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If this is addressed in another forum entry, please let me know. I saw some references to it, but there was nothing conclusive in the responses.

 

I am trying to change each menu's thumbnail. I right-click on a menu thumbnail, click Select Thumbnail, then find the scene within that chapter to use as the thumbnail, and click OK. On -some- menu thumbnails, it immediately changes to the new selected thumbnail. On others it -never- changes -- even though I can select change thumbnail again, and see that the selected thumbnail is different.

 

I have tried saving the project.

I have then tried exiting MyDvd and reloading the project.

I have tried clearing the proxy files under Options.

Nothing solves this problem so far.

 

Is this a known bug?

Is there any work-around?

 

 

Here are more details as to how I created the menus ... if it matters. Everything was done using Roxio Video Lab HD software running on Windows 7.

 

I start Video Lab, and select Edit Video, which brings up Videowave. I import a .avi file, and split the movie into "tracks" using the split button of the timeline feature.

 

I then save the production as a .dmsm file, and then from Videowave I click Output/Send to MyDvd.

 

In MyDvd, I select Edit Chapters, and under "Automatically Create Chapters" I select At Start of Every Panel, and Go -- this creates the chapters and chapter menus.

 

Thanks in advance.

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I am not sure what information you need or how to present it ...

 

In the same project, I can have 4 chapter thumbnails in the same menu screen, and after selecting a different thumbnail for chapter #2 it correctly displays the new thumbnail, while selecting a new thumbnail for chapter #3 the thumbnail does not change. There does not seem to be any obvious difference between the one that changes and the one that does not.

 

Please let me know what other information would be helpful, and how to present it.

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Those buttons are not 'Chapters' but rather "Titles" ;)

 

Now there is a "Chapter menu" and of course the buttons on those seperate menu pages would be called 'Chapter Buttons' :huh: Clear as mud, right :lol:

 

But, Every Menu has a Name:

 

post-39730-079332000 1320863897.jpg

 

Likewise Every Button Style has a Name:

 

post-39730-060619900 1320863895.jpg

 

What are the Names of the ones you are using???

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Those buttons are not 'Chapters' but rather "Titles" ;)

 

Now there is a "Chapter menu" and of course the buttons on those seperate menu pages would be called 'Chapter Buttons' :huh: Clear as mud, right :lol:

 

But, Every Menu has a Name:

 

post-39730-079332000 1320863897.jpg

 

Likewise Every Button Style has a Name:

 

post-39730-060619900 1320863895.jpg

 

What are the Names of the ones you are using???

 

Jim, the OP has created a chapter menu and he wants to change the video shown in the chapters thumbnails. He is creating the chapter menu correctly and is not working with titles.

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Right, I just split the imported .avi into different tracks in Videowave, output that to MyDvd, and use the automatic "create chapters" feature to turn every "panel" (MyDvd's name) into a "chapter" (MyDvd's name). MyDvd creates and assigns a separate menu or submenu for every 4 chapters, and creates a visual menu button with thumbnail for each chapter -- the names are automatically chosen by MyDvd starting with 1 and going up. So literally menu chapter named "2" can have its thumbnail changed, while the one named "3" will not change.

 

If it would help for me to capture image(s) and paste them, I can do that also.

 

I don't believe this is necessarily a new problem, btw, there are other references to this on the internet, it's just that all the ones I have seen seem to get sidetracked without a conclusive resolution.

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Right, I just split the imported .avi into different tracks in Videowave, output that to MyDvd, and use the automatic "create chapters" feature to turn every "panel" (MyDvd's name) into a "chapter" (MyDvd's name). MyDvd creates and assigns a separate menu or submenu for every 4 chapters, and creates a visual menu button with thumbnail for each chapter -- the names are automatically chosen by MyDvd starting with 1 and going up. So literally menu chapter named "2" can have its thumbnail changed, while the one named "3" will not change.

 

If it would help for me to capture image(s) and paste them, I can do that also.

 

I don't believe this is necessarily a new problem, btw, there are other references to this on the internet, it's just that all the ones I have seen seem to get sidetracked without a conclusive resolution.

 

Are you doing any editing in Videowave? If not then there is really no need to start with Videowave. You can just launch myDVD, add you avi (a main menu page is created with your movie as the only title on that page). Select the movie on the menu and then select "edit Movie". You can now create the same panels using the same split method. Then create the chpaters again. See if that makes any difference.

 

I only have C2012 installed but as far as I know the Videowave and myDVD are identical in their operation as Video Lab HD

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Yes that was right there in the first post - need to polish my bi-focals :lol:

 

For posting screen caps ~ HERE

 

I don't really have any problem with this, hence the need to know Which Ones you are using!

 

Here are 4 random ones I picked:

 

post-39730-023975500 1320875862.jpg

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I have the same problem as described here. I editing in VideoWave (C2010 Pro)and wanted to change the thumbnails but was only able to change some and not others. I posted this problem some months ago but did not get a single response. The problem still persists. I WILL BE GLADE TO SEE ONE OF THE GURUS SHOWS HOW TO OVER COME THE PROBLEM or ROXIO FIXES THIS BUG IF IT IS ONE.

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I am editing the videos, so I need to use Videowave. But per the first request, I tried importing the .avi directly into MyDvd, splitting into chapters, and using that method, ALL the thumbnails could be changed -- it worked fine. But that isn't sufficient because I need to do trimming and editing.

 

Per the second request here are screen shots from MyDvd (after using Output to MyDvd from Videowave after splitting).

 

"Select Thumbnail" selection window for chapter "2":

post-77203-047727400 1320878660.jpg

 

After hitting OK for "Select Thumbnail" selection window for chapter "2" (thumbnail was changed):

post-77203-044220200 1320878710.jpg

 

"Select Thumbnail" selection window for chapter "3":

post-77203-090416000 1320878736.jpg

 

After hitting OK for "Select Thumbnail" selection window for chapter "3" (thumbnail did not change):

post-77203-072604700 1320878766.jpg

 

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I am editing the videos, so I need to use Videowave. But per the first request, I tried importing the .avi directly into MyDvd, splitting into chapters, and using that method, ALL the thumbnails could be changed -- it worked fine. But that isn't sufficient because I need to do trimming and editing.

 

Per the second request here are screen shots from MyDvd (after using Output to MyDvd from Videowave after splitting).

 

"Select Thumbnail" selection window for chapter "2":

post-77203-047727400 1320878660.jpg

 

After hitting OK for "Select Thumbnail" selection window for chapter "2" (thumbnail was changed):

post-77203-044220200 1320878710.jpg

 

"Select Thumbnail" selection window for chapter "3":

post-77203-090416000 1320878736.jpg

 

After hitting OK for "Select Thumbnail" selection window for chapter "3" (thumbnail did not change):

post-77203-072604700 1320878766.jpg

 

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Are you really trying to squeeze 2:30 hours of video on a 4.7GB DVD? It will never work as you are using fit-to-disc which has all sorts of problems when trying to compress video with menus. Even if it does work the quality will be so poor it will be unwatchable. A 4.7GB DVD can only hold 60 minutes of video at best (HQ) quality. Any longer and the video has to be compressed. The higher the compression the lower the quality.

 

BTW, you don't have to set your chapter points in Videowave. It can just as easily be done in myDVD. Actually that is the preferred method.

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I have the same problem as described here. I editing in VideoWave (C2010 Pro)and wanted to change the thumbnails but was only able to change some and not others. I posted this problem some months ago but did not get a single response. The problem still persists. I WILL BE GLADE TO SEE ONE OF THE GURUS SHOWS HOW TO OVER COME THE PROBLEM or ROXIO FIXES THIS BUG IF IT IS ONE.

 

You do not even have the same software as the OP! Please start a new thread in the correct forum.

 

BTW, how can you even log in if you are only a "guest"?

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The video originates from my old VHS tapes, which have much lower equivalent resolution. Compressing that amount of material (about 2 to 2.5 hours) gives it a resolution of "LP" which is about 4 Mbs at a resolution of 352x480 (which is the recommended resolution and compression for digitizing VCR-sourced videos per www.digitalfaq.com/guides/video/introduction-record-capture.htm). Note that I capture (the .avi file creation) at a much higher bit rate and resolution, since that is supposed to be better for editing purposes.

 

I have watched the videos on the DVD and they seem fine to me, I don't think I am losing anything by using that compression, given the source. Also, it is typical for people to copy (rip) dual-layer DVDs with 2 hours or even a bit more to single-layer DVDs, which will result in similar compression, and I can tell you those DVDs are high-quality videos, you wouldn't even know that they are copies that have been re-encoded and compressed 2x more compared to the original.

 

However, if you have experience that contradicts that, especially for VHS-based (low resolution) sourced videos, please let me know, as I am open to suggestions and advice. For example, if you feel from experience with the Roxio software that it will cause problems with menus or something else, I definitely would like to know if it is considered a big mistake. I am just trying to use the toolset and features that Roxio provides.

 

Regarding the setting of chapters, it just seems a lot easier to break the video into sections (tracks) that I then can trim up and edit as I like in Videowave. Then having each section be automatically turned into a chapter in MyDvd is very nice. Otherwise I have to walk through the long video a second time and set the chapters again.

 

I appreciate your effort, do you think there is a resolution for this problem?

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Of course you can suite yourself about Time & Video but you will actually run across many DVD Players that will not even play a DVD with that low of a quality setting!

 

Personally I would eject it after a few moments, but if your happy with it, go for it ;)

 

Thanks for the pics, I will dabble with this some and see what happens. Let you know!

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The only one I cannot get to change is the Button for Chapter 1... All the rest of them in the Projects I tried work.

 

I did try it on 2 different PCs, running different Versions and cannot duplicate your results.

 

My PC's are set for Roxio AVC SmartEncode as well as Hardware Render. Is that what you are set to?

 

Also, in MyDVD would you click on 'Help - About' and tell us what the Build Number is??? (mine is 131B66A ENU)

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Yes, mine is set to SmartEncode and Hardware Render.

 

Did you use Videowave to break it up into tracks, then use MyDvd to automatically turn those tracks into chapters/menus (Edit Chapters, and under "Automatically Create Chapters" select At Start of Every Panel, and Go)? Because splitting with MyDvd, as stated earlier, does -not- have this problem.

 

BTW, I cannot change the first menu thumbnail either -- which seems to be tied into the "main" menu as the first thumbnail -- if I change the "main" menu first thumbnail, it also changes the the first menu page's first thumbnail.

 

Also, I found an older version of MyDvd (from Roxio Creator SD 10.3) and it seems to have the same problem (unable to change some thumbnails). It also can't change menu 1 thumbnail unless I change the main menu thumbnail. Note that in the older version, I had split the chapters differently. So using the same AVI file as the base, I have split into chapters differently using my new Video Lab HD version of Videowave, and split them differently using my old Creator 10 version of Videowave, and still have problems with, as an example, changing the first menu page's third thumbnail -- seems to be consistently the third, regardless of where it was split, regardless of version. I really think it's a software bug.

 

Here is my current version:

 

post-39730-085926400 1321111859.jpg

 

(edit to remove SN ;) jeh)

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Part of the difficulty is you refuese to speak the language of the software... :( There are NO SUCH THINGS as 'Tracks'! Therefore I have absolutly no idea what you are doing. Using your own made up slang is not helping...

 

I did try several variations but could not reproduce your problem! I also believe that this does exist so I will make one shot-in-the-dark suggestion :lol:

 

Do the Prep Steps to the letter!

 

Then start the install of the Suite, only pick Repair when it is offered.

 

Updates to Roxio (if there are any) will have to be installed.

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Yes, mine is set to SmartEncode and Hardware Render.

 

Did you use Videowave to break it up into tracks, then use MyDvd to automatically turn those tracks into chapters/menus (Edit Chapters, and under "Automatically Create Chapters" select At Start of Every Panel, and Go)? Because splitting with MyDvd, as stated earlier, does -not- have this problem.

 

BTW, I cannot change the first menu thumbnail either -- which seems to be tied into the "main" menu as the first thumbnail -- if I change the "main" menu first thumbnail, it also changes the the first menu page's first thumbnail.

 

Also, I found an older version of MyDvd (from Roxio Creator SD 10.3) and it seems to have the same problem (unable to change some thumbnails). It also can't change menu 1 thumbnail unless I change the main menu thumbnail. Note that in the older version, I had split the chapters differently. So using the same AVI file as the base, I have split into chapters differently using my new Video Lab HD version of Videowave, and split them differently using my old Creator 10 version of Videowave, and still have problems with, as an example, changing the first menu page's third thumbnail -- seems to be consistently the third, regardless of where it was split, regardless of version. I really think it's a software bug.

 

Here is my current version:

 

post-39730-085926400 1321111859.jpg

 

(edit to remove SN ;) jeh)

 

What is the build number of Videowave and myDVD in Roxio Video Lab HD program?

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I will try all the steps that were suggested and post the results.

 

In the future, instead of using "tracks", I will call them "panels", and here is what they look like (from the help window for Videowave). In my case, each panel represents a portion of the original .avi video that was added at the start.

post-77203-094898700 1321122453.jpg

 

Here is all the current build information from all the "Help/About" selections (before I have performed all the suggested steps). Note that my previous version of Creator 10 had the same problem.

 

VideoWave:

post-77203-099429700 1321123257.jpg

 

MyDvd:

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Main Video Lab HD (scrolling graphic window so had to clip multiple windows):

post-77203-009929400 1321123267.jpg

post-77203-030470000 1321122399.jpg

post-77203-096995500 1321122416.jpg

post-77203-048321100 1321122425.jpg

post-77203-023894700 1321122433.jpg

post-77203-054725300 1321122438.jpg

post-77203-045234200 1321122442.jpg

 

Thanks.

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I did all the steps, including the Repair.

 

Still have the problem. Yes, it seems to happen with other projects.

 

If you want to try one of my videos/productions/projects, I created a small 6 minute video to illustrate the problem, and uploaded files to Google Docs, where hopefully you can download them. One of them was way too big (the video mpg file) so I just put all of them in Google Docs (just click on them, and then click on the Download button upper right):

 

https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B23qoXPMXIqWMGI5MGM2ZGYtOGI3NS00N2IxLTgzNmEtYWViMGNmMGY3NTlj

https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B23qoXPMXIqWMDQ4NGMwZjUtZTRjNC00N2NjLWI3NTItN2M0Nzk4Mjg3YzM3

https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B23qoXPMXIqWMDQ2ZDc3YTMtMTY3Zi00YjdkLWIxMWQtZjVkMWRkN2JhYjNh

https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B23qoXPMXIqWZjE1YWJkZTAtNzIyZC00NTlhLWExNGUtMzdiMjI2NjBlNGVi

https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B23qoXPMXIqWOGExZjU5N2UtYmY0Ny00ODM4LWFmY2EtMWE0OWQwMmU0ZDhl

https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B23qoXPMXIqWNGJhNGUwNzctZDhkMS00OTAyLWI2MTEtMmI1ZGE3N2YwNmFj

https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B23qoXPMXIqWMDUxOWMxNzYtMWNmNy00YzEwLWJhMTgtYTBiM2FlZGZkZWY2

https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B23qoXPMXIqWZGVlNzM4NDQtZTcxMS00ZjkxLWJlZWEtY2E3NDgwZmI1Mzhi

 

If you have any problems downloading them, please let me know.

 

The files are:

 

Vid.mpg

original mpg video

 

Vid No Split.dmsm

Videowave production before splitting into panels

Vid No Split.dat

goes with above file

 

Vid Split.dmsm

Videowave production split into 4 panels

Vid Split.dat

goes with above file

 

Vid Split No Chapters.dmsd

MyDvd project before creating chapters

 

Vid Split Chapters.dmsd

MyDvd project after creating chapters

 

Vid Split Chapters Thumbnails

Mydvd project with menu thumbnails 2 & 3 changed (only 2 shows changed thumbnail)

 

Thanks in advance.

 

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I did all the steps, including the Repair.

 

Still have the problem. Yes, it seems to happen with other projects.

 

If you want to try one of my videos/productions/projects, I created a small 6 minute video to illustrate the problem, and uploaded files to Google Docs, where hopefully you can download them. One of them was way too big (the video mpg file) so I just put all of them in Google Docs (just click on them, and then click on the Download button upper right):

 

https://docs.google....WViMGNmMGY3NTlj

https://docs.google....2M0Nzk4Mjg3YzM3

https://docs.google....jVkMWRkN2JhYjNh

https://docs.google....zdiMjI2NjBlNGVi

https://docs.google....WE0OWQwMmU0ZDhl

https://docs.google....mI1ZGE3N2YwNmFj

https://docs.google....TBiM2FlZGZkZWY2

https://docs.google....2E3NDgwZmI1Mzhi

 

If you have any problems downloading them, please let me know.

 

The files are:

 

Vid.mpg

original mpg video

 

Vid No Split.dmsm

Videowave production before splitting into panels

Vid No Split.dat

goes with above file

 

Vid Split.dmsm

Videowave production split into 4 panels

Vid Split.dat

goes with above file

 

Vid Split No Chapters.dmsd

MyDvd project before creating chapters

 

Vid Split Chapters.dmsd

MyDvd project after creating chapters

 

Vid Split Chapters Thumbnails

Mydvd project with menu thumbnails 2 & 3 changed (only 2 shows changed thumbnail)

 

Thanks in advance.

 

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I can duplicate the problem with the editing of the chapter thumbnails. I am using C2012 but I think the VW amd myDVD are the same in your program; at least the Build numbers are similar.

 

I used a 30 minute video and created split points every couple of minute or so in Videowave. This gave me about 15 panels. I then saved the VW project as a dmsm project file. I exited VW and launched myDVD and kept the default menu style. After adding the VW project file, I selected the movie on the menu page and then selected Edit Chapters and selected the Create chapters for every panel option and proceeded to create the chapter menu. The program then created a chapter menu of 3 pages or so with 4 chapter thumbnails on each menu page. I then tried to change the thumbnail in each chapter window. Like you I was only able to change the thumbnail for the even numbered chapters (2,4,6,...) while the odd numbered chapters (1,3,5,..) did not change. So there seems to be some bug in the program.

 

As I posted earlier, I do not create chapters and chapter menus that way. I always create my chapters after I have completed all my editing and create the chapter points in myDVD. Setting chapter points in VW is pointless especially if you later make editing changes in VW. Edits inVW are not reflected in myDVD the next time you launch myDVD. You have to create a new project and re-add the edited VW project. So why bother with setting chapter points until you are completely finished makeing your edits in VW?

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I don't really set chapter points in Videowave, I just split the video into panels. If I later need to edit the video, the split panels are retained by the Videowave saved production, so I can just make whatever edits, save the production again, and then use MyDvd to actually create the chapters (automatically).

 

Using this method, I can make small edits to the production in Videowave, and the panels are not affected, or minimally affected, so then creating a new project and using MyDvd to automatically create the chapters is very quick.

 

If I use the technique you are suggesting, and I need to edit the production in Videowave, doesn't it mean that even a small edit requires a new project in MyDvd, which means going through and manually re-setting each chapter point? If not, then I see your point. If so, it seems like that is -more- work, not less, because in the overall process an edit causes the chapter points to be lost each time, where the panels (future chapters) are not.

 

If the workaround to the thumbnail problem is to always manually select chapter points in MyDvd, then I guess that is what I will have to do.

 

Thanks again for the help.

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I don't really set chapter points in Videowave, I just split the video into panels. If I later need to edit the video, the split panels are retained by the Videowave saved production, so I can just make whatever edits, save the production again, and then use MyDvd to actually create the chapters (automatically).

 

Using this method, I can make small edits to the production in Videowave, and the panels are not affected, or minimally affected, so then creating a new project and using MyDvd to automatically create the chapters is very quick.

 

If I use the technique you are suggesting, and I need to edit the production in Videowave, doesn't it mean that even a small edit requires a new project in MyDvd, which means going through and manually re-setting each chapter point? If not, then I see your point. If so, it seems like that is -more- work, not less, because in the overall process an edit causes the chapter points to be lost each time, where the panels (future chapters) are not.

 

If the workaround to the thumbnail problem is to always manually select chapter points in MyDvd, then I guess that is what I will have to do.

 

Thanks again for the help.

But doing it the way you are does not work!

 

We will get this reported but I can pretty well guess there will never be an Update...

 

Here is about the best compromise I can find. If you want to use Splits in VideoWave to keep track of things, fine. I would suggest you also add Markers at the start of each split or anywhere you later want a chapter.

 

Then convert the Markers in MyDVD to Chapters.

 

This is covered near the end of Topic on 'Chapters Scenes and Things', HERE.

 

Take a look through that, there are plenty of pictures ;)

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I just tried that ... adding markers in Videowave, then converting them to chapter markers in MyDvd.

 

Then in MyDvd I selected Edit Chapters, and there were now several chapters. The "Update Chapter Menu(s)" box was selected (X-ed) by default. I hit OK to get the menus generated, and ... MyDvd crashes ... I get a Win7 window saying "Videowave stopped working" (apparently that is the underlying program name) -or- MyDvd just terminates. Even if I save the production, reload, and Edit Chapters, same thing, it crashes.

 

I am coming to the conclusion that this program is just really buggy and you have to do things in a very specific way, or it doesn't behave.

 

So I will just have to either create Chapters directly in MyDvd, and if I ever have to do some editing, lose that Chapter work and recreate it, -or- live with half the thumbnails not being changeable.

 

Thanks again.

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I just tried that ... adding markers in Videowave, then converting them to chapter markers in MyDvd.

 

Then in MyDvd I selected Edit Chapters, and there were now several chapters. The "Update Chapter Menu(s)" box was selected (X-ed) by default. I hit OK to get the menus generated, and ... MyDvd crashes ... I get a Win7 window saying "Videowave stopped working" (apparently that is the underlying program name) -or- MyDvd just terminates. Even if I save the production, reload, and Edit Chapters, same thing, it crashes.

 

I am coming to the conclusion that this program is just really buggy and you have to do things in a very specific way, or it doesn't behave.

 

So I will just have to either create Chapters directly in MyDvd, and if I ever have to do some editing, lose that Chapter work and recreate it, -or- live with half the thumbnails not being changeable.

 

Thanks again.

 

I have used this way of marking/creating chapters several times and have never had a problem. I do not believe there is a bug with this part of the program, at least no one else has ever posted about it.

 

I my opinion, what you display in the thumbnail window is really not important. After all how much time does a user really spend looking at a menu or what is showing in a little thumbnail window.

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