[Berndu]

I came across a song on a DVD "Extras" disc that I have in my collection. I would like to convert it into a .wav audio format to playback on my computer music browser.

Can EMC 10 convert .vob into a .wav format. Furthermore, can EMC10 split the songs automatically into separate tracks by Chapter instead of one long wav file?

I checked the EMC10 user manual, but it was vague at best. I don't own EMC 10, so I can't just try it to find out. There are many stand alone converters online that can do the job. I would rather spend my money on a more versatile program such as EMC 10 or it's competition -- if EMC 10 can do the job.

Thanks for any info that can be passed along.

[Jim_Hardin]

If it is copyrighted, and it most likely is, Roxio or any other mainstream program will not touch it, as doing so is illegal!

Otherwise the answer would be Yes, you can Extract a Soundtrack into any format you desire (within limits).

[cdanteek]

a song on a DVD "Extras" disc

If there is no encryption try music disc creator, file, import audio from CD/DVD.

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[Berndu]

Thanks for the reply J. Hardin.

Sounds like my idea is crossing over into gray area at best. It was my understanding, from everything that I've read online, that if you own a DVD you can make a back up copy. I just thought that my idea of converting a .vob into a wav to be able to play a song on a computer from some sort of music "browser" would be similarly legal.

I guess I better just play the song from the DVD. Besides, the DVD is most likely encrypted.

[Brendon]

I think the US Supreme Court considers that you have a right to make a personal backup, but the RIAA and MPAA call it piracy.

If Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) has his way, agents from the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco Firearms and DVDs could be doing a WACO on your place real soon now.

[Jim_Hardin]

I think the US Supreme Court considers that you have a right to make a personal backup, but the RIAA and MPAA call it piracy.

No that is not correct, it has never reached the Supreme Court so the decisions of the lower courts stand…

The lower courts have always ruled in favor of the Law, so any copying of a commercial DVD without permission is illegal.

I do not follow this stuff with a lust, but there was a ruling concerning the right to make a personal copy. However it did not apply to commercial DVD movies or the separate law that pertains to them…

[cdanteek]

so any copying of a commercial DVD without permission is illegal.

I do not follow this stuff with a lust, either. I do disagree with your statement tho...

The ability to create copies of the media you've purchased for personal use is a long-accepted facet of the fair-use doctrine in U.S. copyright law (at least, it used to be).

The Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) states that it's illegal to break the CSS copy-protection mechanism employed by most commercial DVD movies.

Up until February 2004, 321 Studios' hugely popular line of DVD-copying products, including DVD X Copy, DVD X Copy Xpress, and DVD Copy Plus, gave consumers the power to make backup copies of DVDs--even those with copy protection. But when a San Francisco federal judge ruled that 321 Studios' products were illegal because they circumvented commercial DVDs' antipiracy technology--not because it's illegal to make copies, mind you--the party was over.

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[Brendon]

Is section 107 of the Copyright Act (title 17, U.S.Code) not still the Law, Jim?

[Jim_Hardin]

I do not follow this stuff with a lust, either. I do disagree with your statement tho...

The ability to create copies of the media you've purchased for personal use is a long-accepted facet of the fair-use doctrine in U.S. copyright law (at least, it used to be).

The Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) states that it's illegal to break the CSS copy-protection mechanism employed by most commercial DVD movies.

Up until February 2004, 321 Studios' hugely popular line of DVD-copying products, including DVD X Copy, DVD X Copy Xpress, and DVD Copy Plus, gave consumers the power to make backup copies of DVDs--even those with copy protection. But when a San Francisco federal judge ruled that 321 Studios' products were illegal because they circumvented commercial DVDs' antipiracy technology--not because it's illegal to make copies, mind you--the party was over.

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Yes I agree, but it is also totally irrelevant.

It does not matter if you break Law A or Law B if you are charged.

If you have the right to '…keep and bear arms' it does not give you the right to bear arms by shooting someone…

I am not thrilled by the inconsistencies and feel (hope) that one day the individual right to make a copy for personal use will prevail, but that day is not here yet.

And I do agree that if copy protection is not present, I would consider it to be a blank check.

[Syrallas]

But when a San Francisco federal judge ruled that 321 Studios' products were illegal because they circumvented commercial DVDs' antipiracy technology--not because it's illegal to make copies, mind you--the party was over.

Yep, and I think a federal judge in NYC made sure the party remained closed down when he/she stopped Sima from selling its Go-DVD product in 2006.

The tension exists between what I believe to be a right you have to make a fair use back-up copy of products you own and the fact that you cannot exercise that right by violating the DMCA....

This post has been edited by Syrallas: 24 April 2008 - 09:22 AM

[Berndu]

You guys are making my head spin.

I'll just stick to playing the song off the DVD. Life is much simpler that way.

I've been looking at purchasing EMC for some time now. I recently switched over to Windows XP so that I can use EMC 10 -- if I decide to go in that direction.

Any one have any opinions on EMC 10 versus it's main competitor Nero? I alway read if you plan on doing video, go EMC. Otherwise, nero.

Am I breaking any rules or laws mentioning the competition on Roxio's web site?

[cdanteek]

Am I breaking any rules or laws mentioning the competition on Roxio's web site?

Some might think that, Roxio Soxic does pay the bills around here!

There is a EMC 9 free 30 day trial click here....

Nero has a free 15 day trial.

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[Berndu]

My main reason for considering purchasing EMC 10 is to rip my CD collection to my hard drive so that I can play it over my home network.

With all the discussion above, it's obvious that I was a little naive about my idea to convert vob to wav. I hadn't even thought that far ahead to consider encryption. Likewise, perhaps I am a little naive about ripping CDs to a hard drive. Let me see if I got this straight. One can not rip a part of a DVD to a hard drive because it's encrypted, but can rip a CD to their hard drive legally, even though it's copyrighted? Yes, I understand from the discussions above that somehow defeating the encryption is against the law. I get that. Roxio, Nero or any other music browser allows the user to rip CDs to the hard drive. What am I missing? If a CD was encrypted, would it then be illegal to theoretically rip it to one's hard drive? Conversely, if a DVD was not encrypted, would it then be legal to convert part of it onto a hard drive?

Given that ripping to a hard drive is legal, are there any down sides to converting CD's into a FLAC format to save space on a hard drive, but yet preserve the integrity of the original recording?

Thanks again for all the enlightening information.

[John at Roxio]

Good question.
1) Although the RIAA contends that ripping Audio CD's to your hard drive is illegal, this has yet to be decided in court, so until a decision has been handed down, its still technically legal.
2) The act of circumventing copy protection is what is illegal, not the transferring of the data from the original media to your hard drive.

[d_deweywright]

My main reason for considering purchasing EMC 10 is to rip my CD collection to my hard drive so that I can play it over my home network.

With all the discussion above, it's obvious that I was a little naive about my idea to convert vob to wav. I hadn't even thought that far ahead to consider encryption. Likewise, perhaps I am a little naive about ripping CDs to a hard drive. Let me see if I got this straight. One can not rip a part of a DVD to a hard drive because it's encrypted, but can rip a CD to their hard drive legally, even though it's copyrighted? Yes, I understand from the discussions above that somehow defeating the encryption is against the law. I get that. Roxio, Nero or any other music browser allows the user to rip CDs to the hard drive. What am I missing? If a CD was encrypted, would it then be illegal to theoretically rip it to one's hard drive? Conversely, if a DVD was not encrypted, would it then be legal to convert part of it onto a hard drive?

Given that ripping to a hard drive is legal, are there any down sides to converting CD's into a FLAC format to save space on a hard drive, but yet preserve the integrity of the original recording?

Thanks again for all the enlightening information.

You've mixed apples and oranges here. A true CDDA Red Book Audio CD does not have any encryption, it's not part of the specifications and Phillips (at least at one point) did not allow purported Audio CDs with encryption on them to bear the CDDA logo. So, you will not run afoul of the DMCA by ripping an Audio CD.

DVDs on the other hand can, and commercial ones do, have encryption on them, which technically does run you afoul of the DMCA if you circumvent it.

As John said, it seems to be accepted that you can rip your Audio CDs to your HD, but not commercial DVDs.

Yes, I too wish there would be a clarification of the inconsistencies between copyright "fair use" and the DMCA.

This post has been edited by d_deweywright: 25 April 2008 - 02:14 AM