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Posted 11 May 2009 - 02:37 PM

What version of lame is used in roxio 8?

when I convert cd to mp3 and choose vbr it stays pretty close to whatever kpbs I select but other mp3s I have

go from 320 to 192 to 320, etc how do you do that?
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Posted 11 May 2009 - 03:19 PM

QUOTE (airtas @ May 11 2009, 04:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What version of lame is used in roxio 8?

when I convert cd to mp3 and choose vbr it stays pretty close to whatever kpbs I select but other mp3s I have

go from 320 to 192 to 320, etc how do you do that?


Don't know, I don't have version 8 installed anymore.

For what you want I would suggest the FREE application EAC, Exact Audio Copy... http://www.exactaudiocopy.de/

You use whatever version of Lame you want...good stuff and free..

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Posted 11 May 2009 - 06:42 PM

QUOTE (cdanteek @ May 11 2009, 04:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Don't know, I don't have version 8 installed anymore.

For what you want I would suggest the FREE application EAC, Exact Audio Copy... http://www.exactaudiocopy.de/

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how do I get the larger vbr range?
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Posted 12 May 2009 - 04:20 AM

Are we talking about EAC? If so you pick the bitrate, set options for VBR, the program does the rest.

Here is a rip from EAC set to 192 VBR bitrate, it shows the different bitrates from the wav rip to MP3 conversion.

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Posted 12 May 2009 - 11:08 AM

QUOTE (cdanteek @ May 12 2009, 04:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Are we talking about EAC? If so you pick the bitrate, set options for VBR, the program does the rest.

Here is a rip from EAC set to 192 VBR bitrate, it shows the different bitrates from the wav rip to MP3 conversion.

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No I am talking about the MP3 encoder in ROxio
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Posted 12 May 2009 - 04:06 PM

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What version of lame is used in roxio 8?


Version 3.96.1 in my EMC 8.

Have a look in C:\Program Files\Common Files\Roxio Shared\SharedCom\Lame and you should see the .TAR in there.


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Posted 12 May 2009 - 05:47 PM

QUOTE (Brendon @ May 12 2009, 04:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Version 3.96.1 in my EMC 8.

Have a look in C:\Program Files\Common Files\Roxio Shared\SharedCom\Lame and you should see the .TAR in there.

any idea why the vbr range is off?
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Posted 12 May 2009 - 06:41 PM

ripped another cd and i chose VBR and it was 320 the whole time


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Posted 13 May 2009 - 04:56 AM

What advantages do you expect to see with a VBR mp3 file? Read the article closely.

VBR compression is "variable" tongue.gif based on the music you are trying to use. If the music is complex throughout, or has the same but lss complex nature throughout, then the VBR won't have much of a range.

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding what you are trying to accomplish.
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Posted 13 May 2009 - 06:02 AM

QUOTE (sknis @ May 13 2009, 06:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What advantages do you expect to see with a VBR mp3 file? Read the article closely.

VBR compression is "variable" tongue.gif based on the music you are trying to use. If the music is complex throughout, or has the same but lss complex nature throughout, then the VBR won't have much of a range.

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding what you are trying to accomplish.



Variable Bitrate Compression, Benefits...

LAME's default VBR method tests the actual output quality to ensure the desired quality level is always achieved.

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Posted 13 May 2009 - 07:24 AM

QUOTE (cdanteek @ May 13 2009, 09:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Variable Bitrate Compression, Benefits...

LAME's default VBR method tests the actual output quality to ensure the desired quality level is always achieved.

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Well, duh ! That is not what I asked. I knew that much blink.gif

I asked the poster what the OP hoped to achieve by using mp3 VBR. If space (file size) is the only thing then I'll accept that. If overall quality, I may not accept that. unsure.gif

If the op just wants compressed music to put on a mp3 player, and the player supports wma and or AAC, then I believe that the general consensus (per other forums) is that at the same bit rate, wma is superior to mp3. It may also be true that wma at a much lower bit rate is better than a mp3 compressed file. Of course a lot of players will accept AAC which is supposed to be better than both.

To tell you the truth, I have a ZEN that will take all three (I haven't tried AAC) but I can't really tell the difference with mp3 VBR and wma. I don't know if EMC 8 will make an AAC file.

By the way Batch Convert and Transfer in Creator 2009 works great. (I know the thread is in EMC 8 but the Op may want to update.)

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Posted 13 May 2009 - 08:17 AM

I just want to know why VBR is not VBR if Roxio uses LAME?


if you use LAME with EAC the VBR works.


Do I need to do something with the TAR file maybe?
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Posted 13 May 2009 - 09:12 AM

QUOTE (airtas @ May 13 2009, 10:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I just want to know why VBR is not VBR if Roxio uses LAME?


if you use LAME with EAC the VBR works.


Do I need to do something with the TAR file maybe?



Question 1. How do you know they aren't?

Download and install the free EncSpot 2.0 build 817, here....

It is a MP3 Analyzer, under options settings, click the columns tab, click the + next to general , put a check mark in VBR box....

Now from the left window navigate to a Roxio encoded MP3 file, click it and it will load in the right window, look at the VBR column....

Question 2. Yes.

Question 3. Don't have a clue what your talking about.

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Posted 21 May 2009 - 10:06 AM

QUOTE (cdanteek @ May 13 2009, 10:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Question 1. How do you know they aren't?

Download and install the free EncSpot 2.0 build 817, here....

It is a MP3 Analyzer, under options settings, click the columns tab, click the + next to general , put a check mark in VBR box....

Now from the left window navigate to a Roxio encoded MP3 file, click it and it will load in the right window, look at the VBR column....

Question 2. Yes.

Question 3. Don't have a clue what your talking about.

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when using winamp it shows the file and the Bitrate I ripped a cd with 2009 and it works great just wondering if version 8 has known VBR issues
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Posted 21 May 2009 - 03:15 PM

If it has, they're not going to be fixed now. Both version 8 and version 9 are "out of support" now.
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Posted 29 May 2009 - 07:36 PM

QUOTE (Brendon @ May 21 2009, 04:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If it has, they're not going to be fixed now. Both version 8 and version 9 are "out of support" now.



can you add an encoder?
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Posted 30 May 2009 - 04:39 AM

You could try, but there's one there already. You'd probably have to reverse engineer it to substitute another version.
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