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#1 hoovinc

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Posted 16 June 2009 - 11:20 AM

After reading around this webpage.  This is what I understand.  
Using Roxio 2009.-- a) You can Burn AVCHD files to a regular DVD..and can only watch it using Blue-ray player...if you want HD quality.

b)By burning an AVCHD in to a DVD disc with the intent of watching it in regular dvd player--it wont be HD quality.

My concern is if I want to share it with other people--they may not have Blue-ray player.  But, I would like to have it viewed as close to HD quality as my camcorder shot it.


Just bought an HF20.

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Posted 16 June 2009 - 11:36 AM

QUOTE (hoovinc @ Jun 16 2009, 02:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
After reading around this webpage.  This is what I understand.  
Using Roxio 2009.-- a) You can Burn AVCHD files to a regular DVD..and can only watch it using Blue-ray player...if you want HD quality.

b)By burning an AVCHD in to a DVD disc with the intent of watching it in regular dvd player--it wont be HD quality.

My concern is if I want to share it with other people--they may not have Blue-ray player.  But, I would like to have it viewed as close to HD quality as my camcorder shot it.


Just bought an HF20.

thanks


If you want almost HD quality, then the AVCHD disc is the way to go.  Yes, it has to be played on a blu-ray player that is capable of playing the AVCHD disc.  Not all are.

Remember the old saying -garbage in=garbage out"?  Well it is just the opposite here.  HD quality in, will result in a very good standard quality out on a regular DVD. I have an HV 30 and just using an upconverting DVD player, the video is quite impressive.

What computer do you have?  Make sure it far exceeds the minimum specs required for the program.  

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Posted 16 June 2009 - 12:02 PM

hello guys, thnks for responding.

I have a an Intel quad core 2.66ghz, nvidia 8800 gts 640mb, 8gigs..blah blah.

I haven't purhased the software (roxio 2009), i used the very simple Pixela software that come with canon hf20.  It was a basic AVCHD burn to DVD--I played it in regular dvd connected to a 46inch HDTV.  It's a lil' better than what my Standard DVD produced.  But, I was hoping it would've been close to what the HF20 brings to the table.

Maybe,it's pixela having no options for optimal output?  I'm also going to try Sony VEgas..but a lil' tired of learning it.  That's why i'm here now..cuz Roxio sees waaay simpler.

Does Roxio 2009 have options to burn AVCHD to dvd's in different settings?

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Posted 16 June 2009 - 12:51 PM

QUOTE (hoovinc @ Jun 16 2009, 03:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
hello guys, thnks for responding.

I have a an Intel quad core 2.66ghz, nvidia 8800 gts 640mb, 8gigs..blah blah.

I haven't purhased the software (roxio 2009), i used the very simple Pixela software that come with canon hf20.  It was a basic AVCHD burn to DVD--I played it in regular dvd connected to a 46inch HDTV.  It's a lil' better than what my Standard DVD produced.  But, I was hoping it would've been close to what the HF20 brings to the table.

Maybe,it's pixela having no options for optimal output?  I'm also going to try Sony VEgas..but a lil' tired of learning it.  That's why i'm here now..cuz Roxio sees waaay simpler.

Does Roxio 2009 have options to burn AVCHD to dvd's in different settings?


Yes, from this highest quality

avchd_quality.jpg

to this lowest quality with a couple of stops in the middle.

avchdqualitylow.jpg

as for the easiest; try a few and what seems to be most logical is the one to get.  If you buy Creator 2009 from their store, you have 30 days to get a refund.  I've seen it advertised for sales at around $50.
Regardless of what I say about computer maintenance, there is no need to defrag a solid state hard drive.

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Posted 16 June 2009 - 12:55 PM

Hey Sknis,  there's an error when I click on the .jpg files you linked.  I guess what you're trying to show me is that Roxio has changeable settings for DVD output..right?

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Posted 16 June 2009 - 02:03 PM

QUOTE (hoovinc @ Jun 16 2009, 04:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's a lil' better than what my Standard DVD produced.  But, I was hoping it would've been close to what the HF20 brings to the table.
When down converting to standard definition, the quality just won't be close to hidef simply because it isn't hidef.
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Posted 17 June 2009 - 01:28 AM

QUOTE (hoovinc @ Jun 16 2009, 03:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hey Sknis,  there's an error when I click on the .jpg files you linked.  I guess what you're trying to show me is that Roxio has changeable settings for DVD output..right?

thanks


Yes, for AVCHD settings you can get from 1920 by 1080p to 1280 by 720p.  Of course, all standard DVD are 480.

What browser are you using?  You should not have to click on anything to see the images.  They have been uploaded to the wen site.
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Posted 17 June 2009 - 06:11 AM

Hey Thanks for that Sknis..I can see the file now.

a couple more questions please:

1) I learned that Roxio 2009 has blue-ray plug-in to burn blue-ray quality in regular DVD disc, is this right?  That means I don't need a blue-ray burner?   I will eventually buy one (save up first)..just so I can burn blue-rays.

Have u had any issues with burning using blue-rays, regular dvd's?

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Posted 17 June 2009 - 07:33 AM

QUOTE (hoovinc @ Jun 17 2009, 09:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hey Thanks for that Sknis..I can see the file now.

a couple more questions please:

1) I learned that Roxio 2009 has blue-ray plug-in to burn blue-ray quality in regular DVD disc, is this right?  That means I don't need a blue-ray burner?   I will eventually buy one (save up first)..just so I can burn blue-rays.

Have u had any issues with burning using blue-rays, regular dvd's?


Once more

Standard DVD (480) no plug in required.

AVCHD (1080) on standard DVD media and standard DVD burner requires the plug in if you buy the regular Creator 2009; the plug in comes included with the Ultimate.  The Ultimate has other valuable programs with it.  You can get 30 to 40 minutes on an AVCHD disc. The DVD player must be able to play AVCHD format; some do, some don't.   This is what I do an am very pleased with the results.

Blu-Ray (1080) requires a blu-ray burner, blu-ray discs, and of course a Blu-Ray player.  You can get several hours of video on a disc.  I do not have a Blu-ray burner (yet).

Don't forget that the TV has to be able to play HD @ 1080; some only do 720.

Edited by sknis, 17 June 2009 - 07:36 AM.

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Posted 17 June 2009 - 05:14 PM

QUOTE (sknis @ Jun 17 2009, 11:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The DVD player must be able to play AVCHD format; some do, some don't.   This is what I do an am very pleased with the results.
Could you post what brand/model you have?  I have been searching for something like that and haven't found anything. THanks
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Posted 18 June 2009 - 02:50 AM

QUOTE (ggrussell @ Jun 17 2009, 08:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Could you post what brand/model you have?  I have been searching for something like that and haven't found anything. THanks


Sony BDP-BX1.  Now obsolete or over priced.  It was the same as the Sony BDP-S350   (I think) that was "designed" for Cosco.  I looked around and found it on-line for around $200.  I liked it so much that I bought one for my son but had to pay $250.  You may be able to find one on e-bay.

A lot of the tech information doesn't mention AVCHD discs but if they mention a color scheme for AVC, they can usually play AVCHD disc.  Ask before you buy.  Or better still, take a disc to a big box store to see how you like the picture.  smile.gif

Edited by sknis, 18 June 2009 - 02:52 AM.

Regardless of what I say about computer maintenance, there is no need to defrag a solid state hard drive.

PC  Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit  
Velocity Micro ProMagix ©HD 60; evga x58 motherboard, Intel i7 @2.93, 12G RAM, EVGA Nvidia 560TI superclocked video card, SoundBlaster X-Fi Xtreme audio card, Buffalo external blu-ray burner; Creator 2012. PhotoShow 6, VHS to DVD 3Plus.

Laptop - Windows 7 Home
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Apple =OSX 10.5
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#12 hoovinc

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Posted 18 June 2009 - 03:22 AM

Hello again,

Thanks for all these informational responses.

Just found out something that concerns me:  My canon hf20 records in 60i/pf30/pf24.  I have 2 TV's one of them i believe is 1080p (which i prefer using the most cuz it's newer).  I hook up my hf20 via HDMI cable (so it shld be as true resolution as possible), and the quality is NOT so great.  There is an ugly gradiation of pixels especially on shadowed areas. You can also see this in faces shot (mostly indoors, but still with good light). In outside it's not as troublesome to look at.  

Is this because my TV is 1080p and HF20 records in 1080i?  Can Roxio convert to such recordings (1080p)? Now, i'm thinking if I shld return the camera and get the more expensive hfs100 for true 1080p recording.  Is there any way to get around this?

I got my hf20 in best buy on sale and a few coupons...final retail at $650..so I'll feel bad if I return this...such a good deal, i think.

thnks again!

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Posted 18 June 2009 - 06:14 AM

QUOTE (sknis @ Jun 18 2009, 06:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sony BDP-BX1.
Ah... Bluray player, not a DVD player. LOL  I was thinking you had an upconverting DVD player that could also play AVCHD discs.

Edited by ggrussell, 18 June 2009 - 06:15 AM.

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