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[caroldhughes]

OK - maybe this isn't something you can help with - but maybe you can.  In the past I had problems with hearing what I am recording from LP - turned out to be a loose connection in the back of my computer.  Was using it last night - no problem but today, no sound again.  I have checked all the connections - plugged and unplugged everything.  The turntable appears to be working - when I chose "record mode" I can record and playback what I've recorded.  I just can't hear anything played from the turntable.  I can hear discs inserted into the appropriate drive.  I have gone to the control panel - sounds and audio devices - none of the items has "mute" selected.  (see I did learn something from our last discussion!)  Any suggestions?  My computer is about 1 1/2 years old - I have SoundMax Integrated Audio sound card.

[ogdens]

caroldhughes, on May 1 2006, 08:02 PM, said:

OK - maybe this isn't something you can help with - but maybe you can.  In the past I had problems with hearing what I am recording from LP - turned out to be a loose connection in the back of my computer.  Was using it last night - no problem but today, no sound again.  I have checked all the connections - plugged and unplugged everything.  The turntable appears to be working - when I chose "record mode" I can record and playback what I've recorded.  I just can't hear anything played from the turntable.  I can hear discs inserted into the appropriate drive.  I have gone to the control panel - sounds and audio devices - none of the items has "mute" selected.  (see I did learn something from our last discussion!)  Any suggestions?  My computer is about 1 1/2 years old - I have SoundMax Integrated Audio sound card.

Open Volume Control,  then under "Options" select "Properties", click "Recording" and insure that Line-In is checked. Click "OK" and you will see the volume controls for recording. Insure Line-In is selected (checked) as your recording device and set to a proper level

[caroldhughes]

ogdens, on May 1 2006, 04:12 PM, said:

Open Volume Control,  then under "Options" select "Properties", click "Recording" and insure that Line-In is checked. Click "OK" and you will see the volume controls for recording. Insure Line-In is selected (checked) as your recording device and set to a proper level

Line in is selected for both recording and playback - I reset the volume to its highest setting - still nothing.

[REDWAGON]

You say " the turntable appears to be working". Can you get sound from the turn table all by itself ? If you are recording from a "turn table", make sure that the device is getting amplification. Some turn tables have their own power amplification and others rely on an outside source. Couldn't hurt to check it out too.

Frank....

[caroldhughes]

I have a turn table that was specifically purchased to record LPs to CDs.  It has no speakers.  It is connected to my computer via the "in line" connection - so I listen through the computer speakers.  From what I can tell it does record - since I can lower the needle - see the recording in progress - can play what was recorded back - but I can't hear as I record.  I got this turn table because our music set up is in another room - and not convenient to my computer.  What now?

[ogdens]

caroldhughes, on May 2 2006, 08:22 PM, said:

I have a turn table that was specifically purchased to record LPs to CDs.  It has no speakers.  It is connected to my computer via the "in line" connection - so I listen through the computer speakers.  From what I can tell it does record - since I can lower the needle - see the recording in progress - can play what was recorded back - but I can't hear as I record.  I got this turn table because our music set up is in another room - and not convenient to my computer.  What now?

I'm confused....are you saying that the CD that you created is ok (sound is good), and that the problem is only that you can't hear the sound while you are creating the cd.

[REDWAGON]

I can't imagine what kind of turn table you have. If it has no speakers what good would it be ? By that I mean I have never seen a turn table that wasn't either part of a system that had an amplifier and speakers OR was capable of playing a record and being able to produce sound. So if it hasn't got any speaker system what part of the turn table are you hooking the cable to the goes from the turn table to the computer ?? Does this mean it only has analog ports (RCA jacks) for outputting the sound ? Never heard of such a turn table if that's right.

Please explain what kind of turn table (make/model) you have and the outlet s it has for sound.

Frank...

[ogdens]

redwagon713, on May 3 2006, 12:16 AM, said:

I can't imagine what kind of turn table you have. If it has no speakers what good would it be ? By that I mean I have never seen a turn table that wasn't either part of a system that had an amplifier and speakers OR was capable of playing a record and being able to produce sound. So if it hasn't got any speaker system what part of the turn table are you hooking the cable to the goes from the turn table to the computer ?? Does this mean it only has analog ports (RCA jacks) for outputting the sound ? Never heard of such a turn table if that's right.

Please explain what kind of turn table (make/model) you have and the outlet s it has for sound.

Frank...

In the users last post she said "can play what was recorded back ". This to me means what ever way she has set up the turntable, whether it has a built in speakers, a separete pre-amp or built in, whatever.....it WORKS.
Except ........  "but I can't hear as I record" .

Edited by ogdens, 03 May 2006 - 03:18 AM.

[d_deweywright]

redwagon713, on May 3 2006, 12:16 AM, said:

I can't imagine what kind of turn table you have. If it has no speakers what good would it be ? By that I mean I have never seen a turn table that wasn't either part of a system that had an amplifier and speakers OR was capable of playing a record and being able to produce sound. So if it hasn't got any speaker system what part of the turn table are you hooking the cable to the goes from the turn table to the computer ?? Does this mean it only has analog ports (RCA jacks) for outputting the sound ? Never heard of such a turn table if that's right.

Please explain what kind of turn table (make/model) you have and the outlet s it has for sound.

Frank...

Think of it as a component turntable, but I believe this one has it's own preamp built in for RIAA equalization and to give a line level signal.  Any "normal" component turntable is "no good" by itself.  It has no speakers and requires an appropriate preamp, amp, and speakers.  Well, this one is designed to give a line-level output so it can be plugged into an "Aux" or "Tape" input of a receiver/amplifier, or, in this case, into the line-in input of a sound card.  So, it's appropriate for this application.  

It was suggested above to look at the "Recording" properties, but I wonder if somehow the "Playback" properties may have been muted.

Do you hear any sound if you play the burned CD back on your PC?  Do you get any other Windows sounds through your speakers?

Edited by d_deweywright, 03 May 2006 - 05:20 AM.

[tbrewst]

I agree Dave,it's got to be a problem on the play settings.Is line-in muted in the play section of the mixer,not the record section?This would let the cd be played and Windows sounds be heard but not monitoring of the record process.

[lynn98109]

d_deweywright, on May 3 2006, 06:19 AM, said:

Think of it as a component turntable, but I believe this one has it's own preamp built in for RIAA equalization and to give a line level signal.  Any "normal" component turntable is "no good" by itself.  It has no speakers and requires an appropriate preamp, amp, and speakers.  Well, this one is designed to give a line-level output so it can be plugged into an "Aux" or "Tape" input of a receiver/amplifier, or, in this case, into the line-in input of a sound card.  So, it's appropriate for this application.  

It was suggested above to look at the "Recording" properties, but I wonder if somehow the "Playback" properties may have been muted.

Do you hear any sound if you play the burned CD back on your PC?  Do you get any other Windows sounds through your speakers?

RIGHT.

Years ago I had a turntable that worked just fine, but to do more than hear it directly from the needle, I had to plug the jack into the back of my radio.

(Yes.  Radio.  YEARS ago.)

Lynn

[REDWAGON]

I have two separate turn tables Dave and one has it's own amp and speakers and the other one is as you described as needing to be plugged into a receiver that had an Amp which in turn had a set of speakers. I am still curious of what make and model of turn table the OP has, that has no speakers and no Amp and can be just pludded into a line-in port on a computer. Never heard of such an animal but I also would never choose that method of recording audio to my computer.

If the audio can't be heard after recording on Windows Media Player then I would have to agree that a recording setting is not right. On the other hand I can't figure out how she is getting any sound at all based on what I have read so far. Especially when she suggests that she can "play what was recorded back" but with  no audio sound.

Frank....

[lynn98109]

redwagon713, on May 3 2006, 08:47 AM, said:

I have two separate turn tables Dave and one has it's own amp and speakers and the other one is as you described as needing to be plugged into a receiver that had an Amp which in turn had a set of speakers. I am still curious of what make and model of turn table the OP has, that has no speakers and no Amp and can be just pludded into a line-in port on a computer. Never heard of such an animal but I also would never choose that method of recording audio to my computer.

If the audio can't be heard after recording on Windows Media Player then I would have to agree that a recording setting is not right. On the other hand I can't figure out how she is getting any sound at all based on what I have read so far. Especially when she suggests that she can "play what was recorded back" but with  no audio sound.

Frank....

OP can hear the audio on the CD after it has been burned - when did WinPlayer get into this, anyway? - but can't hear it during the burn (checking as it goes).

('Course, I remember a setup on reel to reel that had two heads, so you could hear it and be erasing it at the same time - useful for things like echos, but dangerous just the same.)

Lynn

[d_deweywright]

redwagon713, on May 3 2006, 11:47 AM, said:

I have two separate turn tables Dave and one has it's own amp and speakers and the other one is as you described as needing to be plugged into a receiver that had an Amp which in turn had a set of speakers. I am still curious of what make and model of turn table the OP has, that has no speakers and no Amp and can be just pludded into a line-in port on a computer. Never heard of such an animal but I also would never choose that method of recording audio to my computer.

If the audio can't be heard after recording on Windows Media Player then I would have to agree that a recording setting is not right. On the other hand I can't figure out how she is getting any sound at all based on what I have read so far. Especially when she suggests that she can "play what was recorded back" but with  no audio sound.

Frank....

Actually I suspect such a beast is becoming more common as fewer receivers/amplifiers have "Phono" inputs.  A quick google search found me this.  Apparently at least Teac makes such a turntable.  

Neither of my turntables have an amp or speakers.  One is a belt-drive Pioneer, linear tracking turntable, and the other is my direct drive Accutrac 2000.  The Accutrac goes to a preamp powered off the game port on my PC, which in turn goes into the sound card.  (Nice little preamp, with selectable capacitance loading.)  The Pioneer is plugged into a JVC receiver.  (All equipment is at least 19 years old.  The Accutrac is almost 27 years old.)

So, the only difference between the OP's setup and mine is that I have a separate preamp.  Works for me!

[ogdens]

Lets wait till we hear back from the user, hopefully we will get some more info.

[REDWAGON]

Well Dave, at least the TEAC you pointed to has a pre-amp. Somewhere along the line I thought that the OP's turn table had no pre-amp and/or speakers. And that was pretty strange to me. Most all turn tables you see no days at least have a couple of analog audio output ports, UNLESS--the turn table is a part of a system that has a receiver with it's own pre-amp that the turn table uses. I have a Pioneer Sterio set (Model PD-M450) that has all the necessary hardware including a couple of huge stand up speakers, that I used to use to record LP's, tapes etc. to my computer. It's still working but it's years old and except for the speakers,I don't use it any more.

Frank....

[sknis]

I bought a Sony turntable last year for around $100.. It has an internal pre-amp so I can plug it directly into my computer to capture LPs.  I know that I can turn the preamp on or off but since the OP can hear the recorded CD, seeing if it is turned on is not the solution.  

I remember having a similar problem several years ago when the drivers on my audio card became corrupted.  Did the original poster update their drivers for the audio card?  

redwagon713, on May 3 2006, 04:19 PM, said:

Well Dave, at least the TEAC you pointed to has a pre-amp. Somewhere along the line I thought that the OP's turn table had no pre-amp and/or speakers. And that was pretty strange to me. Most all turn tables you see no days at least have a couple of analog audio output ports, UNLESS--the turn table is a part of a system that has a receiver with it's own pre-amp that the turn table uses. I have a Pioneer Sterio set (Model PD-M450) that has all the necessary hardware including a couple of huge stand up speakers, that I used to use to record LP's, tapes etc. to my computer. It's still working but it's years old and except for the speakers,I don't use it any more.

Frank....

Is it possible that she has the audio wire plugged into the computer in the mic jack rather than the line in jack.  She would be able to record from the mic and maybe even adjust the volume but if she has selected line-in, she will not hear the sound.  

ogdens, on May 1 2006, 07:12 PM, said:

Open Volume Control, then under "Options" select "Properties", click "Recording" and insure that Line-In is checked. Click "OK" and you will see the volume controls for recording. Insure Line-In is selected (checked) as your recording device and set to a proper level

[ogdens]

caroldhughes

Did you find the sound problem?

Edited by ogdens, 04 May 2006 - 03:09 PM.

[caroldhughes]

ogdens, on May 4 2006, 03:08 PM, said:

caroldhughes

Did you find the sound problem?

No - as I can see that there is some confusion about my setup - let me explain.  We have a tuner, CD, DVD, VHS, turntable, etc. in one room (and someone mentioned a TEAC - my husband who is "older" brought one of those back from the Phillipines (on his way back from Viet Nam - I vividly remember a reel-to-reel recording that someone made of the shelling of the barracks that he was sleeping in - he was in A-4 [(?) then later A-6's B/N - east coast - (VA-42, VA 176., VA-75, VA-85) for those of you who understand the jargon].  Anyway - we have that set up in one room - and then there is my computer area - and as I had said that I would record his LP's to CD's - I bought a turntable from Radio Shack that has a pre-amp as a part of the deal.  I have a "wire/cable" thing that has two wires that come out of the turntable - and plugs that are then inserted into a plug that is dual as it feeds in - and then has a single pin that inserts into the "line in" of my computer.  I did learn from tbwrest and d_deweywright that I could not use the "mic" line - and I have been using the "line in" since then and have had no problems - until last week.  I was successfully recording LP to CD (while listening to the LP) one day - and then the next day - I wasn't able to listen as I recorded.  I guess that I am concerned that I have an inexpensive turntable (about $100.00) and maybe it died.  It isn't like it has been used day in and day out - I would estimate that the total time in use is maybe a month - and this is the only use that it gets.....  I can record (I see the fluctuations in the wave length) and play back - but I just can't hear.  And as some of the LP's show 4 tracks as you look at them - but the literature says that there are 5 tracks - I would prefer to listen to it as it records - to ascertain where the track breaks really should be.

I am confident that between all the computer brains out there you can figure out what is wrong.  I await your wisdom.....

[d_deweywright]

caroldhughes, on May 4 2006, 09:51 PM, said:

No - as I can see that there is some confusion about my setup - let me explain.  We have a tuner, CD, DVD, VHS, turntable, etc. in one room (and someone mentioned a TEAC - my husband who is "older" brought one of those back from the Phillipines (on his way back from Viet Nam - I vividly remember a reel-to-reel recording that someone made of the shelling of the barracks that he was sleeping in - he was in A-4 [(?) then later A-6's B/N - east coast - (VA-42, VA 176., VA-75, VA-85) for those of you who understand the jargon].  Anyway - we have that set up in one room - and then there is my computer area - and as I had said that I would record his LP's to CD's - I bought a turntable from Radio Shack that has a pre-amp as a part of the deal.  I have a "wire/cable" thing that has two wires that come out of the turntable - and plugs that are then inserted into a plug that is dual as it feeds in - and then has a single pin that inserts into the "line in" of my computer.  I did learn from tbwrest and d_deweywright that I could not use the "mic" line - and I have been using the "line in" since then and have had no problems - until last week.  I was successfully recording LP to CD (while listening to the LP) one day - and then the next day - I wasn't able to listen as I recorded.  I guess that I am concerned that I have an inexpensive turntable (about $100.00) and maybe it died.  It isn't like it has been used day in and day out - I would estimate that the total time in use is maybe a month - and this is the only use that it gets.....  I can record (I see the fluctuations in the wave length) and play back - but I just can't hear.  And as some of the LP's show 4 tracks as you look at them - but the literature says that there are 5 tracks - I would prefer to listen to it as it records - to ascertain where the track breaks really should be.

I am confident that between all the computer brains out there you can figure out what is wrong.  I await your wisdom.....

Well, I don't feel confused about your setup.  From what you've said, even though you can't hear while you're recording, you do get an indication that a signal is being recorded, which tentatively would indicate that the turntable and it's preamp are working.

Now, there were some other questions to you woven into the conversation:

Do you hear any "normal" Windows sounds from your speakers?

If you play a CD, do you get any sound out of your speakers?

You said you checked the "Record" settings in the mixer, but have you also checked the "Playback" settings?

If you use EMC to write a CD of the files you couldn't hear while you were recording, and play the CD back on your stereo, is there sound on the CD?  (Even if you don't split the songs out, go ahead and write an Audio CD, they're not that expensive and we need the diagnostic information.)

Let us know!