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#1 HappyBob

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Posted 16 August 2009 - 08:27 PM

Any suggestions for capturing youtube videos at best quality for use in videowave productions.

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Posted 16 August 2009 - 09:48 PM

QUOTE (HappyBob @ Aug 16 2009, 11:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Any suggestions for capturing youtube videos at best quality for use in videowave productions.



You can't capture YouTube videos with the Roxio software, as far as I know.
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Posted 17 August 2009 - 09:34 AM

QUOTE (grandpabruce @ Aug 16 2009, 10:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You can't capture YouTube videos with the Roxio software, as far as I know.

Alas, this is true, also as far as I know. What I'm looking for is other users who have used third party software (CamStudio, Camtasia, Capturewiz, etc) to capture youtube on screen then import to vw to complete the production. They all work, some better than others. So I'm seeking advice and suggestions from the DVD authoring experts.

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Posted 17 August 2009 - 10:35 AM

Then it is not a Creator 2009 question.
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Posted 17 August 2009 - 10:57 AM

QUOTE (Jim_Hardin @ Aug 17 2009, 11:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Then it is not a Creator 2009 question.

Jim, with respect....
Some third party programs create avi files, some create flv files, some mp4 files. My novice understanding is that not all file formats are the same, even if they have the same extension. What works best with creator 2009, that's the question. Are all avi files the same? Will they all work equally well with Creator 2009. How about flv and mp4?
I'm not looking for an endorsement for a third party, rather, what works best with Creator 2009?
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QUOTE (Jim_Hardin @ Aug 17 2009, 11:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Then it is not a Creator 2009 question.

Jim, please see my post #5 on this topic,
I respectfully suggest that it is a creator 2009 question. Moving the question to general chat pretty much assures that I'll never get a helpful response.
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Posted 17 August 2009 - 08:24 PM

QUOTE (HappyBob @ Aug 17 2009, 01:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Jim, with respect....
Some third party programs create avi files, some create flv files, some mp4 files. My novice understanding is that not all file formats are the same, even if they have the same extension. What works best with creator 2009, that's the question. Are all avi files the same? Will they all work equally well with Creator 2009. How about flv and mp4?
I'm not looking for an endorsement for a third party, rather, what works best with Creator 2009?
Thanks,
Bob





Jim, please see my post #5 on this topic,
I respectfully suggest that it is a creator 2009 question. Moving the question to general chat pretty much assures that I'll never get a helpful response.
Bob


Maybe not, but it will keep it out of the WRONG forum, since it had absolutely nothing to do with the How To/Usability for Creator 2009.  wink.gif
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Posted 18 August 2009 - 12:40 AM

An endorsement: Capture by any mean you want (Jing is free but limited to 5 minute or less per capture) ) and use something like "Any Video Converter" to get it into a format that Creator 2009 will accept.
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Posted 18 August 2009 - 02:25 AM

QUOTE (Jim_Hardin @ Aug 17 2009, 02:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Then it is not a Creator 2009 question.

And since we're in the "General Chat" area, (now, not sure if this was moved here from someplace else) it's completely appropriate!
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Posted 18 August 2009 - 05:45 AM

QUOTE (sknis @ Aug 18 2009, 12:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
An endorsement: Capture by any mean you want (Jing is free but limited to 5 minute or less per capture) ) and use something like "Any Video Converter" to get it into a format that Creator 2009 will accept.

I guess that I was originally hoping that someone might share with me the benefits of their experimentation.

Here's what I've done since my original post. I've captured the video with Replay Media Catcher, that produces a very nice .flv, now I have to convert that .flv to an creator 2009 acceptable input.

As Sknis points out, there are many acceptable video inputs, maybe as many as twenty. Do they all these inputs produce a Creator 2009 Videowave production of equal quality, or are some better than others?

I'll not pretend that I understand the differences between the file formats, nor their relative merits. That's why I'm asking for help.

If I can get a handle on the preferrable input format (for a roxio production) then I can look for file converters. I suppose that I'm assuming that all the file converter applications do the job equally well (that also could be a very bad assumption). Guidance for novice is always appreciated

Thanks for you time and patience to try to understand what help I'm seeking.
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Posted 18 August 2009 - 06:11 AM

If you want to create a DVD, I would suggest converting directly to MPEG 2. However, I wouldn't suggest doing much editing in that format as that could possibly degrade the video quality more.
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Posted 18 August 2009 - 06:13 AM

QUOTE (HappyBob @ Aug 18 2009, 09:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If I can get a handle on the preferrable input format (for a roxio production) then I can look for file converters. I suppose that I'm assuming that all the file converter applications do the job equally well (that also could be a very bad assumption). Guidance for novice is always appreciated

Here is a list of file types supported by Creator 2009.
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Posted 18 August 2009 - 07:00 AM

Let's look at it this way.  Someone took a video (loss 1), converted it to a format that UTube will accept (Loss 2); perhaps UTube compressed it further (Loss 3).  Now you want to download from the internet (Loss 4) and capture it (Loss 5) and the convert it to some format (Loss 6) so you can put it on a on a DVD (Loss 7) using the best DVD blank media available. You probably won't use the best media but you might.  Them you want to play it from a DVD player (Loss 8), through some AV wires (Loss 9) to a TV (Loss 10).  Since you didn't mention it, I assume that you will just be making a STD definition DVD.  Some of the potential quality losses are minor and some may be major but they are all there and more.  Any I forgot?

How good a quality do you expect?  You question is almost a rhetorical one.  AVI-DV is best for Video Editing; mpg2 if you are just going to burn it to a disc.
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Posted 18 August 2009 - 04:05 PM

QUOTE (sknis @ Aug 18 2009, 08:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Let's look at it this way.  Someone took a video (loss 1), converted it to a format that UTube will accept (Loss 2); perhaps UTube compressed it further (Loss 3).  Now you want to download from the internet (Loss 4) and capture it (Loss 5) and the convert it to some format (Loss 6) so you can put it on a on a DVD (Loss 7) using the best DVD blank media available. You probably won't use the best media but you might.  Them you want to play it from a DVD player (Loss 8), through some AV wires (Loss 9) to a TV (Loss 10).  Since you didn't mention it, I assume that you will just be making a STD definition DVD.  Some of the potential quality losses are minor and some may be major but they are all there and more.  Any I forgot?

How good a quality do you expect?  You question is almost a rhetorical one.  AVI-DV is best for Video Editing; mpg2 if you are just going to burn it to a disc.


Steve, you are right on. Some losses are beyond my control, just part of getting the job done. I'm just trying to control those losses that are within my reach.
Now this may sound really novice but: is there any difference between AVI-DV and DV-AVI ? The reason I ask is that the input listed for Creator 2009 include "AVI and DV and DV-AVI" are these all the same thing?

Yes, my question is rhetorical, obviously I am trying to preserve what ever quality may be remaining before it comes to me.  unsure.gif

I do appreciate your guidance. For the novice, trying to figure out what is the best approach becomes bewildering when presented with so many options.

By the way, I have really enjoyed (and appreciated) your tutorials. Great help, thanks
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