix the crap out of records for a couple of minutes at times. I should not be forced to cut the mixes where the CDWAVE program tells me too. I just don't understand why all the sudden I can't do something the way I have been doing it for years and I am pissed off. Now if I am just complaining, I am sorry. How much is this program? Why have I never heard of it? Why out of all the DJ's I know, nobody has ever told me about this program and nobody uses it?

Do you think that it matters if I have the cut-down version?
0

#14 User is offline   sknis 

  • Digital Guru
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Digital Guru
  • Posts: 22,172
  • Joined: 04-January 06
  • Gender:Male

Posted 08 April 2008 - 10:29 AM

QUOTE (djej @ Apr 8 2008, 12:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Thank you for all your responses and that is great that you record vinyl. However, this still does not make sense to me. It is not right. I should not have to use this CDWAVE program to make my mixes. There is no silent time at the end of the tracks in a mix becuase there is constantly music. That is the art of DJing. I spin everything, but primarily house music and I like to mix the crap out of records for a couple of minutes at times. I should not be forced to cut the mixes where the CDWAVE program tells me too. I just don't understand why all the sudden I can't do something the way I have been doing it for years and I am pissed off. Now if I am just complaining, I am sorry. How much is this program? Why have I never heard of it? Why out of all the DJ's I know, nobody has ever told me about this program and nobody uses it?

Do you think that it matters if I have the cut-down version?

Yes, why give the best away.

Perhaps you should Google for professional mixer software and write it off as a income tax business expense.. glare.gif

Or look at the Dart Software or Goldwave. I thnk they both have free trials.
PC Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit
Velocity Micro ProMagix ©HD 60; evga x58 motherboard, Intel i7 @2.93, 6G RAM, EVGA Nvidia 560TI superclocked video card, SoundBlaster X-Fi Xtreme audio card, Buffalo external blu-ray burner; Creator 2011.

Laptop - Windows 7 Home
Dell XPS 1645, Intel I7 1,6G with overdrive ,4G RAM, 1 GB ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5730, Sound Blaster X-Fi MB Panzer, 500G hard drive.

Apple =OSX 10.5
MacBook Pro; 15.4-inch widescreen display, 2.4GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, 2GB memory, 200GB hard drive, 8x SuperDrive (DVD±R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW), NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT with 256MB of GDDR3 memory. ILife 08, Toast 10, Final Cut Express 4 and Photoshop 4.
0

#15 User is offline   d_deweywright 

  • Digital Guru
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Digital Guru
  • Posts: 12,159
  • Joined: 04-January 06
  • Gender:Male

Posted 08 April 2008 - 10:31 AM

QUOTE (djej @ Apr 8 2008, 01:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Thank you for all your responses and that is great that you record vinyl. However, this still does not make sense to me. It is not right. I should not have to use this CDWAVE program to make my mixes. There is no silent time at the end of the tracks in a mix becuase there is constantly music. That is the art of DJing. I spin everything, but primarily house music and I like to mix the crap out of records for a couple of minutes at times. I should not be forced to cut the mixes where the CDWAVE program tells me too. I just don't understand why all the sudden I can't do something the way I have been doing it for years and I am pissed off. Now if I am just complaining, I am sorry. How much is this program? Why have I never heard of it? Why out of all the DJ's I know, nobody has ever told me about this program and nobody uses it?

Do you think that it matters if I have the cut-down version?

Without hearing the actual offending silence, it's hard to know exactly what the cause is. Is it something you could time with a stopwatch. I can start/stop a stopwatch in about 2/10's of a second, not that that would be an accurate timing, but it's a point of reference. If the silence you're hearing is that long, then your issue not what I've been trying to explain to you. Can you extract/capture a short bit of music that includes the gap you're hearing and either post it on a website somewhere where I can here it, or send it to me as a .MP3 file? Maybe there's something else going on. Or post/send two full files you want back-to-back so I can play with them?

Does it matter? Well, you haven't been able to do what you want with it... does it matter?

This post has been edited by d_deweywright: 08 April 2008 - 10:55 AM

Dave D-W

Beware the lollipop of mediocrity. Lick it once and you'll suck forever. - Brian Wilson

[
GIGABYTE GA-MA785GM-US2H MB | Athlon II X3 440 (3.0 GHz) | 2GB DDR2 RAM | 1-500GB HD (C: XP, G: Win7, D: - Apps, E: data & apps), 1-500 GB HD Data) | 2 - LiteOn DH20A4P DVD burners | External Dell QFlix DX-20A6Q DVD +/- writer | Windows 7 | Creator 2010 | Tektronix Phaser 850 solid ink printers | Epson R220 Photo/Disc printer | Ricoh GX 5050n dye sublimation ink | Epson Workforce 1100 printer
0

#16 User is offline   djej 

  • Newbie
  • Pip
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 7
  • Joined: 29-March 08

Posted 09 April 2008 - 09:24 AM

QUOTE (sknis @ Apr 8 2008, 11:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yes, why give the best away.

Perhaps you should Google for professional mixer software and write it off as a income tax business expense.. glare.gif

Or look at the Dart Software or Goldwave. I thnk they both have free trials.



So if I was to go and buy the full version this problem would be solved? Is that what you are telling me? The versions that came with previous computers did not have this problem. As for professional mixer software... I already use it. It doesn't really get more professional than Pro-Tools or Abelton or Sonar for recording. I do not think that is the issue. But thanks for the tax advice.
0

#17 User is offline   djej 

  • Newbie
  • Pip
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 7
  • Joined: 29-March 08

Posted 09 April 2008 - 09:31 AM

QUOTE (d_deweywright @ Apr 8 2008, 11:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Without hearing the actual offending silence, it's hard to know exactly what the cause is. Is it something you could time with a stopwatch. I can start/stop a stopwatch in about 2/10's of a second, not that that would be an accurate timing, but it's a point of reference. If the silence you're hearing is that long, then your issue not what I've been trying to explain to you. Can you extract/capture a short bit of music that includes the gap you're hearing and either post it on a website somewhere where I can here it, or send it to me as a .MP3 file? Maybe there's something else going on. Or post/send two full files you want back-to-back so I can play with them?

Does it matter? Well, you haven't been able to do what you want with it... does it matter?


Let me explain what I meant by "does it matter?" Does it matter that I only have the cut-down version that came with my computer? If I was to go and purchase the full version of music creator would that solve my problem? Now, I am not sure if you can really answer that. However, I do believe that you are correct about the CD block thing, because the silence is just a less than a second clip of silence. It is more than enough to throw the mix off though. Also, it appears that on a few of the mixes (maybe 2 out of 15 tracks) this little gap does not exist. So perhaps those tracks are perfectly divisible by the CD block amount. Still it is bullshit, because it is a new problem with this new version. A problem never experienced before and I have been doing this for a long time now.
0

#18 User is offline   d_deweywright 

  • Digital Guru
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Digital Guru
  • Posts: 12,159
  • Joined: 04-January 06
  • Gender:Male

Posted 09 April 2008 - 09:37 AM

QUOTE (djej @ Apr 9 2008, 01:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Let me explain what I meant by "does it matter?" Does it matter that I only have the cut-down version that came with my computer? If I was to go and purchase the full version of music creator would that solve my problem? Now, I am not sure if you can really answer that. However, I do believe that you are correct about the CD block thing, because the silence is just a less than a second clip of silence. It is more than enough to throw the mix off though. Also, it appears that on a few of the mixes (maybe 2 out of 15 tracks) this little gap does not exist. So perhaps those tracks are perfectly divisible by the CD block amount. Still it is bullshit, because it is a new problem with this new version. A problem never experienced before and I have been doing this for a long time now.

Do this one test for me. Take a selection of tracks that exhibit this problem. Put them all through CDWave, and trim next to nothing off of them, just something so the program has to do something. It won't cost anything except your time. Now burn those edited files to CD as you have been, using your current version of Easy Media Creator. If the little blip of silence goes away, we've identified the problem. If it doesn't, we'll go from there.

You're assumption is that the problem is with your new version of EMC. But my understanding is that this is a new computer setup. It's possible that when you (re)installed your other applications, there are settings that are different than on your previous setup which could also be an issue.

This post has been edited by d_deweywright: 09 April 2008 - 09:42 AM

Dave D-W

Beware the lollipop of mediocrity. Lick it once and you'll suck forever. - Brian Wilson

[
GIGABYTE GA-MA785GM-US2H MB | Athlon II X3 440 (3.0 GHz) | 2GB DDR2 RAM | 1-500GB HD (C: XP, G: Win7, D: - Apps, E: data & apps), 1-500 GB HD Data) | 2 - LiteOn DH20A4P DVD burners | External Dell QFlix DX-20A6Q DVD +/- writer | Windows 7 | Creator 2010 | Tektronix Phaser 850 solid ink printers | Epson R220 Photo/Disc printer | Ricoh GX 5050n dye sublimation ink | Epson Workforce 1100 printer
0

#19 User is offline   Dano08 

  • Newbie
  • Pip
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 1
  • Joined: 30-April 08

Posted 30 April 2008 - 04:43 PM

Even though this post is a few weeks old, you and I are in nearly the exact same boat paddling up the same river. The differences are, I record my mixes in Scratch Live which records in an AIFF file (friggin' huge), i then convert the file into a wave and split it at each track using the CDWave program mentioned. I open up my Roxio Creator Basic v9 (which I have set to DAO) I lay the tracks out in the proper order, insert my disc and commence to burning. What I usually end up with is a hotmix with goofy gaps (some longer than others...)when I was suppose to get none.In turn rendering the disc as useful as a coaster or frisbee. I don't know if the gentlemen who has been responding to your issue here works for Roxio tech support but I don't think the point is getting through. This is a problem with Roxio..simple as that. I don't want to hear all kinds of techno babble about bytes and bits and what have you.I've been doing this for years. Whether it be with live concerts I've recorded or my dj hotmixes. Trimming tracks down when they are suppose to flow seemlessly into each other on beat is not an option in our case. It's also not a requirement with any other cd burning utility I've ever used that is DAO capable.


If it can be guaranteed that this will NOT be an issue with v10 I'd be glad to get it. Heck, i'd even put it on both my pc and laptop cause other than this little glitch it's a decent program.
Throw the club djs a bone here!

If you have found a better program that does things the way you and i need them done please let me know...

Thanks,
Dano

This post has been edited by Dano08: 30 April 2008 - 04:46 PM

0

#20 User is offline   d_deweywright 

  • Digital Guru
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Digital Guru
  • Posts: 12,159
  • Joined: 04-January 06
  • Gender:Male

Posted 30 April 2008 - 05:06 PM

QUOTE (Dano08 @ Apr 30 2008, 08:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Even though this post is a few weeks old, you and I are in nearly the exact same boat paddling up the same river. The differences are, I record my mixes in Scratch Live which records in an AIFF file (friggin' huge), i then convert the file into a wave and split it at each track using the CDWave program mentioned. I open up my Roxio Creator Basic v9 (which I have set to DAO) I lay the tracks out in the proper order, insert my disc and commence to burning. What I usually end up with is a hotmix with goofy gaps (some longer than others...)when I was suppose to get none.In turn rendering the disc as useful as a coaster or frisbee. I don't know if the gentlemen who has been responding to your issue here works for Roxio tech support but I don't think the point is getting through. This is a problem with Roxio..simple as that. I don't want to hear all kinds of techno babble about bytes and bits and what have you.I've been doing this for years. Whether it be with live concerts I've recorded or my dj hotmixes. Trimming tracks down when they are suppose to flow seemlessly into each other on beat is not an option in our case. It's also not a requirement with any other cd burning utility I've ever used that is DAO capable.


If it can be guaranteed that this will NOT be an issue with v10 I'd be glad to get it. Heck, i'd even put it on both my pc and laptop cause other than this little glitch it's a decent program.
Throw the club djs a bone here!

If you have found a better program that does things the way you and i need them done please let me know...

Thanks,
Dano

If you're referring to me, no, I don't work for Roxio tech support, I've just been writing Audio CDs since about 1996, when my blazing 2X CD writer cost $1200. I don't have the Basic version of EMC 9 or 10. However, here's what I'm going to do... I'm going to take a track, split it up using CDWAVE into multiple segments, then record it back to CD using Music Disc Creator, which probably isn't part of the Basic version of EMC. I'll use EMC 10 on my laptop to do that, and I'll let you know how it plays back. (Normally I'm running EMC 9 on my desktop machine, since it has Windows 2000, which isn't supported by EMC 10.)
Dave D-W

Beware the lollipop of mediocrity. Lick it once and you'll suck forever. - Brian Wilson

[
GIGABYTE GA-MA785GM-US2H MB | Athlon II X3 440 (3.0 GHz) | 2GB DDR2 RAM | 1-500GB HD (C: XP, G: Win7, D: - Apps, E: data & apps), 1-500 GB HD Data) | 2 - LiteOn DH20A4P DVD burners | External Dell QFlix DX-20A6Q DVD +/- writer | Windows 7 | Creator 2010 | Tektronix Phaser 850 solid ink printers | Epson R220 Photo/Disc printer | Ricoh GX 5050n dye sublimation ink | Epson Workforce 1100 printer
0

Share this topic:


  • (2 Pages)
  • +
  • 1
  • 2
  • You cannot start a new topic
  • You cannot reply to this topic

1 User(s) are reading this topic
0 members, 1 guests, 0 anonymous users