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#1 Frank-the-frames-guy

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Posted 19 February 2012 - 05:01 PM

I have been using Rosio Creator programs since way back when - Creator 5- for music amd final video production, but for the hard/intensive vidio editing work, i've always used Ulead's Media studio Pro 7.  It was the only software that allowed me to work with videoo files the way I like to do it: frame by frame.  It's the best way to get movies done right; constructing them in small segments at a time that you can later put together for a final production show.  I had to finally move on in my hardware/software and bought more modern stuff: HP xw44oo Workstation, Windows7, a Hauppauge TV tuner, the works.  Alas, my old Ulead's Media studio Pro 7 doesn't know how to swim in those waters.  So, I now have the Roxio Creator 2011 Pro, which has allowed me to inport my old .avi files in, but I cannot get them placed in the frame-by-frame environment I want, so I can work with them as I used to do. Now, I tried the Automatic processing mode, and was blown away by the results, but said results were mostly done by the computer without my help.  I don't like that; I want to control how my productions come out, not just let my program do whatever it wants, regardless of how good the final product may look.  Anyone out there knows how to help me?

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Posted 19 February 2012 - 09:39 PM

View PostFrank-the-frames-guy, on 19 February 2012 - 05:01 PM, said:

I have been using Rosio Creator programs since way back when - Creator 5- for music amd final video production, but for the hard/intensive vidio editing work, i've always used Ulead's Media studio Pro 7.  It was the only software that allowed me to work with videoo files the way I like to do it: frame by frame.  It's the best way to get movies done right; constructing them in small segments at a time that you can later put together for a final production show.  I had to finally move on in my hardware/software and bought more modern stuff: HP xw44oo Workstation, Windows7, a Hauppauge TV tuner, the works.  Alas, my old Ulead's Media studio Pro 7 doesn't know how to swim in those waters.  So, I now have the Roxio Creator 2011 Pro, which has allowed me to inport my old .avi files in, but I cannot get them placed in the frame-by-frame environment I want, so I can work with them as I used to do. Now, I tried the Automatic processing mode, and was blown away by the results, but said results were mostly done by the computer without my help.  I don't like that; I want to control how my productions come out, not just let my program do whatever it wants, regardless of how good the final product may look.  Anyone out there knows how to help me?

What program, in the Creator 2011 suite, are you using?  Also, what does your "frame-by-frame" environment mean?
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Posted 20 February 2012 - 03:27 AM

View Postgrandpabruce, on 19 February 2012 - 09:39 PM, said:

What program, in the Creator 2011 suite, are you using?  Also, what does your "frame-by-frame" environment mean?
:lol:  :D  :lol:

We know what 'frames' are but it is possible you are throwing too much effort into this based on the limitations from your old software :huh:

Take a look at a couple of Topics:

Work flow and Strategy: Here

Planning & Portability: Here

Also a couple of Guru's here have posted some How To Videos:

Karri: HERE

Steve: HERE

Otherwise as GPB suggest, be a little more specific ;)
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Posted 22 February 2012 - 06:47 PM

Dear Digital guru,  First off, thank you for taking the time to share your knowledge.  I am using the "Edit Video Advanced" selection, which automatically lands me into "Videowave".  I bring in one of my .avi clips to edit there, and the clip appears in the main display ("Preview") window, and also in the "Storyline" section below. (I much more prefer the "Timeline" view when I edit).  My problem is, my .avi video clips appear as a single frame at the start point, with a blue field extending out to where the end of the clip time frame should show up.  I am used to seeing my .avi clips show up in the timeline view with all the frames available, so I can cut and splice accordingly.  That's NOT happening with this software, therefore I cannot edit "Frame by Frame", as I am used to do.  How can I get my ,avi clips to show up as a collection of however many frames the clip has, instead of a single frame at one end, and a blue field for the rest of the frames I should be able to see and choose from? I can see how this editor would probably string together up to 48 "finished-product" .avi clips and allow me to make a great finished movie, but the .avi clips I have (from a previous program editor and computer) are not "finished" yet. I still have some work to do to most of those .avi clips, before they are ready to be used by the Roxio Prodution program.

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 07:16 PM

To Karri & Steve, thank you for your help.  I believe I need to explain where I'm comin from.  In the past, I had a Desktop PC to which I conected an ADVC-100 converter through a Firewire connection. The ADVC-100 has S-Video, Composite, and Digital input/output lines.  I was thus able to send a video signal into my PC from of any VCR, or DVR video source, and ended up with >avi video clips (30frames/second) that I could then edit - Frame by Frame - on my PC.  I could cut frame sections out, duplicate them, reverse-flow them, speed them up or slow them down, etc.  It was hard, tedious work, but the end product was worth it for me because I would enf up with exactly the video clip I wanted, frame by frame. A lot of those .avi clips still need to be perfected, and I cannot do this woth Roxio's Videowave.  I can see from the examples you shared with me that Videowave will be just amazing, when I get my individual video clips finished and ready, but in the meantime, I cannot see how to use videowave to break appart a video clip frame by frame, so I can manipulate the content, frame by frame so it is just the way I'd want it to appear later, as a segment of an entire production.

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 09:42 PM

View PostFrank-the-frames-guy, on 22 February 2012 - 06:47 PM, said:

Dear Digital guru,  First off, thank you for taking the time to share your knowledge.  I am using the "Edit Video Advanced" selection, which automatically lands me into "Videowave".  I bring in one of my .avi clips to edit there, and the clip appears in the main display ("Preview") window, and also in the "Storyline" section below. (I much more prefer the "Timeline" view when I edit).  My problem is, my .avi video clips appear as a single frame at the start point, with a blue field extending out to where the end of the clip time frame should show up.  I am used to seeing my .avi clips show up in the timeline view with all the frames available, so I can cut and splice accordingly.  That's NOT happening with this software, therefore I cannot edit "Frame by Frame", as I am used to do.  How can I get my ,avi clips to show up as a collection of however many frames the clip has, instead of a single frame at one end, and a blue field for the rest of the frames I should be able to see and choose from? I can see how this editor would probably string together up to 48 "finished-product" .avi clips and allow me to make a great finished movie, but the .avi clips I have (from a previous program editor and computer) are not "finished" yet. I still have some work to do to most of those .avi clips, before they are ready to be used by the Roxio Prodution program.

Of course you can edit frame-by-frame in Videowave. You just don't see each individual frame in the time line but you do see each individual frame in the Preview window and you can advance through the timeline frame-by-frame. You can easily select 10 or more frames within a clip and delete them. If you want to delete only a single frame it can also be done easily using the Trim method. I don't see any big advantage to seeing each individual frame in the timeline.

I capture all my videos in avi and delete sections, replace frames with other clips or photos, add overlays over certain frames, add audio so that they apply to only certain frames, etc.

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 03:34 AM

View PostFrank-the-frames-guy, on 22 February 2012 - 06:47 PM, said:

Dear Digital guru,  First off, thank you for taking the time to share your knowledge.  I am using the "Edit Video Advanced" selection, which automatically lands me into "Videowave".  I bring in one of my .avi clips to edit there, and the clip appears in the main display ("Preview") window, and also in the "Storyline" section below. (I much more prefer the "Timeline" view when I edit).  My problem is, my .avi video clips appear as a single frame at the start point, with a blue field extending out to where the end of the clip time frame should show up.  I am used to seeing my .avi clips show up in the timeline view with all the frames available, so I can cut and splice accordingly.  That's NOT happening with this software, therefore I cannot edit "Frame by Frame", as I am used to do.  How can I get my ,avi clips to show up as a collection of however many frames the clip has, instead of a single frame at one end, and a blue field for the rest of the frames I should be able to see and choose from? I can see how this editor would probably string together up to 48 "finished-product" .avi clips and allow me to make a great finished movie, but the .avi clips I have (from a previous program editor and computer) are not "finished" yet. I still have some work to do to most of those .avi clips, before they are ready to be used by the Roxio Prodution program.
Obviously you really didn't look at the references we provided...

Here we are in Timeline:

0 hours, 1 minute, 33 seconds and on Frame 17:
Attached File  Frame 1.jpg   180.3K   0 downloads

Move forward One Frame:
Attached File  Frame 2.jpg   180.73K   0 downloads

Back One Frame:
Attached File  Frame 3.jpg   180.87K   0 downloads


AND you can pop between Timeline and Storyline to quickly locate where you want to place the scrubber next ;)

There is a quirk in VideoWave in that it cannot split and delete a section unless it has 11 frames :huh:

In that case simply locate the START (or end) of a section - go to Timeline:

Attached File  Split - Trim 1.jpg   181.12K   0 downloads

Split:
Attached File  Split - Trim 2.jpg   187.58K   0 downloads

Doubleclick to enter Trim:
Attached File  Split - Trim 3.jpg   142.08K   0 downloads


Done!
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