[PTanser]

Hi

I had been using EMC 7 I then upgraded to EMC 8 and when encoding /rendering a video the speed was excellent at the preview would switch off in about a minute and it would render a 1½ film in about 1 hour, however my hard drive went bang so I had to reinstall my whole system, now when I encode / render a film, the preview stays on and it takes about 7 hours, can any one tell me how I can speed the process up

Many Thanks

Ptanser

[Beerman]

PTanser, on Aug 10 2006, 08:21 AM, said:

Hi

I had been using EMC 7 I then upgraded to EMC 8 and when encoding /rendering a video the speed was excellent at the preview would switch off in about a minute and it would render a 1½ film in about 1 hour, however my hard drive went bang so I had to reinstall my whole system, now when I encode / render a film, the preview stays on and it takes about 7 hours, can any one tell me how I can speed the process up

Many Thanks

Ptanser

Does the encoding complete successfully? Rendereing can take a while depending on many things. You don't mention your system specs so it's hard to make a suggestion but did you get a new drive or 'fixed' the old one? A good defrag can't hurt for a start.

[PTanser]

Hi

It was replaced with the same type of drive and the System Reinstalled, this drive was not used for the rendering.

System Spec is

AMD Athlon 3200
1024MB Ram
2x 120GB IDE HDD
2x 80GB SATA (in RAID striped config, so 2 drive act as 1) its this drive that I use for encoding / rendering

DVDRW
CDRW
Audigy 2
GEFORCE 128MB AGP

MSI Main board

Thanks

Ptanser

[cdanteek]

On my Intel board and chip, I have to install the Intel Application Accelerator Driver for my raid array.

A friend built a AMD similar to mine at about the same time. If I remember AMD has a similar driver, do you remember installing one?
It was on my disc that came with the MB. If you built your system your MB disc should have it. Your mother board manual should give some instructions for it. If its a bought system, I don't know where they put it.

To check if the driver is installed on a Intel chip go to device manager SCSI and Raid controllers, click the + next to that, right click properties Intel SATA RAID controller. If the driver is installed
it will show on the driver file details C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\iaStor\sys.

I would check that DMA is enabled on the primary and secondary IDE channels in device manager too.

I take it the operating system or boot drive is not the Raid Array?

cdanteek

[PTanser]

yes, all drivers are installed

and the os is on a seperate ide drive as thats the one that went bang

Ptanser

[cdanteek]

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yes, all drivers are installed

OK, what is your Raid controller and what driver version is listed?

cdanteek

[PTanser]

Hi

it is a Promise Fastrak 376/378

driver version is

1.0.1.29

Thanks

Ptanser

[grandpabruce]

cdanteek, on Aug 10 2006, 09:35 AM, said:

On my Intel board and chip, I have to install the Intel Application Accelerator Driver for my raid array.

A friend built a AMD similar to mine at about the same time. If I remember AMD has a similar driver, do you remember installing one?
It was on my disc that came with the MB. If you built your system your MB disc should have it. Your mother board manual should give some instructions for it. If its a bought system, I don't know where they put it.

To check if the driver is installed on a Intel chip go to device manager SCSI and Raid controllers, click the + next to that, right click properties Intel SATA RAID controller. If the driver is installed
it will show on the driver file details C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\iaStor\sys.

I would check that DMA is enabled on the primary and secondary IDE channels in device manager too.

I take it the operating system or boot drive is not the Raid Array?

cdanteek

I know that he doesn't have and Intel chip, but if YOU installed the Intel Application Accelerator Driver on your Intel system, there is no way to check DMA settings through the Device Manager, because the Intel Driver removes the Advanced tab. (Actually, it just doesn't add the Advanced or any tabs.) You have to check the DMA through the Intel App. Manager.

[cdanteek]

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it is a Promise Fastrak 376/378

driver version is

1.0.1.29

Ok, I see a newer version. PROMISE fastrack & sata 276/376/378 version 3.2.1 Was the promise driver and your bios version updated before you reloaded the system?
If one was and you reloaded off the original MB disc, everything could be a older version and that could be the problem.

It's time to explain in DETAIL the before and after driver and bios updates!
You said all drivers installed, the question is from where.
What is the make and model of the MB?

cdanteek

[PTanser]

Hi

its a MSI Nforce board, not sure on the model

The drivers were all updated fropm the MSI web site

Have you the link to the Promise drivers ??

Ptanser

[cdanteek]

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You have to check the DMA through the Intel App. Manager.

Bruce,
What I was refering to in device manager for Intel Raid ( if the Intel Application Accelerator Driver was installed, this is listed on the driver file details C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\iaStor\sys.)

<You have to check the DMA through the Intel App. Manager.>

No that won't show any DMA either!

I use Nero Info Tool, see Adapter 3 below.

Interface Information
---------------------
Adapter 1
---------
Description : Primary IDE Channel

Driver
Description : System32\DRIVERS\atapi.sys
Company : Microsoft Corporation
Version : 5.1.2600.2180 (xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-2158)
Description : IDE/ATAPI Port Driver

Attached Devices
Description : Master: Maxtor 6E040L0
Type : Disk Drive
DMA : On

Adapter 2
---------
Description : Secondary IDE Channel

Driver
Description : System32\DRIVERS\atapi.sys
Company : Microsoft Corporation
Version : 5.1.2600.2180 (xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-2158)
Description : IDE/ATAPI Port Driver

Attached Devices
Description : Master: PLEXTOR DVDR PX-716A
Type : CD-Rom Drive
DMA : On
Autorun : Off
Description : Slave: PLEXTOR DVDR PX-712A
Type : CD-Rom Drive
DMA : On
Autorun : Off

Adapter 3
---------
Description : Primary IDE Channel

Driver
Description : System32\DRIVERS\iaStor.sys
Company : Intel Corporation
Version : 3.5.0.2568, 06/17/2003
Description : Intel Application Accelerator driver

Attached Devices
Description : Master: Raid 0 Volume
Type : Disk Drive
DMA : On

Adapter 4
---------
Description : VIA VT6410 IDE RAID Controller

Driver
Description : System32\DRIVERS\viaraid.sys
Company : VIA Technologies inc,.ltd
Version : 5.1.2600.210
Description : VT6410 RAID DRIVER FOR WINXP

Attached Devices
Description : ID 0 (0): Maxtor 6Y080P0 YAR4
Type : Disk Drive

Adapter 5
---------
Description : Intel® 82801EB USB Universal Host Controller - 24DE

Driver
Description : System32\DRIVERS\usbuhci.sys
Company : Microsoft Corporation
Version : 5.1.2600.2180 (xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-2158)
Description : UHCI USB Miniport Driver

Attached Devices
Description : USB2.0 CardReader CF RW USB Device
Type : Disk Drive
Description : USB2.0 CardReader Combo USB Device
Type : Disk Drive

The primary and secondary Adapter 1 & 2 only show the advanced settings tab for DMA, in device manager.
The Via Raid don't show in either.
This is SATA 150 1st generation.

cdanteek

[cdanteek]

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its a MSI Nforce board, not sure on the model

The drivers were all updated fropm the MSI web site

Have you the link to the Promise drivers ??

The version 3.2.1 was a google search for (Promise Fastrak 376/378 driver)
Now the Promise website don't list that model on a driver update. Might be a MSI only thing.
You should search MSI site for a updated driver for the card.
You really need the model # of the MB. Its on the board somewhere.
Are you sure you installed the correct drivers and bios from MSI not knowing the MB model #?
To apply the googled driver would be at ones own risk!

cdanteek

[grandpabruce]

cdanteek, on Aug 10 2006, 01:39 PM, said:

Bruce,
What I was refering to in device manager for Intel Raid ( if the Intel Application Accelerator Driver was installed, this is listed on the driver file details C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\iaStor\sys.)

<You have to check the DMA through the Intel App. Manager.>

No that won't show any DMA either!

cdanteek

It worked for me, when I had it installed in my backup computer, which uses an older Intel Chipset. What you are talking about is the Intel Application Accelerator - Raid Edition, which is a different animal than the older IDE version. I didn't see the part about RAID in the first posts. My bad.

But, I am right about the IDE version of the Intel Accelerator.

This post has been edited by grandpabruce: 10 August 2006 - 01:20 PM

[ggrussell]

PTanser, on Aug 10 2006, 09:21 AM, said:

when encoding /rendering a video the speed was excellent at the preview would switch off in about a minute

When burning a 'DVD Compliant' MPEG file, MyDVD 8 normally does not re-encode and builds the VOB file(s) directly from the MPEG. When you see the gray preview with the word MPEG, it is not encoding and the process is much faster.

Sounds like MyDVD is now encoding the entire file. If you did any editing, this can cause part or all to be re-encoded. If you use DV AVI files, they must always be encoded to MPEG.

After you reinstalled the OS, what type of file did you use in your MyDVD project? MPEG 2? DV AVI?

This post has been edited by ggrussell: 10 August 2006 - 01:28 PM

[Beerman]

ggrussell, on Aug 10 2006, 04:22 PM, said:

I think everyone has over looked the obvious here. When burning a 'DVD Compliant' MPEG file, MyDVD 8 normally does not re-encode and builds the VOB file(s) directly from the MPEG. When you see the gray preview with the word MPEG, it is not encoding and the process is much faster.

Sounds like MyDVD is now encoding the entire file. If you did any editing, this can cause part or all to be re-encoded. If you use DV AVI files, they must always be encoded to MPEG.

After you reinstalled the OS, what type of file did you use in your MyDVD project? MPEG 2? DV AVI?

I do agree with you Gary but with his rig, it doesn't seem right to take 7 hours. It could be a mix of many things that is causing this problem. I believe we may be confusing him more than helping him.....I know I'm out the loop as far as helping.

[ggrussell]

My last Computer was Athlon 3000+ and 4X the movie length was common with no editing at all. Now if he had done lots of edits, added transitions, overlays, special effects, etc., 7 hours is not unreasonable.

Since he SPECIFICALLY mentioned that the preview was not there before, it's clear that MyDVD was not encoding which does make a huge difference in total time.

So it's a matter of what he was really asking. How to cut down 7 hours of REAL RENDER time or why was there a difference between the two instances? I chose the later.

This post has been edited by ggrussell: 10 August 2006 - 01:43 PM

[PTanser]

Hi

I belive the drivers I was using were the later ones as I use MSI Live Update software which auto checks for BIOS, Drivers updates weekly

as far as I know there are no other changes in the system than before the reinstall.

Yes I have edited the Video file, but only to the point of cutting bits out, no transistion, overlays etcs

These are the same files that rendered without the preview previously

Thanks

Ptanser

[cdanteek]

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These are the same files that rendered without the preview previously

Ptanser,
I'm sorry, I have asked questions about your reinstall with very info back from you. MSI auto update did not reload your system. Someone has to make system configuration setting. Bios setup, and create the raid array. I have asked about the MB disc, MB manual, DMA settings and such. With out this info I'm no help!

Quote

it doesn't seem right to take 7 hours. It could be a mix of many things that is causing this problem.

I do agree Paul, even if I encode to a HD on a IDE channel over the Raid Array the time would only about double.

If it did it before and the OP says, it's the same HD and same files.
He has a system that's not setup or configured, the same as before the reinstall!

cdanteek

[ggrussell]

PTanser, on Aug 11 2006, 07:05 AM, said:

Yes I have edited the Video file, but only to the point of cutting bits out, no transistion, overlays etcs These are the same files that rendered without the preview previously

MyDVD can be really picky about edited files. Only once or twice has it worked correctly 'for me' when I did just cuts (It only rendered those spots). It hasn't done that again and that's why I NEVER edit within MyDVD. If you edit in Videowave and then OUTPUT to MPEG, MyDVD should never re-encode those files. Making a disc is much faster when you have a DVD compliant MPEG and do NO EDITS WITHIN MyDVD.

With my last computer which was an Athlon 3000+, that file would have taken at least 6 hours so I really l don't think there is anything wrong with your setup. There is only so much you can do to optimize the hardware and drivers. Sounds like you have covered all those bases.

This post has been edited by ggrussell: 11 August 2006 - 05:49 AM