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[garneau2]

Mac 10.3.9

Toast 6.1.1

Burning Data

Toast can verify, fill Ram cache, then hangs on "Writing Lead-in"

I tried 6 times today and it worked 1 time. (So, I have 5 new coasters)

Re-started computer 2 or 3 times to no avail.

Burner is Sony DVD RW DW-U18A  Firewire

DVDs are DVD-R.

I tried to see if the Burner needs a new Driver; but can't find it (even on Sony Web Site)

Edited by garneau2, 22 May 2006 - 02:06 PM.

[tsantee]

It may be incompatibility with that specific brand of media with that drive (and its firmware). Or maybe it will work to burn at a slower speed (choose one that is in bold face). Also, try Save as Disc Image from the File menu and then burn the disc image to DVD using the Image File setting in the Copy window.

[garneau2]

tsantee, on May 22 2006, 06:56 PM, said:

It may be incompatibility with that specific brand of media with that drive (and its firmware). Or maybe it will work to burn at a slower speed (choose one that is in bold face). Also, try Save as Disc Image from the File menu and then burn the disc image to DVD using the Image File setting in the Copy window.

Thanks Tsantee,
I tried the Disc Image, I trried at 2X, I changed media brand and it still doesn't burn.

I was able to burn 4 CDs with it, no problem.

Any other ideas?

[ivanatrox]

It looks like a drive/media issue if you are able to burn CDs but not DVDs. What brand of media have you tried?

[greenjeensus]

I've never had a problem with creating CD's fron my itunes library, but today Toast gives me an error message that it can't complete the last comand do to Mac OS error. Burning stops just as the RAM cach is starting to fill. One song proceeded out of over 10 tries. No Coaster since it won't begin the burn, but I have a medium cache size set up IIRC. I can burn a CD to CD-R so the drive and connections are good. Toast just won't read my library for some reason. See my post.

I also have Panther 10.3.9. Did you just do a Mac Suggested Quicktime update to 7.1.1 by any chance?

[garneau2]

So far I've tried Sony, and Staples (Business Depot) DVDs.

I guess I'll have to try other brands.

No, I haven't upgraded QuickTime yet. I guess I shouldn't?

[greenjeensus]

garneau2, on Jun 3 2006, 10:50 AM, said:

So far I've tried Sony, and Staples (Business Depot) DVDs.

I guess I'll have to try other brands.

No, I haven't upgraded QuickTime yet. I guess I shouldn't?

I wouldn't udgrade Quicktime to 7.1.1 especially since there is no downgrading option. I'm faced with reloading my OS and then not updating Quicktime, which is a major hassle. Perhaps if they had a downgrader for Quicktime, then it would be MUCH easier to go back should any problems arise. If you look at all the posts about broken items and the last Quicktime release. It's hard to say what will happen. It's not like everyone gets the same results with the Qicktime update...at all!

I like Verbatim CD and DVD blank media, but I use the inkjet printable media to make beautiful printed labels with an Epson 320, direct on media printer option.
Always buy data media discs with a "for Music"  indicating lower quality. The reasoning is music files don't need higher quality data reproduction and can have more errors  than discs designed to duplicate higher compliance data .

(real)Taiyo Yuden media, apparently is the highest quality producer. Verbatim is better in general, with some higher grade archival discs. Check out supermedia store, CDfreaks etc for CD media reviews. Using cheap media that will break down in heat and with age is rare, but CD and DVD edia that has a decent archival life should be considered.

http://club.cdfreaks...isplay.php?f=33

http://www.cdmediawo...factories.shtml

Make sure you check the CD/DVD drive for the that particular drives recommended burn speeds. Slower, say 16x for CD and 2x for DVD for example produces better readability for playback in other possible picky readers, down the road. But that's recommmend speeds for my Pioneer DV 109 drive.

Dave

[garneau2]

greenjeensus, on Jun 3 2006, 02:01 PM, said:

I wouldn't udgrade Quicktime to 7.1.1 especially since there is no downgrading option.

Always buy data media discs with a "for Music"  indicating lower quality. The reasoning is music files don't need higher quality data reproduction and can have more errors  than discs designed to duplicate higher compliance data .

(real)Taiyo Yuden media, apparently is the highest quality producer. Verbatim is better in general, with some higher grade archival discs. Check out supermedia store, CDfreaks etc for CD media reviews. Using cheap media that will break down in heat and with age is rare, but CD and DVD edia that has a decent archival life should be considered.

Make sure you check the CD/DVD drive for the that particular drives recommended burn speeds.

Dave

Thanks Dave for the suggestions.
I've just tried Verbatim and the first DVD failed to burn (I always burn the DVD at 2x and the CDs at 8X or 12X). By the way I'm trying to burn Digital Photos.

Should DVD+R would make a difference? I've got a Blue&White Mac with a G4 Processor in it (450 MHZ), I'm starting to think there might be something not compatible. I don't know much about hardware though.

[greenjeensus]

garneau2, on Jun 4 2006, 01:30 PM, said:

Thanks Dave for the suggestions.
I've just tried Verbatim and the first DVD failed to burn (I always burn the DVD at 2x and the CDs at 8X or 12X). By the way I'm trying to burn Digital Photos.

Should DVD+R would make a difference? I've got a Blue&White Mac with a G4 Processor in it (450 MHZ), I'm starting to think there might be something not compatible. I don't know much about hardware though.

What is the burner Model number and how old is it? DVd has got much better rapidly.
Wild guess... get a new burner if everything else is set correctly...



IIRC some drive makers started with supporting DVD+R or-R more (forgot the political/economic reasons) but most drives are universal now with some having DVD (CD?) RAM.
I have a G4 400MHz sawtooth using Panther 10.3.9 and I burn Backp video DVD's all the time. If my unit can handle motion, then pictures should be no problem. Of course I turn off everything possible while I'm burning DVDs since it's so processor intensive.

I use MTR (look it up) and Toast for DVDs with no problems, just converts/compresses and burns a little slower than a faster processor.

I can't reccomend OWC plug and play burners highly enough. The DV-109 dual layer drive is used in mass duplication machines. Readability is almost universal, but there are always little incompatabilities among a few drives and certain media burns. The drives are getting faster all the time. I don't recall Sony as being particulary great.
CD freaks revues drives and media in detail, do they list your model?

I still needed to install patchburn to get my OWC  drive working with OS X.


Patchbun...
"If you run into problems during installation or after, please read the PatchBurn FAQ under:
http://www.patchburn.de/faq.html
? Program Use
This program generates and installs so called device profiles for CD/DVD-burners that are available on Mac-OS X systems. This allows many, otherwise unsupported burners to be used directly with Mac-OS X,  iTunes and DiscBurner."

Edited by greenjeensus, 04 June 2006 - 04:16 PM.

[tsantee]

If the problem happens when the buffer starts to fill then the problem is with Toast trying to read a file. If it happens at the start of the burn after the buffer is full then the problem is with the drive starting to burn to the media.

Choosing Save as Disc Image from the File menu instead of clicking the burn button can  sometimes prevent some burning problems, or at least provide new information about the problem. If you can't Save as Disc Image then the problem is certainly related to a file Toast can't read.

[greenjeensus]

tsantee, on Jun 5 2006, 07:56 AM, said:

If the problem happens when the buffer starts to fill then the problem is with Toast trying to read a file. If it happens at the start of the burn after the buffer is full then the problem is with the drive starting to burn to the media.

Choosing Save as Disc Image from the File menu instead of clicking the burn button can  sometimes prevent some burning problems, or at least provide new information about the problem. If you can't Save as Disc Image then the problem is certainly related to a file Toast can't read.

Good point to watch when the failures occur to at least get some idea where the data gets stuck.
The error messages came up just as the buffer was starting to fill or before.

[garneau2]

tsantee, on Jun 5 2006, 06:56 AM, said:

If the problem happens when the buffer starts to fill then the problem is with Toast trying to read a file. If it happens at the start of the burn after the buffer is full then the problem is with the drive starting to burn to the media.

Choosing Save as Disc Image from the File menu instead of clicking the burn button can  sometimes prevent some burning problems, or at least provide new information about the problem. If you can't Save as Disc Image then the problem is certainly related to a file Toast can't read.

Toast verifies, fills the RAM Cache then hangs when it says: Writing Lead-in
So, is that when the buffer starts to fill or after?

Model name is SONY DVD RW DW-U18A (I bought it 1.5 years ago – I've always had problems with it but never had the time to troubleshoot it until recently - hugh, I'll know better next time)

I tried the Disk image, it didn't work.

I've downloaded "Patchbun"; but it says that it works with Disk Burner; the last time I tried Disk Burner it changed the Modified date of all the files it burned – pretty weird way of doing things – it's not acceptable for  burning Digital Photos or Graphic Files.

If nothing works, I'll have to buy a new one.

[tsantee]

garneau2, on Jun 5 2006, 05:51 PM, said:

Toast verifies, fills the RAM Cache then hangs when it says: Writing Lead-in
So, is that when the buffer starts to fill or after?

Model name is SONY DVD RW DW-U18A (I bought it 1.5 years ago – I've always had problems with it but never had the time to troubleshoot it until recently - hugh, I'll know better next time)

I tried the Disk image, it didn't work.

I've downloaded "Patchbun"; but it says that it works with Disk Burner; the last time I tried Disk Burner it changed the Modified date of all the files it burned – pretty weird way of doing things – it's not acceptable for  burning Digital Photos or Graphic Files.

If nothing works, I'll have to buy a new one.

The problem is happening when the burning is supposed to commence. Typically this is a drive firmware or media issue but it also could be a problem with the drive or with the Firewire communication. You can check with Sony to see if a firmware update is available. It would require connecting the drive to a PC to install.

As for a possible Firewire problem, download and apply Apple's Combined System Update on top of your existing System. The incremental system updates are known to create odd USB 2 and Firewire quirks that nearly always are cured by applying the Combined System Update. It does not harm and I recommend this as a troubleshooting step.