[nicholasglen]

I have followed the instructions at http://forums.support.roxio.com/lofiversio...php/t23278.html to add multiple audio streams, as I don't have DVDit(and DVDit probably won't solve the issue below). This works fine, with the exception of one thing. It seems per DVD standard I can't name the tracks anything I want. I can only select a language and audio type. What I am trying to do is have one video with multiple audio music tracks. What I have created is a video collage but want viewers to choose the music (Gershwin versus Meatloaf, etc.) I could make a separate video with each having it's own music track, but that would fill up the DVD quickly. I have added multiple audio tracks, but can't label them, so the best I can do is have it show up Track 1, Track 2, etc, which isn't very useful.
Is there a way to add new audio extensions or is a new DVD format available that allows for extensibility? Any other ideas would be welcome.
Thanks!

[malatekid]

I'm afraid Creator 2009 does not allow for extensibility.

My suggestion is for you to use the same video production (created through Videowave) and just edit to put the aplicable set of audio tracks from one artist and save it as a new production. Keep doing this as many times you need to change the audio tracks from each artist. You can then use MyDVD and bring in those productions as different titles (maybe one title will be named Gershwin (the title that has the Gerhswin's audio tracks), another title is called Meatloaf (that has the audio tracks of Meatloaf), etc.

I'm not sure if I understand your issue but you can rename the audio files in your hard drive first to their titles (or whatever descriptive name you want to give them) before bringing them in to Videowave productions.

[nicholasglen]

Thanks for the reply, but what I am looking for is to name multiple audio tracks, even if I have to use programs like muxman and vobblanker, which create that extensibility that Easy Creator does not have. It is very easy to extend and replace existing audio tracks(up to 8), but not to create names for them. When I talk about audio tracks I mean the ones that are part of the DVD spec. These are the audio tracks available through the DVD remote, similar to subtitles(which can also be added via muxman and vobblanker). Even if I went to DVDit, I would assume my naming limitation would be the same.

The two disadvantage of creating separate video files is:
1) Takes up extra space (1 GB per video), versus 30-40 MB per extra audio
2) Users would be able to switch around as they desire. It's cool to listen to a part of a video in Gershwin, then switch to Meatloaf, then the Stones, etc.

[myguggi]

Thanks for the reply, but what I am looking for is to name multiple audio tracks, even if I have to use programs like muxman and vobblanker, which create that extensibility that Easy Creator does not have. It is very easy to extend and replace existing audio tracks(up to 8), but not to create names for them. When I talk about audio tracks I mean the ones that are part of the DVD spec. These are the audio tracks available through the DVD remote, similar to subtitles(which can also be added via muxman and vobblanker). Even if I went to DVDit, I would assume my naming limitation would be the same.

The two disadvantage of creating separate video files is:
1) Takes up extra space (1 GB per video), versus 30-40 MB per extra audio
2) Users would be able to switch around as they desire. It's cool to listen to a part of a video in Gershwin, then switch to Meatloaf, then the Stones, etc.

Can't be dome with this software

[nicholasglen]

with any software?

[grandpabruce]

with any software?

Google is your friend.

[nicholasglen]

been there, done that. I am hoping someone here has tried to do it. From what I can tell languages and audio extensions are enumerated types, however, I thought the standard might be updated periodically to allow more flexibility. It just is hard to believe that audio tracks were designed only to be language or type related, and not music.

[sknis]

been there, done that. I am hoping someone here has tried to do it. From what I can tell languages and audio extensions are enumerated types, however, I thought the standard might be updated periodically to allow more flexibility. It just is hard to believe that audio tracks were designed only to be language or type related, and not music.

An audio track should be an audio track regardless of spoken language or music. In the Roxio consumer programs, you can add music on any of the 6 audio tracks. The native audio track is locked to the video.

Perhaps you can do that Google search with that in mind.

This post has been edited by sknis: 31 December 2008 - 12:29 PM

[myguggi]

An audio track should be an audio track regardless of spoken language or music. In the Roxio consumer programs, you can add music on any of the 6 audio tracks. The native audio track is locked to the video.

Perhaps you can do that Google search with that in mind.

Steve, I believe that Nicholas wants to have different audio on different audio tracks and then be able to select which audio he wants to hear. Sort or listening to the "directors commentary" on some commercial DVDs.
At least that is the way I undertand the OPs question.

[nicholasglen]

exactly, and I have accomplished that using some external programs but don't seem to be able to name the track(except as you mentioned directors commentary, and 4-5 other options.)
http://developer.apple.com/documentation/g...4-CH3g-BBCGFAJA
I am beginning to think that naming an audio track is not possible outside of the audio extension and setting a language, which if Meatloaf or Gershwin was a language I would be set:)

[sknis]

Steve, I believe that Nicholas wants to have different audio on different audio tracks and then be able to select which audio he wants to hear. Sort or listening to the "directors commentary" on some commercial DVDs.
At least that is the way I undertand the OPs question.

Yes, I understood what he was trying to do, that's why I suggested that the OP Google again looking for a program that would have the ability to chose and play one of several alternate languages. I don't know if there is such a beast.

Perhaps something like this might have that ability. The price? If you have to ask....

This post has been edited by sknis: 01 January 2009 - 05:59 AM

[nicholasglen]

Looks like with the current dvd standard naming the audio tracks is not possible, although adding additional languages is easy(manually, or with upgrade to DVDit). Perhaps codecs in the future will have this and professsional software appears to offer out of mux menus, but at a steep price. This message I found combined with languages and audio types being enumerated types seems to support this, as well as I couldn't find a DVD in my collection that does it either. Thanks for your help. Perhaps future standards will provide more exteensibility.
http://forums.creativecow.net/thread/155/872391

[gi7omy]

The studios do multi-language DVDs (different selectable audio tracks), but the price for that sort ofsoftware could probably equal the annual budget for a small country

[nicholasglen]

dvdit is only a $99 upgrade, and support 8 languages and 32 subtitle tracks.=, but it still wouldn't accomplish that. Subtitles and languages can be done easily with free software. U.S. tax money pays for a lot of the budgets of small countries(of course, another topic!). I spent 4 years in Cambodia!

[myguggi]

dvdit is only a $99 upgrade, and support 8 languages and 32 subtitle tracks.=, but it still wouldn't accomplish that. Subtitles and languages can be done easily with free software. U.S. tax money pays for a lot of the budgets of small countries(of course, another topic!). I spent 4 years in Cambodia!

Upgrade from what?

DVDit according to the Roxio website costs $499

[nicholasglen]

from myDVD, VideoWave, EasyCreator..details at http://www.roxio.com/enu/upgrade_center/dvdit/default.html
High-Def version is more, but I don't do blue-ray yet. I don't have enough "projects", just some holiday DVD's and converted all the home videos we had from youth. The $399 must be equivalent to MSRP!
I can't really justify the cost, even at $99, since I easily added language and audio tracks with free software, although the convenience of an interface would be nice.

[nicholasglen]

Thought I would update my findings.
Summary: What I wanted: To name audio tracks whatever i wanted. Why? I created a collage movie of home movies and want users to select from different types of music to watch this.
Conclusion: You can't name audio tracks, as they only correspond to languages, although the question of an out-of-mux menu is still possible but it is outside the scope of my research. Essentially this menu would map names to audio language tracks, but a two year old puts that out of reach.
What I did do? Quite a bit actually.
1) Using Easy Creator 2009 I created my movie and DVD and saved(burned it) to a folder. The DVD was 1 menu with four links, all pointing to the same movie (thus one title).
2) I used pgcdemux to separate audio and video streams
3) I used muxman to multiplex the video from above with 4 audio tracks the same length as the movie. You can have up to 8. I used Roxio's sound editor as it came with EasyCreator and create .ac3 sound files.
4) I used Vobblanker to substitute the Roxio title with the one from Muxman.
5) I used IFOedit to change permissions, eliminating all prohibited user actions on the title (so I can switch using controller). This could be done with pgcedit as well, but I discovered that later.
6) Since the link from the menu doesn't correspond to the correct audio track I used pgcedit (great program) to add a few basic DVD instructions at the beginning of the movie title. DVD's have instructions which connect the pieces and do different functions, as well as registers, both general and special. General registers can be used by the person writing the DVD and some of the special registers can be changed via general registers or functions. The registers can be manipulated either prior or after playing a title. pgcedit allows you to do a trace on the dvd commands, and which registers are used, and where they are changed.

When I clicked on a link on the DVD (link 3 for example), this was saved in a general register. In the calls prior to the title, I just moved this to another register that was not used, subtracted 1 (audio tracks are 0 based), then used SetSTN audio=general register. This changes the current audio track being played.

You can also used the audio functionality on the controller to change tracks during play, although the name can not be specific (succh as Gershwin or Meatloaf).

Questions posed in thread: Why not have a movie for each and have in DVD?
Well, one hour of high quality movies * 4 audio tracks would have meant 4 DVD's. The additional audio tracks do not add a lot of space (depends on length and quality).
Also, this would not have allowed users to switch during thre movie, as each movie would be a separate title.

Open: If you figure out how to do an out-of-mux menu please let me know.

I hope you found this interesting. The first go took some time but know I am able to cruise through the above with a DVD in no time at all.)