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#1 BruceLV

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Posted 09 March 2011 - 06:38 PM

I now own the new JVC 3D video camera.  Roxio IS compatible with this camera.  What works the best, since Creator doesn't have options for sharpness and other FX's, I save my timeline to MP4 (1920x1080) and then open Sony Vegas Pro, if needed, to adjust the image.

Seems, from the Roxio timeline and exporting to YouTube, my video is stretched wide (1980x835).  It looks all distorted.  So, what I do is exit Roxio and sign-on using Internet Explorer.  Uploading that way works great.  Video is correctly displayed.

There are two different video formats within the JVC 3D video camera.  One (AVCHD)is capable of editing in Roxio, but this format, as of yet, is NOT compatible with Sony Vegas (3D that is...2D yes it is).  The other format (MP4)has a much higher MBPS and is ONLY capable of staying ON the camera's flash memory.  Connecting with the included cable to a 3D capable TV comes out amazingly clear, crisp and colorful.

Those wishing to use a 3D camera and Sony's, soon to be released 3D video camera will be able to edit within Sony Vegas Pro 10 right off the bat.  JVC is working on a fix for Sony Vegas Pro 10 and the AVCHD will be capable of editing on the timeline and render out without a problem.

My 2¢

Edited by BruceLV, 12 March 2011 - 11:52 AM.


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Posted 10 March 2011 - 03:09 AM

Post some 5 second samples of each so that we can download and test...
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Posted 11 March 2011 - 05:54 PM

Jim, here ya go.....



As I posted above your post, there are two formats within this new JVC GS-TD1B 3D video camera.  the MP4 is meant to reside IN the camera, connect with an included HDMI cable to a 3D TV.  The results are the most optimum in quality/resolution.

The other format is AVCHD and that's meant to upload/transfer via SD card to a computer for editing and render to another format.  The included software is basic.

HINT to Roxio:  It would be nice for an update to Creator 2011 for Video Wave.  Don't wait to include in the next version (Creator 2012) or you'll lose users to other editing software.  FX's such as sharpen, custom formats and custom masks.

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Posted 12 March 2011 - 05:29 AM

I was refering to a 5/10 second VIDEO FILE we can download...
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Posted 12 March 2011 - 06:40 AM

you said " HINT to Roxio: It would be nice for an update to Creator 2011 for Video Wave. Don't wait to include in the next version (Creator 2012) or you'll lose users to other editing software. FX's such as sharpen, custom formats and custom masks."

Video Wave does have a circular (?) sharpen that is adjustable with key frames adjustments
You can make custom masks (overlays) with transparent files made with PhotoSuite.  Read/watch this
What do you mean by custom formats?

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Posted 12 March 2011 - 08:57 AM

The file to upload is too big for Roxio to handle.  Requesting an FTP to upload to.

Edited by BruceLV, 12 March 2011 - 09:26 AM.


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Posted 12 March 2011 - 03:35 PM

You can use any file sharing site like YouSendIt , megashare, or dropbox. Once you upload to one of those sites, post the link here.

Roxio Creator has always been an easy to use editor aimed more at beginners.  You would need other software for advanced editing and authoring.

Not sure what you mean by the two different formats. That camcorder has 64GB of internal memory.  From what I read at JVC website, the SD is just for extra storage.   According to the JVC site, here are the settings:  AVCHD (UXP/XP/SP/EP).  I don't see any other formats.

Edited by ggrussell, 12 March 2011 - 03:46 PM.

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Posted 13 March 2011 - 02:31 PM

Jim,

Thanks for your recommendations for file sharing.  

Here's the link to download my clip.

http://www.4shared.c...fBxP/00012.html

Edited by BruceLV, 13 March 2011 - 02:51 PM.


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Posted 13 March 2011 - 07:50 PM

According to MEdia Info, that file is AVCHD 1920x1080@16.1Mbps 29.97fps AC3 stereo audio.  The 3D is achieved using left/right side by side (960x1080).   Which setting did you use on the camcorder: (UXP/XP/SP/EP)?

I read the basic user manual online and there is very little explanation on the MP4 MVC format.  If you can transfer those files to the computer, why not try importing those into Videowave and see what happens.
Found this online:

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How does one do MVC with single stream?

... by implementing the latest version of ISO 14496-15 (File Formatspec for AVC) from 2010, which defines how to store MVC into a (single)MP4 track. To a non MVC-aware parser/decoder it appears like a normal2D AVC stream. It's the beauty of MVC vs. the frame-sequential 3Dapproach, where special treatment is needed to achieve 2D backwardcompatibility.
So this is very similar to what Fuji is doing with the W3 which has two full 720p streams in one file. Even found a sample file from Japan.
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I tried the JVC MP4 MVC file and Videowave imports it. However, the MVC isn't supported, but the Fuji and RealD settings come real close.  Perhaps Roxio will support this format in a future patch or release.

Edited by ggrussell, 13 March 2011 - 08:48 PM.

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Posted 14 March 2011 - 09:26 AM

GG & everyone else,

Good to know you're curious GG.

As for AVCHD settings: UXP/XP/SP/EP....UXP has the highest Mbps, then the rest have less Mbps.  Of course, less resolution.  I always keep mine at the highest resolution (UXP).

As for the two side-by-side images: AVCHD 3D is actually 960x1080.  To achieve actual image in Roxio's Video Wave, make sure you click the 3D radio button and then "half-width L/R."

On the explanation of the MP4 MVC format: YES, you CAN transfer this format/clip to computer, but you won't be able to see 3D, no matter what program you attempt to work with.  MP4 MVC is ONLY meant to view from the camcorder OR from the camcorder to an EXTERNAL (no, not even a Blu ray within a computer) Blu ray burner.  The viewing directly to a cabled (HDMI) 3D ready TV interprets this format for optimal viewing.  Here's an image from my JVC's owner's manual, page 15..... "Videos recorded in MP4 (MVC) are saved in full high definition and ONLY BE PLAYED BACK ON THIS UNIT."

For those interested that "attachment" is the text from the owner's manual which I scanned for anyone who might be more influenced by the actual text material in the manual.

Also, I ran upon a website in which the blog stated that JVC would be handing over the codec to Sony for their update to Sony's Vegas Pro 10.

I hope this helps anyone interested in moving to 3D.

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Posted 14 March 2011 - 05:41 PM

View PostBruceLV, on 14 March 2011 - 09:26 AM, said:

On the explanation of the MP4 MVC format: YES, you CAN transfer this format/clip to computer, but you won't be able to see 3D, no matter what program you attempt to work with.  
Only because the file format isn't supported at this time.  The format could be in the future.  I actually tried the sample MVC with Videowave.  The Fuji and RealD settings are very close to working so it may not take much on Roxio's part to get the file format to work correctly.  JVC's manual makes the format sound exotic and mysterious, but it's not really. It's just another file format. If a software developer can implement ISO 14496-15 (File Formatspec for AVC), they could convert and burn MVC to other formats.

It appears that the MVC does not use the half-width LR format, but is actually two full 1920x1080 streams in one MP4 file.  That is exactly what Fuji does with the W3 camera except the streams are 1280x720p.

By the way,  Windows Media Player had zero problems playing the MVC file!  Granted it only played one stream so it was 2D, but it played flawlessly.

Oh yeah, your JVC also records still images in the MPO format which is also supported in Videowave and the 3D Photo app.

Edited by ggrussell, 14 March 2011 - 05:47 PM.

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