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[bobbyp28]

I love EMC 7.5 - especially the feature when I would have a great big iso file [larger than 4.7 gigs] specifically, a dvd movie rip/conversion to the iso file...

Disc Copier ver 7.5 has a feature that allows you to "compress" the ISO file so it will burn to a 4.7 gig DVD-R...(IE it lets you copy "single movie" vs all movies on the iso file....as well as audio tweaks)

Correct me if I am wrong, but the newer Windows 7 compatible versions of Roxio Products DON'T allow for this..and I now have Windows 7 computers and am desperately looking for a solution for burning these large iso files onto a 4.7gig DVD....

Or is there another software I could obtain (I'd be glad to pay for one...or get it free)...

this is a huge problem for me...not being able to fit these 6 and 7 gig ISO files onto a DVD-R....Disc Creator did this perfectly!!!

ANYBODY THAT CAN POINT ME IN THE CORRECT DIRECTION WILL HAVE MY UNDYING APPRECIATION FOR YOUR EFFORTS...

Thanks,

Rob

[gi7omy]

For a start EMC 7.x will NOT work in Windows 7 - you need at least Creator 2010

No program that I can recall would shrink a .iso file - what you had to do was to make a .iso from a source file and tell that to 'fit to disc' - that did the compression needed

[Lord.Sabbath]

I use Windows 7 Ultimate x86.
I use EMC 7.5.
Disc Copier 7.5 works great, without any problem.
I do not use DVD Builder (that piece of EMC 7.5 doesn't work on win 7) neither Backup feature (doesn't work too).
I love version 7.5. Despite that features above, everything works very fine for me.
Microsoft updates has improve the compatibilities for legacy softwares, so, for exemple, PX Engine is no longer needed.

Edited by Lord.Sabbath, 13 June 2011 - 12:25 PM.

[sknis]

bobbyp28, on 13 June 2011 - 08:51 AM, said:

I love EMC 7.5 - especially the feature when I would have a great big iso file [larger than 4.7 gigs] specifically, a dvd movie rip/conversion to the iso file...

Disc Copier ver 7.5 has a feature that allows you to "compress" the ISO file so it will burn to a 4.7 gig DVD-R...(IE it lets you copy "single movie" vs all movies on the iso file....as well as audio tweaks)

Correct me if I am wrong, but the newer Windows 7 compatible versions of Roxio Products DON'T allow for this..and I now have Windows 7 computers and am desperately looking for a solution for burning these large iso files onto a 4.7gig DVD....

Or is there another software I could obtain (I'd be glad to pay for one...or get it free)...

this is a huge problem for me...not being able to fit these 6 and 7 gig ISO files onto a DVD-R....Disc Creator did this perfectly!!!

ANYBODY THAT CAN POINT ME IN THE CORRECT DIRECTION WILL HAVE MY UNDYING APPRECIATION FOR YOUR EFFORTS...

Thanks,

Rob

Please don't talk size if you are talking about video discs; talk time.  Up to one hour at best quality on a single layer disc; up to 2 hours at much reduced quality.

With Creator 2010 and 2011, you can use Video Copy and Convert to fit a DL DVD or ISO file onto a single layer DVD at the best possible quality that will fit. You'll have to try it to see if it will work for you.

Have you also considered DL (double layer or dual layer) discs?

Edited by sknis, 13 June 2011 - 01:21 PM.

[gi7omy]

EMC 7.x MAY work for a while in W7  but there is an excellent chance that it WILL fail It is NOT designed for that OS (in fact it's quite a few years older than it). It had problems with Internet Explorer 7 and Media Player 10 - and you think it won't have problems with the versions on Windows 7?

Even the fairly recent Creator 2009 (version 11 in the old numbering system) won't work

[Lord.Sabbath]

gi7omy, on 13 June 2011 - 04:19 PM, said:

EMC 7.x MAY work for a while in W7  but there is an excellent chance that it WILL fail It is NOT designed for that OS (in fact it's quite a few years older than it). It had problems with Internet Explorer 7 and Media Player 10 - and you think it won't have problems with the versions on Windows 7?

Even the fairly recent Creator 2009 (version 11 in the old numbering system) won't work

All audio features, Creator Classic, Disc Copier, Disc Image Loader (!!!!), Label Creator and PhotoSuite work very well, I have no problems. I burn many CDs and DVDs every week and the result is always impeccable.
In fact, some features doesn't work - DVD Builder, Backup feature, for exemple. But I don't need these features. All the other features are working like a charm and I'm happy, very happy with version 7.5. Audio transitions built in Creator Classic 7.5 is insurmountable. For my purposes [audio / media copy / photo / virtual hard drive (partition)], EMC 7.5 is still the very best of.

Edited by Lord.Sabbath, 13 June 2011 - 05:43 PM.

[bobbyp28]

Lord.Sabbath, on 13 June 2011 - 05:38 PM, said:

All audio features, Creator Classic, Disc Copier, Disc Image Loader (!!!!), Label Creator and PhotoSuite work very well, I have no problems. I burn many CDs and DVDs every week and the result is always impeccable.
In fact, some features doesn't work - DVD Builder, Backup feature, for exemple. But I don't need these features. All the other features are working like a charm and I'm happy, very happy with version 7.5. Audio transitions built in Creator Classic 7.5 is insurmountable. For my purposes [audio / media copy / photo / virtual hard drive (partition)], EMC 7.5 is still the very best of.

LORD.SABBATH....Prey tell...how does one go about getting this Windows X86 version you mentioned in your first post....that sound encouraging...I do not want to use any other version of EMC....NOR DO I WANT TO CONSIDER ANY OTHER DVD DISKS OTHER THAN THE 4.7Gig DVD-R...so how do you get this X86 version you refer to...thanks a million....

(again, I have lots of 5, 6 and 7 Gig ISO movies on my hard drive that I was using disc copier to burn onto playable DVD-R's using ver. 7.5...I don't want to loose the ability to burn these large ISO files to regular DVD disks...

thanks,

rob

[bobbyp28]

sknis, on 13 June 2011 - 01:20 PM, said:

Please don't talk size if you are talking about video discs; talk time.  Up to one hour at best quality on a single layer disc; up to 2 hours at much reduced quality.

With Creator 2010 and 2011, you can use Video Copy and Convert to fit a DL DVD or ISO file onto a single layer DVD at the best possible quality that will fit. You'll have to try it to see if it will work for you.

Have you also considered DL (double layer or dual layer) discs?

I don't care about time...I have size problems...not time problems....so I dont need to talk about time as you suggest...thanks anyway.

[bobbyp28]

gi7omy, on 13 June 2011 - 08:57 AM, said:

For a start EMC 7.x will NOT work in Windows 7 - you need at least Creator 2010

No program that I can recall would shrink a .iso file - what you had to do was to make a .iso from a source file and tell that to 'fit to disc' - that did the compression needed

Roxio EMC ver 7.5 will compress a very large (5, 6 or 7 gig file) ISO "movie" file and fit it onto a 4.7 gig DVD R disk using Disk Copier....I've done it thousands of times on my XP machine...it becomes a playable DVD disk that will play the movie in any set top or laptop DVD player...obviously it involves some compression...but for most movies you can't tell that anything has been compressed..There must be some software out there that will do this too...but I haven't found it yet...Subsequent versions of EMC dropped this feature to compress and burn....unfortunately...

and no I don't want to use DL disks...thanks.

[Brendon]

Rob, it seems you need to stay talking to Lord.Sabbath and get him to tell you how to run EMC 7.5 in Windows 7 Ultimate. We can't tell you, as none of us has done that up to this point in time, and I'm very interested to see how he has done it.

EMC 7.5 is officially "Not Compatible" with Windows 7, so any part of it which you can get to work is a bonus.
The x86 version of Windows is the 32-bit one.

Good fortune,
Brendon

[sknis]

bobbyp28, on 13 June 2011 - 06:57 PM, said:

I don't care about time...I have size problems...not time problems....so I dont need to talk about time as you suggest...thanks anyway.

No, you keep talking about size of a video ISO file but if you want to go chasing rainbows, good luck.

[myguggi]

bobbyp28, on 13 June 2011 - 07:04 PM, said:

Roxio EMC ver 7.5 will compress a very large (5, 6 or 7 gig file) ISO "movie" file and fit it onto a 4.7 gig DVD R disk using Disk Copier....I've done it thousands of times on my XP machine...it becomes a playable DVD disk that will play the movie in any set top or laptop DVD player...obviously it involves some compression...but for most movies you can't tell that anything has been compressed..There must be some software out there that will do this too...but I haven't found it yet...Subsequent versions of EMC dropped this feature to compress and burn....unfortunately...

and no I don't want to use DL disks...thanks.

So how did you create those 1000's of iso movie files?

All of the susequent version of Roxio can convert and burn just like EMC 7/7.5

[bobbyp28]

myguggi, on 14 June 2011 - 04:18 AM, said:

So how did you create those 1000's of iso movie files?

All of the susequent version of Roxio can convert and burn just like EMC 7/7.5

Begging your pardon BUT MOST OF YOU GUYS ARE MISSING MY POINT WHICH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE "TIME" ISSUE OF A VIDEO...RATHER THE "SIZE" ISSUE OF THE ISO FILE IN TERMS OF GIGS...

I purchased and installed EMC ver 10 se - veral months ago....Installed it...Opened it up...and asked it to burn a 7 gig ISO file that I had ripped from one of my DVD movies, BUT instead of burning it..... it gave me an error message saying NO it would not burn it because it was too large for the 4.7gig DVD-R disk I wanted to use...(In other words it was telling me that as the file was LARGER than 4.7 gigs, it couldn't burn it - and I am not willing to go the DL route...there was no need to with past versions of EMC)

You see, version 7.5 would have absolutely allowed me to burn it...by compressing it as part of the burning process and I was very happy with this feature because as I was sitting there watching the movie on my TV in the living room I could NOT see any measurable quality degradation as a result of the compression..obviously there was some compression ... but I never saw it....

So I will say again....this is a serious elimination of a critical feature for me...and the only solution I have found so far is that I must use an XP machine...my LATEST VERSIONS WILL STOP THE BURN PROCESS BEFORE IT CAN START IF IT SEES THAT THE ISO FILE IS LARGER THAN 4.7 GIGS SO YOU ARE SCREWED...

WHAT AM I MISSING HERE????

THANKS TO ALL...

[malatekid]

bobbyp28, on 14 June 2011 - 09:29 AM, said:

I purchased and installed EMC ver 10 se - veral months ago....Installed it...Opened it up...and asked it to burn a 7 gig ISO file that I had ripped from one of my DVD movies, BUT instead of burning it..... it gave me an error message saying

Is that a commercial DVD that you ripped?

Edited by malatekid, 14 June 2011 - 10:31 AM.

[gi7omy]

What YOU are missing is it's illegal in almost the whole world to rip a DVD. You may think you 'own' it but all you own is the plastic and a license to watch the movie in your own home.

You are not permitted to copy it or show it publicly.

Now whether or not thet is a good law is debatable - but this is not the place to debate it

[Brendon]

bobbyp28, on 14 June 2011 - 09:29 AM, said:

LATEST VERSIONS WILL STOP THE BURN PROCESS BEFORE IT CAN START IF IT SEES THAT THE ISO FILE IS LARGER THAN 4.7 GIGS SO YOU ARE SCREWED...

WHAT AM I MISSING HERE????

Rob,

Disc Copier was changed significantly after EMC 9. From EMC 10 onwards it will no longer shrink your larger home movie DVD ISO files down to fit on a single-layer DVD.

As I mentioned earlier, Lord.Sabbath says he has got EMC 7.5 mostly working under Windows 7 Ultimate. You need to speak with him about how to do that if you want to keep using your EMC 7.5.

If he cannot get your EMC 7.5 working for you, then once you've determined that it won't work, you need to move the discussion off the Roxio forums and go to non-Roxio software.

Regards,
Brendon


Edit: I've had some help, and the modern Video Copy and Convert will shrink your home movies in DL ISOs down to single-layer, as Steve Knis said in post #4. See a few messages down for how to do it.

Edited by Brendon, 15 June 2011 - 04:05 AM.

[myguggi]

bobbyp28, on 14 June 2011 - 09:29 AM, said:

Begging your pardon BUT MOST OF YOU GUYS ARE MISSING MY POINT WHICH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE "TIME" ISSUE OF A VIDEO...RATHER THE "SIZE" ISSUE OF THE ISO FILE IN TERMS OF GIGS...

I purchased and installed EMC ver 10 se - veral months ago....Installed it...Opened it up...and asked it to burn a 7 gig ISO file that I had ripped from one of my DVD movies, BUT instead of burning it..... it gave me an error message saying NO it would not burn it because it was too large for the 4.7gig DVD-R disk I wanted to use...(In other words it was telling me that as the file was LARGER than 4.7 gigs, it couldn't burn it - and I am not willing to go the DL route...there was no need to with past versions of EMC)

You see, version 7.5 would have absolutely allowed me to burn it...by compressing it as part of the burning process and I was very happy with this feature because as I was sitting there watching the movie on my TV in the living room I could NOT see any measurable quality degradation as a result of the compression..obviously there was some compression ... but I never saw it....

So I will say again....this is a serious elimination of a critical feature for me...and the only solution I have found so far is that I must use an XP machine...my LATEST VERSIONS WILL STOP THE BURN PROCESS BEFORE IT CAN START IF IT SEES THAT THE ISO FILE IS LARGER THAN 4.7 GIGS SO YOU ARE SCREWED...

WHAT AM I MISSING HERE????

THANKS TO ALL...

What you are missing is .. you have a big problem answering questions. You just keep repeating yourself over and over again.

Again, as I stated above, I just took a 6.2GB iso file and used C2011 to convert/burn it to a 4.7GB DVD. It plays just fine.
So there has been no "serious elimination of a critical feature" it has just been renamed.

Edited by myguggi, 14 June 2011 - 02:05 PM.

[sknis]

bobbyp28, on 14 June 2011 - 09:29 AM, said:

I purchased and installed EMC ver 10 se - veral months ago....Installed it...Opened it up...and asked it to burn a 7 gig ISO file that I had ripped from one of my DVD movies, BUT instead of burning it..... it gave me an error message saying NO it would not burn it because it was too large for the 4.7gig DVD-R disk I wanted to use...(In other words it was telling me that as the file was LARGER than 4.7 gigs, it couldn't burn it - and I am not willing to go the DL route...there was no need to with past versions of EMC)

THANKS TO ALL...

Where did you get that old version?  It is 3-4 behind what is currecnt (depending on how you count).  It was not compatible with W7 but that discussion was already held.

[Lord.Sabbath]

bobbyp28, see attached file.
For my purposes, I like to use EMC 7.5.
That feature you mentioned (Iso compress) works fine too.
I have the original EMC 7.5 (version 7.0 plus 7.5 update). When installation indicates that Windows Media Player version is not compatible, you just need to click on something like "cancel" (sorry for my bad english...), because installation continues itself the setup process. (Un)Fortunately, you need to sacrifice few features only, like DVD Builder and Backup resource - I don't need these features. Everything else works like a charm, you can believe me.

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Edited by Lord.Sabbath, 14 June 2011 - 06:47 PM.

[Brendon]

Hello,

I've had some help from Jess [Malate Kid] who pointed out how you can use the modern Video Copy & Convert [VCC] to compress your large video ISO so it can be burned to a single-layer disc. The method isn't so easy to find, but once Jess showed me it was very simple to do. Thanks very much Jess.

[1] Run 'Copy and Convert Video' [VCC] in one of the more recent Creator suites - I did it in Creator 2011.
[2] Select 'Copy DVD' and then 'Browse for Disc Image' to pick your oversized ISO file. It should show 'entire disc content' in the From: side.
[3] Set the To: side to 'Disc Image', and Disc Size to DVD-R/DVD+R
[4] Click the green arrow, select the destination for the new small ISO, and click 'Save'. You'll get a message 'Compressing DVD . . ." and when that finishes you'll have a new small ISO. The quality was remarkably good despite the compression, and the original menu was preserved.

You can burn from the big ISO straight to a DVD this way, if you set Disc Size to Single-Layer. However I prefer NOT to be burning while compressing/converting, so I make the small ISO and burn to disc from that.

It is quite simple to use a current version of Creator if you can't get 7.5 working properly, but I'd still like to hear how you go with 7.5 in Windows 7 please.

Regards,
Brendon