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[PeterSanders]

Hi

My Sister in law has created 7 video productions (with Creator 2009), a total of approximately 2 hours of video.

In the production settings she set the video to 16:9 as required but forgot to set the editing format to PAL, so the editor in VideoWave was using the NTSC frame rate and time.

ASFAIK this should not be a problem when creating the actual DVD output if I set the DVD output to be PAL format.

Using MyDvd I have created (with Creator 2009) several DVD's using the first 4 of these (NTSC) productions and there have been various problems.

1. Though the combo cd/dvd burner (in the new Compaq laptop) supports all the "normal" formats,  MyDvd only displays and offers the choice of -R DL or +R DL.

2. Two of the created dvd's have only been recognised by two DVD players as a CD rom (???) Examining the dvd in the pc shows available space as 0 and used space a little under 4gb as per the normal 4.7gb dvd.

3. The last dvd created did work on first insertion in the dvd player. After pressing the stop button and then pressing play again a warning was shown on the tv "Incompatible TV system". This is usually caused by the dvd being NTSC and the player set to PAL. If I set the dvd player to NTSC (for a true NTSC disc) it works fine with a TRUE NTSC disc. I then set the dvd player back to PAL for PAL dvd's. Normally this is no real problem just a change for the appropriate dvd format.

With this last dvd I created, the dvd would NOT play as an NTSC format dvd. It did (and still does) initially play as PAL and after ejecting the disc and reinserting it does play again as a PAL dvd. Each time I stop the dvd I cannot begin to play again until the dvd is ejected and reinserted.

My thoughts are that although the dvd format is PAL, if the video was edited as NTSC maybe this will this cause the odd dvd player behavior?

Is it possible for all of the existing productions to change the "editing" production settings to PAL format? or do the productions have to be recreated in the PAL format? The options are grayed out when I examine the edit production settings so I presume a change is not possible?

BTW I create the disk image on hard disk first, then use the burn image to disc option.

kind regrds

Peter

Edited by PeterSanders, 09 August 2009 - 12:12 AM.

[myguggi]

Hi

My Sister in law has created 7 video productions (with Creator 2009), a total of approximately 2 hours of video.

In the production settings she set the video to 16:9 as required but forgot to set the editing format to PAL, so the editor in VideoWave was using the NTSC frame rate and time.

ASFAIK this should not be a problem when creating the actual DVD output if I set the DVD output to be PAL format.

Using MyDvd I have created (with Creator 2009) several DVD's using the first 4 of these (NTSC) productions and there have been various problems.

1. Though the combo cd/dvd burner (in the new Compaq laptop) supports all the "normal" formats,  MyDvd only displays and offers the choice of -R DL or +R DL.

2. Two of the created dvd's have only been recognised by two DVD players as a CD rom (???) Examining the dvd in the pc shows available space as 0 and used space a little under 4gb as per the normal 4.7gb dvd.

3. The last dvd created did work on first insertion in the dvd player. After pressing the stop button and then pressing play again a warning was shown on the tv "Incompatible TV system". This is usually caused by the dvd being NTSC and the player set to PAL. If I set the dvd player to NTSC (for a true NTSC disc) it works fine with a TRUE NTSC disc. I then set the dvd player back to PAL for PAL dvd's. Normally this is no real problem just a change for the appropriate dvd format.

With this last dvd I created, the dvd would NOT play as an NTSC format dvd. It did (and still does) initially play as PAL and after ejecting the disc and reinserting it does play again as a PAL dvd. Each time I stop the dvd I cannot begin to play again until the dvd is ejected and reinserted.

My thoughts are that although the dvd format is PAL, if the video was edited as NTSC maybe this will this cause the odd dvd player behavior?

Is it possible for all of the existing productions to change the "editing" production settings to PAL format? or do the productions have to be recreated in the PAL format? The options are grayed out when I examine the edit production settings so I presume a change is not possible?

BTW I create the disk image on hard disk first, then use the burn image to disc option.

kind regrds

Peter

Why is she using 16:9/ Is the input video in that ratio?

The -R/+R DL option is only enabled when you create an image file and you want to eventually burn to a DL DVD. If you are not doing that, you can ignore it.

Are you playing the DVDs on NTSC or PAL players or are the players able to play both. A burned video DVD will always show 0 space available since they are always finalized after burning.

For #3 I have no idea. Obviously a NTSC DVD can only be played on a player capable of playing NTSC, same for PAL.

As far as I know you cannot change the NTSC/PAL settings once you have started the project in videowave. You can of course switch in myDVD from one to the other.

[PeterSanders]

Why is she using 16:9/ Is the input video in that ratio?

Yes, the input is 16:9.

The -R/+R DL option is only enabled when you create an image file and you want to eventually burn to a DL DVD. If you are not doing that, you can ignore it.

I am creating an image file, though only a single layer image ie 4.7gb. I presume then that Creator 2009 handles the burning to whatever dvd is in the drive, eg -R, +R etc without me having to specify the type - the other types are not shown (so far anyway).

Are you playing the DVDs on NTSC or PAL players or are the players able to play both.

I have a more expensive Panasonic DVD player (and HDD recorder) and a cheap AU$60 dvd player. Both dvd players used for the "testing" of the created dvd can play both formats PAL and NTSC. One player the cheap one does it automatically the Panasonic player requires the user to change the setting.

More additional peculiarities occurred yesterday Another dvd that was being created yesterday while I was posting the question, was tested after it completed successfully. On the (expensive) Panasonic DVD player, THIS DVD initially displayed the same "Incompatible TV system" error BUT only showed it TWICE. After that no matter what I did the DVD played fine. The previous DVD would display the error every time except when  first put in the player - it ALWAYS plays the first time the DVD is inserted.

I burned another dvd today and in the Panasonic player this dvd shows the error every time I stop the dvd then try to play from the same place it was stopped (ie all I do is press stop and play) or try to display the menu and the error occurs. If I change the input of the dvd player to TV (ie the Panasonic player has a TV tuner) and then change back to the dvd it PLAYS
but of course only until I stop the play, then the error occurs again. - weird huh?

This very same dvd plays without error on the cheap player. I could almost live with the problem if the dvd's were for me as I could work with the oddities, however my sister in law who is not computer literate requires the dvd to work as expected, first time every time as she would not know if any error was her doing or that of the computer or software etc. I have given her the "one time" (Panasonic) faulty disc to check in her player at home.

My overall concern is though, that the initial editing was done in NTSC frames/timing and would like to know what, if any, influence that may/will have on the final PAL encoded output. FWIW the original movies were recorded on a PAL format video camera.

Some time today I will create another (small movie) using the PAL editing frame/timing and see if that makes a difference with the Panasonic player. My thoughts are now, that the Panasonic player is perhaps too unforgiving with the media format being played.

A burned video DVD will always show 0 space available since they are always finalized after burning.

Yes, I understand that, the info was only really included as an indication of the media used. Showing that the media was indeed a dvd but was recognised by two dvd players as a cd.

For #3 I have no idea. Obviously a NTSC DVD can only be played on a player capable of playing NTSC, same for PAL.

Me neither, both players can play either format though the cheap player does its format selection automatically the more expensive Panasonic player has to be set manually!

As far as I know you cannot change the NTSC/PAL settings once you have started the project in videowave. You can of course switch in myDVD from one to the other.

That is what I thought, hence my need to create a movie with PAL framing and timing in the editor and try the newly created movie in both players.

Kind regards

Peter