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[giorgio]

I had EMC 10 and upgraded to Creator 2010 hopefuly to speed up encoding (about 2 1/2 hours for a 1 1/2 hr movie. My fist burn took over 6 hours to encode and burn ( 1 1/2 movie).
I have all the system requirements or better. I checked off the encode in software option (much faster in EMC10). I did all the software updates to MS Windows XP, DirectX, Nivida gforce drivers and burner firmware. I have over 100 GB free in the drive.
The downlown of creator 2010 was done by tech support from dell while working on a Media center issue. It took forever. I asked him if we should kill the Virus program before and he said no. Could this be the problem? I saved the program exe. on my deck top. If I need to download again, can I use this or do I need to go back to the Roxio site and start all over? I worried that it may be corrupt.

Can anyone help me on the path to finding the problem?
Thanks much.
Giorgio

[myguggi]

I had EMC 10 and upgraded to Creator 2010 hopefuly to speed up encoding (about 2 1/2 hours for a 1 1/2 hr movie. My fist burn took over 6 hours to encode and burn ( 1 1/2 movie).
I have all the system requirements or better. I checked off the encode in software option (much faster in EMC10). I did all the software updates to MS Windows XP, DirectX, Nivida gforce drivers and burner firmware. I have over 100 GB free in the drive.
The downlown of creator 2010 was done by tech support from dell while working on a Media center issue. It took forever. I asked him if we should kill the Virus program before and he said no. Could this be the problem? I saved the program exe. on my deck top. If I need to download again, can I use this or do I need to go back to the Roxio site and start all over? I worried that it may be corrupt.

Can anyone help me on the path to finding the problem?
Thanks much.
Giorgio

So what problem are you talking about? The speed of encoding, the download time from the Roxio site or what?
Encoding is more a function of your CPU then the difference between EMC 10 and C2010. Encoding a 1.5 hour movie in 2.5 hours could be fast or slow depending on your system. On my XP system it takes over 3 hours to encode a 1.5 hour movie. Burning of course is a function of your burner mainly.

Burn the three downloaded files to DVD so that you don't have to download again. You should be shutting dow the antivirus among other things while installing the software. If the download from the Roxio site had been corrupt you would never have been able to install the software.

[Jim_Hardin]

The 5x faster only applies if you have a video card that will do CUDA or Stream. It does work too…

List your PC specs like Walt & I have in our signatures. And tell us more about the details of the source files and the type of output you are making (quality).

I can see right off the bat that packing 1 1/2 hours onto a DVD that holds 1 hour is going to mean everything has to be re-rendered so it will fit.

But you can see from this list, that render time can vary wildly:



None of my PC's support CUDA or Stream...

[giorgio]

Thanks for your reply Walt and Jim.
The problem is the encoding time. Reading Roxio’s instructions (after the fact) worried me.  
1. Turn off your anti-virus software during install …. could block installation of key components
2. Be sure to turn off any other background processes that may interfere with installation. In addition to anti-virus software mentioned above, streaming video, copying files, or running other applications can hinder a successful install :

That's got me thinking I may have to order the software disc and reinstall it.

I use XP media center to download old movies from satellite TV so they are unprotected and can be copied. I save them to my 750 Gb drive. Some I play back, some I use Creator to edit and burn to a DVD for my collection. Most movies are about 1 ½ hrs after I trim them down to just the movie. I use the “Fit to disc” option so I guess that’s about 4.5 gb used on the disc. I believe the recorded files are DVR-MS and get converted to MPEG. As I said, With EMC 10 the average encode time was about 2 hours or so and the burn was pretty quick. Watching the encoding process in the little screen it looked like the speed was almost in real time. Now with Creator 2010 it’s in extreme slow motion. I burned a black and white movie last night and it took about 6-7 hours. I had a problem like this in EMC 10 and found that selecting “Software” rendering was the solution. Not so with Creator 2010. It doesn’t seem to matter.
I should add that I’ve been having problems with Media Center not being able to start. 3 times with Dell tech support to fix it and the problem is back again. I’m not looking forward to another 4 hours on the phone today.
   I’m adding my PC specs to my signature. All I could find so as not to miss anything needed.
Thanks so much for your help.
Giorgio

[sknis]

Your graphics card does not support the CUDA fast encoding.  There are the one that do.

[Jim_Hardin]

Will Video Copy and Convert do that type of file? Might be able to batch convert them while you sleep?

[giorgio]

Your graphics card does not support the CUDA fast encoding.  There are the one that do.

Thanks Steve.
Looks like the CUDA cards start around $500. Out of my range right now. I still wondering why the encoding time has more the doubled since I upgraded from EMC 10 to Creator 2010?. I use it the same on the same type of files.
Thanks for you imput.
G

Will Video Copy and Convert do that type of file? Might be able to batch convert them while you sleep?

Thanks Jim.
Yes I think it will but won't it use the same process at the same convertion speed as encoding? If that's the case it would still take about 6-7 hours per file and that's where I am now. I start a movie burn before I go to bed and it's just about done when I get up.
I just can't figure out why the encoding time has more then doubled since the upgrade from EMC 10 to Creator 2010. One would think the upgrade would produce better proformance. What am I missing here?
Thanks much for your help.
g

[Jim_Hardin]

There is something else afoot here…

Do you have Hardware or Software Render selected? – which ever one it is change it to the other as a test!

Make a test file of 10 minutes length and time it with both.

The VCC concept is this. Use it to convert the files you capture into compliant mpeg files. You can set VCC up with a bunch of them, it will convert without any user action required. You can even set a time for when it should start the batch.

Then use the DVD compliant mpeg files for edit and burning. They should Smart Render in MyDVD.

Did we mention HDD defragged and plenty of free space?

[giorgio]

There is something else afoot here…

Do you have Hardware or Software Render selected? – which ever one it is change it to the other as a test!

Make a test file of 10 minutes length and time it with both.

The VCC concept is this. Use it to convert the files you capture into compliant mpeg files. You can set VCC up with a bunch of them, it will convert without any user action required. You can even set a time for when it should start the batch.

Then use the DVD compliant mpeg files for edit and burning. They should Smart Render in MyDVD.

Did we mention HDD defragged and plenty of free space?

Jim, that was the first thing I did after downloading the program. I changed it from the defalt "hardware" to "Software" even though the test recomended "Hardware". This solved my 7 hour encoding problem when I was using EMC10 and cut it to 2-2 1/2 hrs. I have tried the software and hardware mode in Creator 2010 with no change.
I have defraged both drives and have over 100gb free in the primary drive and over 400gb in the drive I use to store completed files. I updated everything I could find (see first post).
I'll try the VSS and hope it makes it workable.
"Smart render" is checked off now in the options menue. Is that the right setting if the files are not MPEGs?
Thanks again.
g

[ggrussell]

C2010 should be able to 'smart render' DV AVI, MPEG 2 and AVC formats.

[giorgio]

C2010 should be able to 'smart render' DV AVI, MPEG 2 and AVC formats.

The movies I record from my TV are saved as DVR-MS files. should I try unchecking the "smart render" option?
Thanks.
g

[Jim_Hardin]

The movies I record from my TV are saved as DVR-MS files. should I try unchecking the "smart render" option?
Thanks.
g

I have never seen a “Smart Render” option… Where is it?

Do a short file for testing – 5 minutes is good figure.

Time it now.

Change to Rendering from Software to Hardware or the other way if that is what is set now. Render and time the test file again.

What do you get?

How big is a 5 minute test file? ~ I'm wondering if you could put it on UpforDownload...

[ggrussell]

The movies I record from my TV are saved as DVR-MS files. should I try unchecking the "smart render" option?

When you add a dvr-ms file to Videowave or MyDVD, you should get a dialog box saying the file needs to be converted to an editable format and where to save the converted file.  The dvr-ms gets converted to MPEG2 which is then smart rendered.  This has been my experience.

[giorgio]

I have never seen a “Smart Render” option… Where is it?

Do a short file for testing – 5 minutes is good figure.

Time it now.

Change to Rendering from Software to Hardware or the other way if that is what is set now. Render and time the test file again.

What do you get?

How big is a 5 minute test file? ~ I'm wondering if you could put it on UpforDownload...

Sorry Jim. Make that AVC smart encode, on the tools drop down. It is checked now. I was wondering if I uncheck it?
I'll do the software/hardware test again.
Thanks
g

[giorgio]

Your graphics card does not support the CUDA fast encoding.  There are the one that do.

Hi all.
I need some help in upgrading my PC. I use creator 2010 pro to record old movies off satellite TV. Some I save and play back, some I encode from the DVR-MS format, edit and burn them to a DVD disc. My problem is the encoding time. It can take as long as 7-9 hours for a 1 ½ hour movie. I was told that if I had a “CUDA” capable video card it could speed it up as much as 5X faster.
Having just gone through some bad issues with my PC I have ordered Window 7 operating system. I also so intend to upgrade my Ram memory to a PC2-5300 667Mhz DDR2 by Quantum Tech with 8GB 4X2GB. (going broke here   ).  Could anyone suggest a particular video card that would work well with this configuration? And how much better/ fasted could I expect the encoding to be?
Thanks for your help

[sknis]

Hi all.
I need some help in upgrading my PC. I use creator 2010 pro to record old movies off satellite TV. Some I save and play back, some I encode from the DVR-MS format, edit and burn them to a DVD disc. My problem is the encoding time. It can take as long as 7-9 hours for a 1 ½ hour movie. I was told that if I had a “CUDA” capable video card it could speed it up as much as 5X faster.
Having just gone through some bad issues with my PC I have ordered Window 7 operating system. I also so intend to upgrade my Ram memory to a PC2-5300 667Mhz DDR2 by Quantum Tech with 8GB 4X2GB. (going broke here   ).  Could anyone suggest a particular video card that would work well with this configuration? And how much better/ fasted could I expect the encoding to be?
Thanks for your help

Depends on what you want to spend.  I'm partial to ATI cards.  These are Stream (equivalent to CUDA) capable.  Look at newegg for reasonable prices.  Be prepared to spend about $200 or more.

These are the cuda enabled nVidia cards.  Some people have had issues with the 9000 series or the drivers released.  I don't know where you got the idea that NVidia cards with CUDA are all over $500

2g of memory is not enough but 8 G is a bit of overkill.  I have run with 4 and 6 and while better, the card is going to be the biggest value.

Edited by sknis, 01 December 2009 - 11:24 AM.

[giorgio]

Depends on what you want to spend.  I'm partial to ATI cards.  These are Stream (equivalent to CUDA) capable.  Look at newegg for reasonable prices.  Be prepared to spend about $200 or more.

These are the cuda enabled nVidia cards.  Some people have had issues with the 9000 series or the drivers released.  I don't know where you got the idea that NVidia cards with CUDA are all over $500

2g of memory is not enough but 8 G is a bit of overkill.  I have run with 4 and 6 and while better, the card is going to be the biggest value.

Thanks for your help. The 8 G Ram was on Ebay for $190. So far, it's cheaper then 4G ones I found. As far as the Vidio card I'm going to have to learn more about this. I don't even know where to start, what will fit, what to buy.   First I'll have to figure out system requierments, etc. Maybe then I can ask the right questions.
Thanks.

[sknis]

Ask Dell what will fit -- but don't buy from them unless they give you a great price.

[cdanteek]

Hi all.
I need some help in upgrading my PC. I use creator 2010 pro to record old movies off satellite TV. Some I save and play back, some I encode from the DVR-MS format, edit and burn them to a DVD disc. My problem is the encoding time. It can take as long as 7-9 hours for a 1 ½ hour movie. I was told that if I had a “CUDA” capable video card it could speed it up as much as 5X faster.
Having just gone through some bad issues with my PC I have ordered Window 7 operating system. I also so intend to upgrade my Ram memory to a PC2-5300 667Mhz DDR2 by Quantum Tech with 8GB 4X2GB. (going broke here   ).  Could anyone suggest a particular video card that would work well with this configuration? And how much better/ fasted could I expect the encoding to be?
Thanks for your help

Who told you that??

What formats could you see a 5X faster encoding time in?

cd

[giorgio]

Ask Dell what will fit -- but don't buy from them unless they give you a great price.

I don't know what formats they were refering to but it was in the boiler plate that advertized Creator 2010 pro. The formats I encode are DVR-Ms. Recorded TV from my sat Tv. they must be incoded to a format that can be edited. I think that's Mpeg

Ask Dell what will fit -- but don't buy from them unless they give you a great price.

I don't know what formats they were refering to but it was in the boiler plate that advertized Creator 2010 pro. The formats I encode are DVR-Ms. Recorded TV from my sat Tv. they must be incoded to a format that can be edited. I think that's Mpeg