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[Rhett]

I have a Sony Handcam which records on a mini DVD.  Before viewing the disc has to be finalized and you end up with a quick and easy DVD.  However, I'm now at the point where I want to edit some video, make some smaller clips, etc.  I've downloaded files from the disc to my hard drive and there are 3 .VOB files and 1 .IFO.

I tried to use the "trim tool" (Roxio Creator 2010) but the software punts during he process.  Since video editing is new to me I'm not even sure if these files can be edited at all.  I don't know enough about this to be irritated but I am a bit frustrated.

Any pointers would be greatly appreciated.  ........ Rhett

[ggrussell]

I tried to use the "trim tool" (Roxio Creator 2010) but the software punts during he process.

Exactly what does that mean? LOL  You shouldn't have any trouble editing the VOBs.

[Rhett]

Exactly what does that mean? LOL  You shouldn't have any trouble editing the VOBs.

The data in the files covers several different events that I shot over time.  There are several shot clips of a highschool band.  There are a few short clips of a college band.  Basicall I want to devide the video into two portions (high school and college bands).  My ultimate goal is to place all the highschool band video I have on a few DVDs.

In regards to "punt", the software stops working and does not split the video file into two portions.

Thanks ..... Rhett

[myguggi]

The data in the files covers several different events that I shot over time.  There are several shot clips of a highschool band.  There are a few short clips of a college band.  Basicall I want to devide the video into two portions (high school and college bands).  My ultimate goal is to place all the highschool band video I have on a few DVDs.

In regards to "punt", the software stops working and does not split the video file into two portions.

Thanks ..... Rhett

Could you describe exactly what you are doing? Are you using Videowave? How are you getting the vob file into Videowave? You need to describe exactly what you are doing and what tool you are using. What does "stops working" mean? Does the program crash, hang or what? Any error message? Those are the kind of details that are helpful and is what Gary was asking for.

[Rhett]

Could you describe exactly what you are doing? Are you using Videowave? How are you getting the vob file into Videowave? You need to describe exactly what you are doing and what tool you are using. What does "stops working" mean? Does the program crash, hang or what? Any error message? Those are the kind of details that are helpful and is what Gary was asking for.

Pardon my ignorance in answering the quesiton and the slow reply.  I had to leave for a Boy Scout meeting and I'm back home now.

  I open Video Wave, select new production with the 4:3 aspect ratio.  I then navigate to the folder where the 3 VOB files of varying size are located.  I click and drag the one of the VOB files to the 1st box on the story line.  I then go to the Production drop menu and select "trim".  I set the start and stop markers. I then hit OK and after that point the software does not respond. In the upper left corner of the screen it specifically says "Roxio Videowave- Production 1 (not reponding).  Essentially the software hangs.  No other messages yet.  I ultimately I just close the program and get the standard Windows message "software is not responding".

Further information:  The files I'm trying to work with came directly off the disk.  There is about 28 minutes of video in total.  There are 3 VOB files of varying size. No matter which one I select, I can see the whole 28 minutes within the Video Wave preview screen.

Lastly I'm using Vista 64 bit with 4 GB of ram.

[ggrussell]

How long do you wait before closing?  Videowave could be processing in the background or creating audio proxy files.

[Rhett]

How long do you wait before closing?  Videowave could be processing in the background or creating audio proxy files.

Gary I haven't timed it yet but I would say 5 mintues or so.  I think one time I let it run possibly twice that long but I can't be sure.  I presumed the software would indicate that is is processing or doing something with some type of visible indicator.  Maybe that is not the case.

I'm also a little perplexed by the 3 VOB files.  In my mind there should be one file or two at most.  One file is around 200 KB, one file is close to 1 Gb and the last is a around 150 Mb.  I'm not sure which one to drag down to the story line.  They are obviously related but I'm not sure why they were split into 3 files.  I've tried the smaller and the larger with no success.  

I may fire it up again tonight and just let it run until morning.  I'm not sure how long the process should take.  Got to go to bed now and camping this weekend with the Scouts.  I'll check back in this weekend for any suggestions the group may have.

Thanks for you interest so far!   ...... Rhett

[myguggi]

Gary I haven't timed it yet but I would say 5 mintues or so.  I think one time I let it run possibly twice that long but I can't be sure.  I presumed the software would indicate that is is processing or doing something with some type of visible indicator.  Maybe that is not the case.

I'm also a little perplexed by the 3 VOB files.  In my mind there should be one file or two at most.  One file is around 200 KB, one file is close to 1 Gb and the last is a around 150 Mb.  I'm not sure which one to drag down to the story line.  They are obviously related but I'm not sure why they were split into 3 files.  I've tried the smaller and the larger with no success.  

I may fire it up again tonight and just let it run until morning.  I'm not sure how long the process should take.  Got to go to bed now and camping this weekend with the Scouts.  I'll check back in this weekend for any suggestions the group may have.

Thanks for you interest so far!   ...... Rhett

Those vob files sizes could be correct - it depends on the number of titles (movies) are on the DVD. The menu would have a vob file, the main movie will have one or more vob file, etc. The vob's have a sequence number so you can tell which make up a movie.
A single movie could have several 1 GB vobs. Examine a commercial DVD sometime and you will see what I am talking about

Could you perhaps list all the files that are contained in that Video_TS folder including the ifo and bup files?

[Rhett]

Could you perhaps list all the files that are contained in that Video_TS folder including the ifo and bup files?

Back from camping and hiking with the Scouts.  Sweated about 5 gals of water.  I apologize for the delayed response.  Below is the list of files in the folder.

Video_TS  (bup)
Video_TS.ifo
Video_TS
VTS_01_0  (bup)
VTS_01_0.ifo
VTS_01_1
VTS_01_2

Unlabled files are VOB files.  Not sure what all these stand for.  The bup files are technically in the folder but do not show up when the folder is selected in Videowave window.  The other 5 files show up.

[myguggi]

Back from camping and hiking with the Scouts.  Sweated about 5 gals of water.  I apologize for the delayed response.  Below is the list of files in the folder.

Video_TS  (bup)
Video_TS.ifo
Video_TS
VTS_01_0  (bup)
VTS_01_0.ifo
VTS_01_1
VTS_01_2

Unlabled files are VOB files.  Not sure what all these stand for.  The bup files are technically in the folder but do not show up when the folder is selected in Videowave window.  The other 5 files show up.

Those are the proper files you should have on a video DVD.

The DVD-Video specifications define how video data are stored in specialized                          files. The .IFO files contain menus and other information                          about the video and audio. The .BUP files are backup copies                          of the .IFO file. The .VOB file are MPEG-2 program streams with additional                          packets containing navigation and search information.                                               Since a .VOB file is just a specialized MPEG-2 file,                          most MPEG-2 decoders and players can play them. You may                          need to change the extension from .VOB to .MPG. However,                          any special features such as angles or branching will                          cause strange effects. The best way to play a .VOB file                          is to use a DVD player application to play the entire                          volume (or to open the VIDEO_TS.IFO file), since this                          will make sure all the DVD-Video features are used properly.                        

[Rhett]

[quote name='myguggi' date='Sep 27 2009, 07:15 PM' post='292566']
Those are the proper files you should have on a video DVD.

Thanks for the quick reply.  I have a quick update followed by a question.  I just tried to "trim" the file in video wave.  I selected the Video_TS to work with.  I selected my start and finish points and started the trim process. In about 15 seconds or so the trim was complete. Yeah!

However, I minimized Videowave for a breif e-mail check and when I returned I had the same problem as before (VideoWave not responding).  I essentially had to force the software to quit thus losing the trim file.  I can trim again later.

First question:  Out of the 5 to 6 files in the folder which one is the most appropriate to select and work with in VideoWave.  Is the Video_TS (VOB) file the correct file to edit and work with?

Second question/thought:  At least Videowave seems to be a little unstable.  I wonder if I need more than my 4 GB of RAM or is it a problem with Vista.

I really appreciate all the help.  .......... Rhett

[ggrussell]

Adding more RAM probably won't help. I've done lots of editing in Videowave and it has never used more then 1.5GB of RAM.

Has been awhile since I've tried editing a DVD.  I think you choose the IFO file and you should get a dialog box asking which chapters to import (if there are chapters).  Videowave will then copy/convert those files as MPEG 2 files to the hard drive to use in the project.

[myguggi]

Thanks for the quick reply.  I have a quick update followed by a question.  I just tried to "trim" the file in video wave.  I selected the Video_TS to work with.  I selected my start and finish points and started the trim process. In about 15 seconds or so the trim was complete. Yeah!

However, I minimized Videowave for a breif e-mail check and when I returned I had the same problem as before (VideoWave not responding).  I essentially had to force the software to quit thus losing the trim file.  I can trim again later.

First question:  Out of the 5 to 6 files in the folder which one is the most appropriate to select and work with in VideoWave.  Is the Video_TS (VOB) file the correct file to edit and work with?

Second question/thought:  At least Videowave seems to be a little unstable.  I wonder if I need more than my 4 GB of RAM or is it a problem with Vista.

I really appreciate all the help.  .......... Rhett

In addition to what Gary said, I would recommend that you copy the Video_TS folder from the DVD to your hard drive and work from that folder. Select the Video_TS.IFO folder, it will give you the option to load all the movies on the DVD. I would also recommend not to interrupt the editing process with other tasks; infact its a good idea to shut down all running tasks.

Edited by myguggi, 27 September 2009 - 08:23 PM.

[Rhett]

Gentlemen,

Thanks a bunch for your input.  I think all of your comments will be really helpful when I attempt this again.  For what it is worth I have been working with the files on my hard drive.  I thought it would be easier for Roxio to handle them there instead of accessing the disk.

I have not tried using the .Ifo file yet.  I thought (incorrectly) that I should use the .VOB files.  This has cerntainly been a learning process for me.  I've used Roxio for a few years but not in this capacity and editing video for me has been the most challenging.

If I have time tonight I'll try again with the .ifo file and will report back promptly to the collective.

Rhett

[sknis]

In Video Wave, go to the top menu, select tools then options and put a dot near software.

Instead of using the trin function, try this. It is from an earlier version but the basic work process is the same.

[Rhett]

Gurus,

I wanted to report the software worked fine tonight.  I selected the IFO files to work with and it trimmed rather easily. I then selected another IFO file for the production, trimmed it, and then joined the two together to make a single video.  Pretty slick!  The software did have another non-reponse episode but I worked around it.  

The final quality was not exactly what I expected but I can tweak that pretty easy.  I was a bit overwhelmed by all the formats available for the export function.  I saved my production so I can go back and work on it some more.  I will also try sknis's suggestion once or twice to see how it compares to the trim function.

I ordered a shotgun mike for my video camera with hopes of improving the sound I record.

Overall I'm very pleased and I really appreciate the help.  Thanks......... Rhett

[myguggi]

Gurus,

I wanted to report the software worked fine tonight.  I selected the IFO files to work with and it trimmed rather easily. I then selected another IFO file for the production, trimmed it, and then joined the two together to make a single video.  Pretty slick!  The software did have another non-reponse episode but I worked around it.  

The final quality was not exactly what I expected but I can tweak that pretty easy.  I was a bit overwhelmed by all the formats available for the export function.  I saved my production so I can go back and work on it some more.  I will also try sknis's suggestion once or twice to see how it compares to the trim function.

I ordered a shotgun mike for my video camera with hopes of improving the sound I record.

Overall I'm very pleased and I really appreciate the help.  Thanks......... Rhett

Glad you have it working Have fun and come back if you have problems.

When exporting a production it is always best to "ouput" to "DV avi" since that gives the least compression and is easiest to work with although it does create much larger files.

Edited by myguggi, 29 September 2009 - 08:48 PM.

[ggrussell]

The final quality was not exactly what I expected

Since you are working with MPEG2 files from a miniDVD, Videowave/MyDVD should smart render if the output is also MPEG 2.  This means that Videowave should only re-encode the parts you edit. The rest should stay the same quality.  Some users have posted they can see a difference in quality where the edits are, but I haven't.  If you find this is the case for you,  then using an intermediate file format will force the app to re-encode everything with consistent quality.

[Rhett]

Since you are working with MPEG2 files from a miniDVD, Videowave/MyDVD should smart render if the output is also MPEG 2.  This means that Videowave should only re-encode the parts you edit. The rest should stay the same quality.  Some users have posted they can see a difference in quality where the edits are, but I haven't.  If you find this is the case for you,  then using an intermediate file format will force the app to re-encode everything with consistent quality.

I selected the output to be the "same as orginal" whatever that is.     At least initially I'm was not to concerned about quality and I just wanted it to work.  I plan to add more parts if you will to the production from different videos I've taken over time.  I can then play with the output to see what works best.

I have two primary goals.

1st would be a set of normal size DVDs containing similar video.  A standard DVD should hold about 4 times the data that one of the mini-DVDs can.

2nd would be to figure out what format would minimize file size to make relatively short clips to upload to the net.  My son would like to place a few clips on his Face Book page of him in the college band. I would also like to send a few shorts clips of the same to family.

At least now I have a good place to start and build on thanks to help from everyone.