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#1 Jim B

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 06:13 PM

I have some +RW disks on which I made some recordings. When finished with the recordings, I put the disk back in the recorder and had it erase it. I then looked at the disk using the drive in my computer. There are sub folders and file still on it. when I look at the properties of the disk, it shows 3.46 GB as being used but, when I add up the size of the stuff in the 2 sub folders, I get about 1.07 MB. I am attaching 3 screen shots of what I'm seeing. My question is, when the disk reports to the recorder that 2/3 of it being used, does the recorder compress what I'm trying to record into the 1/3 that's free? If it's not clear what I'm asking please give me a chance to further explain.

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 06:50 PM

View PostJim B, on 19 March 2012 - 06:13 PM, said:

When finished with the recordings, I put the disk back in the recorder and had it erase it.

Jim,

How did you erase the disc? A properly erased DVD+RW disc should show as empty, with no files or folders showing, and 4.37GB free - like this

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RW discs go faulty eventually after a lot of use. They either lose data, or fail to respond properly to a write or erase operation.

It looks to me that your disc is in a fault condition. The things it is showing are wrong if it has been erased, and there's no telling what would be written on it if you tried to use it in that state.

From the Roxio Home menu app I would first go to Tools > Erase and erase the disc. A 'quick' erase should do at this stage.
Then I'd look at a different disc in that drive to flush the drive's cache and mostly rule out drive failure.
Then I'd check the DVD+RW disc again. If it still shows files and folders despite being erased I'd regard the disc as probably failed.
If a different DVD+RW is erased properly when you try it, I would say the original disc has definitely failed and I'd discard it.

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 05:29 AM

View PostBrendon, on 19 March 2012 - 06:50 PM, said:

Jim,

How did you erase the disc? A properly erased DVD+RW disc should show as empty, with no files or folders showing, and 4.37GB free - like this

Attachment props.jpg

RW discs go faulty eventually after a lot of use. They either lose data, or fail to respond properly to a write or erase operation.

It looks to me that your disc is in a fault condition. The things it is showing are wrong if it has been erased, and there's no telling what would be written on it if you tried to use it in that state.

From the Roxio Home menu app I would first go to Tools > Erase and erase the disc. A 'quick' erase should do at this stage.
Then I'd look at a different disc in that drive to flush the drive's cache and mostly rule out drive failure.
Then I'd check the DVD+RW disc again. If it still shows files and folders despite being erased I'd regard the disc as probably failed.
If a different DVD+RW is erased properly when you try it, I would say the original disc has definitely failed and I'd discard it.

Regards,
Brendon

I erased the disk using the drive on my computer and got the properties as shown in you screen shot. I put the disk in the recorder and the first thing it asked me to do was erase the disk which I did. after that the empty space screen showed on the TV screen as with a new disk. I put the disk back in my computer and the properties were the same as in my original post above. Must be the way the video recorder handles the format. BTW the file system on my disk is UDF after the recorder is done with it whereas, there is none shown on your screen shot. I'm going to see what Toshiba has to say about this.

Thanks, Jim

Edited by Jim B, 20 March 2012 - 06:02 AM.

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 05:38 AM

View PostJim B, on 20 March 2012 - 05:29 AM, said:

What you show in your screen shot is what I expected to see. I used the erase disk function of the video recorder. I've noticed I can't delete those remaining file using the drive in my computer.

Are you using a application in C2012 to erase the RW disc?

If so what application?
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Posted 20 March 2012 - 05:49 AM

??? if you right click (Windows Explorer) the disc, what does the File System show up as?

DVD+R w/Movie:
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DVD-RW w/Movie:

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:o  :lol:  :D cd pointed out that your first post did include a picture of that!

I would use Windows Explorer to Erase the disc:

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Do Not format the disc!!!

Edited by Jim_Hardin, 20 March 2012 - 09:39 AM.

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 10:58 AM

An erased disc shows no file system, because it has no file system.

If your disc looked like my screenshot after erasing in your computer, that is as it should be.

It seems that your Video Recorder is initializing the disc in its own manner prior to doing VR recording. It must be the way the video recorder handles recording. If that's the case [and it looks like it is] then discs "initialized" in the video recorder will make sense to the video recorder, but won't add up when viewed in the computer.

Toshiba should be able to reassure you on this. :)

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 12:28 PM

View Postcdanteek, on 20 March 2012 - 05:38 AM, said:

Are you using a application in C2012 to erase the RW disc?

If so what application?
No. Just right clicked on the drive and clicked on erase disk.
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Posted 20 March 2012 - 02:34 PM

View PostJim B, on 20 March 2012 - 12:28 PM, said:

No. Just right clicked on the drive and clicked on erase disk.

I would try it again and right click properties right after you erase it.

It should look like Brendon's pic 4.37 free..
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Posted 20 March 2012 - 03:12 PM

View Postcdanteek, on 20 March 2012 - 02:34 PM, said:

I would try it again and right click properties right after you erase it.

It should look like Brendon's pic 4.37 free..

If you will read my reply to Brendon's post showing that pic you'll see that's what I did, the subsequent results, and what happened after I put it back in the recorder.
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Posted 20 March 2012 - 03:53 PM

Yep, it's all copacetic, cd.

Jim B erased the disc in the computer, and then put it in his video recorder which went and initialized the disc for VR recording.

Then he looked at the initialized disc in the computer again, and saw the stuff the Video Recorder had put on it.

Everything is as it should be, Jim B.

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 04:45 PM

View PostBrendon, on 20 March 2012 - 03:53 PM, said:

Yep, it's all copacetic, cd.

Jim B erased the disc in the computer, and then put it in his video recorder which went and initialized the disc for VR recording.

Then he looked at the initialized disc in the computer again, and saw the stuff the Video Recorder had put on it.

Everything is as it should be, Jim B.

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