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Hi all

 

I've recently changed from a MiniDV camcorder to a HDD one (Sony HDR-XR160).

 

Of course, I used to Capture video using the Roxio Software but now I simply import the video from the camcorder to the PC. The utility that came with the camera to do this is PMB and this imported the files as MPGs (I'm using Standard Def at the moment). The files play smoothly in PMB and smoothly in Windows Media Player but when I add them to Videowave they judder when panning. I've had this problem in burned DVDs before so I made sure I had the Rendering set to Software but to no avail.

 

I also test burned the files using MyDVD to see if the juddering came out on the final copy - and it did.

 

My video card driver is up to date.

 

Can anyone help?

 

Mark

 

Dell XPS XPS_420

Windows Vista Home Premium Service Pack 2

Intel Core 2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40 Ghz 2.39 Ghz

2 GB of RAM

32 bit operating system

nVidia GeForce 8800

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Your bottleneck is probably the RAM - 2 GB is the absolute MINIMUM that you can use for graphics and it needs all of it, so if you have any apps running in the background, you may have to shut them down.

 

Also, fragmentation of the hard drive is a possibility, along with a fragmented swapfile. The computer is going to have to hunt round the drive for files and this will produice chopiness.

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Your bottleneck is probably the RAM - 2 GB is the absolute MINIMUM that you can use for graphics and it needs all of it, so if you have any apps running in the background, you may have to shut them down.

 

Also, fragmentation of the hard drive is a possibility, along with a fragmented swapfile. The computer is going to have to hunt round the drive for files and this will produice chopiness.

 

Thanks - would this explain why they play fine in Media Player?

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Playback is a lot less stressful on CPU and RAM than rendering. When you watch a movie you aren't actually doing anything to it - when you convert it to VOB (DVD playback format) it takes a lot of processing

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Thanks but does this explain why I don't get the same problem with my captured AVI files from my miniDV camcorder? Sorry to ask so many questions!

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Thanks but does this explain why I don't get the same problem with my captured AVI files from my miniDV camcorder? Sorry to ask so many questions!

 

Since that is a hard disc camera, all you have to do is plug it into a USB port, your computer will see it as an external device and you can just copy the files to your computer. No capture, no conversion, etc.

 

Was your miniDV camera high definition? Are you now "filming" high definition. Your new camera may still be recoridng in a higher quality than the old camera. (bit rate).

 

Have you updated the video drivers for that Dell from Dell? I see that there are about 21 different drivers so you'll have to find out what chipset you have and update the drivers for it.

 

Make sure you are doing NOTHING else when you are encoding and for the best performance, turn off the internet and shut down you anti-virus. If it is running, it may be trying to scan every bit of information being writtent o your had drive.

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I think you're confusing two different things here

 

When you view the clips, the source doesn't matter - it's just playback. When you render you need a lot more clout.

 

Videowave is an authoring app - it lets you edit the clips and convert them - hence the heavier CPU and RAM usage. Viewing them in Media Player or Cineplayer isn't doing that

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OK, I ran a defrag and have now doubled the RAM to 4GB. I've disabled all my start up processes, deleted all my temp files, disconnected from the internet and disabled my firewall and anti virus software...to no effect.

 

Can anyone offer any more suggestions?

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OK, I ran a defrag and have now doubled the RAM to 4GB. I've disabled all my start up processes, deleted all my temp files, disconnected from the internet and disabled my firewall and anti virus software...to no effect.

 

Can anyone offer any more suggestions?

 

Have you turned off all running programs while encoding?

Have you tried running in software mode (under File/tools/options)?

Have your tried burning first to a image (iso) file or a folder set and then burning those to a DVD?

Maybe you posted this info already but how long in time is your project? What quality setting are you using? Avoid Fit-to-disc.

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Have you turned off all running programs while encoding?

Have you tried running in software mode (under File/tools/options)?

Have your tried burning first to a image (iso) file or a folder set and then burning those to a DVD?

Maybe you posted this info already but how long in time is your project? What quality setting are you using? Avoid Fit-to-disc.

 

Hi

 

Yes I have done all of the above but the choppy video actually appears in videowave and the finished DVD, not just the finished DVD. The project I first saw the issue on was an hour but even if I start a new project and add 15 secs of video to it from the new camera then I get the problem. The AVI files from the miniDV camcorder I had still work fine, the issue only appears with the M2TS files or MPG files I'm getting from the new folder. Are these likely to need even more RAM than 4GB?

 

Thanks for all your help

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Hi

 

Yes I have done all of the above but the choppy video actually appears in videowave and the finished DVD, not just the finished DVD. The project I first saw the issue on was an hour but even if I start a new project and add 15 secs of video to it from the new camera then I get the problem. The AVI files from the miniDV camcorder I had still work fine, the issue only appears with the M2TS files or MPG files I'm getting from the new folder. Are these likely to need even more RAM than 4GB?

 

Thanks for all your help

RAM has NOTHING to do with it!

 

Look at my signature block, I run on PC's with 1.5 to 2 GB of RAM without any problems...

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RAM has NOTHING to do with it!

 

Look at my signature block, I run on PC's with 1.5 to 2 GB of RAM without any problems...

 

Well thanks for confirming that Jim but now I'm out of ideas. I've done a clean uninstall and reinstall and followed all the advice that people on the forum have very kindly given me and nothing has worked. I've raised a ticket and as a consequence uninstalled, reinstalled, updated .NET framework and XML, all to no avail.

 

It's a real shame as I have worked with Roxio EMC since 2002 and been more than happy with it but I cannot seem to overcome this problem.

 

I'd appreciate any more advice anyone can give me but I think the next step might be finding some alternative software.

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But it keeps going back to the files you are using...

 

Give us a test clip!

 

Record 5 or 10 seconds with music or some steady audio in the background (ears pick up flaws better than eyes ;) )

 

Post it on a site like UpForDown or any other of your choosing and give us the link to download it.

 

You can see in my signature block, my PC's are nearly the same or Less than what you have...

 

One other thing you can try while getting that download for us, is to pass a couple of offending files through a video converter, like, Any Video Converter

HERE.

 

Output to a HD like mp4 or mpeg2 HD... Keep the quality but change the file a little and try it ;)

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But it keeps going back to the files you are using...

 

Give us a test clip!

 

Record 5 or 10 seconds with music or some steady audio in the background (ears pick up flaws better than eyes ;) )

 

Post it on a site like UpForDown or any other of your choosing and give us the link to download it.

 

You can see in my signature block, my PC's are nearly the same or Less than what you have...

 

One other thing you can try while getting that download for us, is to pass a couple of offending files through a video converter, like, Any Video Converter

HERE.

 

Output to a HD like mp4 or mpeg2 HD... Keep the quality but change the file a little and try it ;)

 

OK, I've posted a clip with a long pan in it which highlights the problem beautifully:

 

 

http://www.upfordown.com/files/download/11289/Upload.mpg

 

Thanks Jim!!

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OK, I've posted a clip with a long pan in it which highlights the problem beautifully:

 

 

http://www.upfordown...1289/Upload.mpg

 

Thanks Jim!!

 

I can tell that a lot of people are trying to help. I've got high speed Internet and am still downloading at only 50kb/sec !:blink:

 

I have a question for you. Did you connect your camcorder directly to you TV and watch that scene to see if it was in the original?

 

I see what you see. I don't know if that juttrering is because of the camcorder or the program.

 

I have tried sevral things to get rid of it but I can't. I am using Creator 2012.

 

I'm going to try doing some things with a different video editing program so I'll be back.

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I can tell that a lot of people are trying to help. I've got high speed Internet and am still downloading at only 50kb/sec !:blink:

 

I have a question for you. Did you connect your camcorder directly to you TV and watch that scene to see if it was in the original?

 

I see what you see. I don't know if that juttrering is because of the camcorder or the program.

 

I have tried sevral things to get rid of it but I can't. I am using Creator 2012.

 

I'm going to try doing some things with a different video editing program so I'll be back.

 

In Creator 2012, I used the video stabilier and that did not help. I used Video Copy and Convert and 'Any Video Converter" to reconvert that video to the same quality mpg2 file and added thos to Video Wave and got no improvement.

 

I tried another Video Editing program;

 

OK that didn't take long. I used a different video editing program and saw the same thing. I used their video stabilier and it did no better than the Roxio video stabilizer.

 

Perhaps someone else has a different idea.

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In Creator 2012, I used the video stabilier and that did not help. I used Video Copy and Convert and 'Any Video Converter" to reconvert that video to the same quality mpg2 file and added thos to Video Wave and got no improvement.

 

I tried another Video Editing program;

 

OK that didn't take long. I used a different video editing program and saw the same thing. I used their video stabilier and it did no better than the Roxio video stabilizer.

 

Perhaps someone else has a different idea.

 

One last thought and it doesn't eliminate the juttering but it is not quite as distracting. I took the video and slowed it down to about 70% of full speed. It looks better to me -- again it does NOT eliminate the problem. You could do this for those sections where you don't mind losing the audio I did not play around with the speed settings. Gte to the speed settings by selecting the video (section) and then selecting trim. You will see a adjustment below the central preview.

 

Let us know if you want more directions to do this.

 

BTW (it threw me for a second;) I did not expect a PAL video):P

 

Also I tried playing the video in a couple of video players (actually 4 others) and it still had the juttering that you were talking about. I don't know why you are getting a good playback.

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OK, I've posted a clip with a long pan in it which highlights the problem beautifully:

 

 

http://www.upfordown...1289/Upload.mpg

 

Thanks Jim!!

 

Is that file you uploaded the original direct from the camcorder? If yes then I see the "juddering" in every one of 3 or 4 players I tried including WMP.

 

If not, then could you upload a original clip from the camcorder.

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Is that file you uploaded the original direct from the camcorder? If yes then I see the "juddering" in every one of 3 or 4 players I tried including WMP.

 

If not, then could you upload a original clip from the camcorder.

 

The video that was posted was converted from the original as Jim suggested using Videowave.

 

Here's the original direct from the camcorder

 

http://www.upfordown.com/files/download/11289/20110829072325.m2ts

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The video that was posted was converted from the original as Jim suggested using Videowave.

 

Here's the original direct from the camcorder

 

http://www.upfordown...0829072325.m2ts

 

Clarify please, the converted file that you posted yesterday was PAL format; the m2ts file you posted today is NTSC. Whcih do you want?

 

The m2ts file played better but converting it in either Video Wave or the other video editing program still gave some of the stuttering that you saw but not as bad.

 

More to come.

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Clarify please, the converted file that you posted yesterday was PAL format; the m2ts file you posted today is NTSC. Whcih do you want?

 

The m2ts file played better but converting it in either Video Wave or the other video editing program still gave some of the stuttering that you saw but not as bad.

 

More to come.

 

I just noticed that the files was captured at 60 fps; did you intend to do that? That is good for high speed like capturing a car race but not so good for normal videos. Most movies/videos are now captured at 24 fps for a smoother appearance.

 

Try this. Take the original video or what you uploaded and use a third party converter. I use "Any Video Converter" but you can go to cnet .com and get one that looks good to you. Convert your video to mpg2, 30 or 24 fps and the resolution that you want. It will take only a couple of seconds for the short clip. Noe where you want it saved. Open Video Wave and add that converted video clip. Does it look better? It did to me.

 

As I said above I used two different video editors to work with the m2ts file you uploaded today and both gave similar results but not quite as bad as you got (different hardware?) I did get good results using the converter and then using Video Wave to do the editing.

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I just noticed that the files was captured at 60 fps; did you intend to do that? That is good for high speed like capturing a car race but not so good for normal videos. Most movies/videos are now captured at 24 fps for a smoother appearance.

 

Try this. Take the original video or what you uploaded and use a third party converter. I use "Any Video Converter" but you can go to cnet .com and get one that looks good to you. Convert your video to mpg2, 30 or 24 fps and the resolution that you want. It will take only a couple of seconds for the short clip. Noe where you want it saved. Open Video Wave and add that converted video clip. Does it look better? It did to me.

 

As I said above I used two different video editors to work with the m2ts file you uploaded today and both gave similar results but not quite as bad as you got (different hardware?) I did get good results using the converter and then using Video Wave to do the editing.

 

Hello.

 

The frame rate was set by the camcorder and there isn't an option to change it.

 

I've tried the conversion process and no difference I'm afraid! Thanks for the suggestion though!

 

The file was originally NTSC as I bought the camcorder in Florida (you gentlemen over the pond have electronic goods at a far lower price than us Brits) but when working in videowave that shouldn't matter surely? The problem remains even when I convert it to PAL before editing in videowave.

 

Does anyone think that my system just isn't up to the job of working with HD video?

 

Mark

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I just noticed that the files was captured at 60 fps; did you intend to do that? That is good for high speed like capturing a car race but not so good for normal videos. Most movies/videos are now captured at 24 fps for a smoother appearance.

 

Try this. Take the original video or what you uploaded and use a third party converter. I use "Any Video Converter" but you can go to cnet .com and get one that looks good to you. Convert your video to mpg2, 30 or 24 fps and the resolution that you want. It will take only a couple of seconds for the short clip. Noe where you want it saved. Open Video Wave and add that converted video clip. Does it look better? It did to me.

 

As I said above I used two different video editors to work with the m2ts file you uploaded today and both gave similar results but not quite as bad as you got (different hardware?) I did get good results using the converter and then using Video Wave to do the editing.

 

How did you determine the frame rate for the m2ts file? When I added it in VW it says the frame rate is 29.7

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