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[kwfletch@hotkey.net.au]

Some months ago I posted a message regarding my inability to use any of the LP &tape converter or Sound Editor functions of EMC8.  I have had plenty of suggestions both from people responding to my messages and (eventually) from Roxio support.  All has been to no avail - no matter what I do or how many frustrating hours I spend following the different sets of instructions I'm given, I am still unable to launch these programs.  I have just received an email from someone who has read one of my messages on this board, saying that he was using EMC8 on his computer with the on-board sound card and all was well until he replaced the card with an M-Audio sound card.  I also use an M-Audio sound card - so perhaps there is some kind of incompatibility problem between EMC8 and the M-Audio sound card.  This is a high quality sound card usually used by musicians for home recording, and I have experienced no problems using it with a wide range of other sound-related applications.
Any suggestions as to why EMC8 would not work with this particular sound card?

[sknis]

kwfletch@hotkey.net.au, on Aug 16 2006, 08:00 AM, said:

Some months ago I posted a message regarding my inability to use any of the LP &tape converter or Sound Editor functions of EMC8. I have had plenty of suggestions both from people responding to my messages and (eventually) from Roxio support. All has been to no avail - no matter what I do or how many frustrating hours I spend following the different sets of instructions I'm given, I am still unable to launch these programs. I have just received an email from someone who has read one of my messages on this board, saying that he was using EMC8 on his computer with the on-board sound card and all was well until he replaced the card with an M-Audio sound card. I also use an M-Audio sound card - so perhaps there is some kind of incompatibility problem between EMC8 and the M-Audio sound card. This is a high quality sound card usually used by musicians for home recording, and I have experienced no problems using it with a wide range of other sound-related applications.
Any suggestions as to why EMC8 would not work with this particular sound card?

I took a look at some of the cards and saw that they were all 24 bit.  I'm pretty sure that this program only works with 16 bit cards.  I can't find anywhere that it says that in writing; just in the system requirements.

[ggrussell]

You are correct Steve. EMC8 does not support 24 bit recording.

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Any suggestions as to why EMC8 would not work with this particular sound card?

EMC8 only support 8bit and 16bit sound cards.  If the MAudio does not have 8bit or 16bit mode, then EMC8 simply doesn't 'see' it.

[kwfletch@hotkey.net.au]

If that's the case, how come I am able to record using the "Audio Import" section of EMC8?  (Even though I can't then use Sound Editor to edit the recording?)  I suppose the other question is, why doesn't Roxio create an update which allows its product to be used with higher-end sound cards?
Oh well, thanks for the info.

[grandpabruce]

kwfletch@hotkey.net.au, on Aug 20 2006, 06:22 AM, said:

If that's the case, how come I am able to record using the "Audio Import" section of EMC8?  (Even though I can't then use Sound Editor to edit the recording?)  I suppose the other question is, why doesn't Roxio create an update which allows its product to be used with higher-end sound cards?
Oh well, thanks for the info.

Ask Roxio.  I would think that some day down the line, there will be a version that will work with the 24 bit cards.

[kwfletch@hotkey.net.au]

Oh, I've asked Roxio!  As usual, there is no response from their so-called "technical support".

[StanC]

sknis, on Aug 16 2006, 09:19 AM, said:

I took a look at some of the cards and saw that they were all 24 bit.  I'm pretty sure that this program only works with 16 bit cards.  I can't find anywhere that it says that in writing; just in the system requirements.

Actually, All the Audigy cards are 24 bit as well.  So that shouldn't be the problem.

Edit: For the sake of clarity, Audigy cards work fine with EMC 8.

Edited by StanC, 23 August 2006 - 01:38 PM.

[sknis]

StanC, on Aug 23 2006, 04:34 PM, said:

Actually, All the Audigy cards are 24 bit as well. So that shouldn't be the problem.

The Audigy cards can drop back and run run at 16 bits.  The question was could that M-Audio card drop back to run at 16 bits?  

The Audity web site information clearly states that but there is no similar information on the M-audio site. Do you have any other explanation?

[cdanteek]

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but there is no similar information on the M-audio site.

Some cards say up to  24-bit/192kHz audio, others just say 24-bit.
The OP never stated what M-Audio card he had!
Your correct no mention on M-Audio site when searched.

cdanteek

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Dynamic Range : 113 dB @ 48kHz (A-weighted)
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Frequency Response : +/-0.1dB, 20Hz to 20kHz @ 48kHz
Crosstalk : -130dB, 1kHz, channel-to-channel
Impedance (balanced) : 20k Ohms
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MAIN OUTPUTS - Max Output (balanced) : +14dBu (3.9 Vrms)
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Dynamic Range : 109dB @ 48kHz (A-weighted)
THD + N : 0.0023%, 1kHz, -1dBFS @ 48kHz
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[ggrussell]

StanC, on Aug 23 2006, 05:34 PM, said:

Actually, All the Audigy cards are 24 bit as well.  So that shouldn't be the problem

The SB Audigy cards also support 8bit and 16bit recording.   NOTHING within EMC8 supports 24bit recording.  Some of the M-Audio cards/USB/Firewire devices DO support 16bit recording.  The original poster just needs to determine if HIS card does or doesn't.

Edited by ggrussell, 23 August 2006 - 04:25 PM.

[cdanteek]

sknis, on Aug 23 2006, 04:44 PM, said:

The Audigy cards can drop back and run run at 16 bits.  The question was could that M-Audio card drop back to run at 16 bits?  

The Audity web site information clearly states that but there is no similar information on the M-audio site. Do you have any other explanation?

sknis

I took a file into my Creative XFi Extreme Music sound card and made a 24, 16, and 8 bit wav file.
EMC 7.5 sound editor opens the 16 and 8 bit, no problem.
The 24 bit I get the warning in the pic below. I have no idea what the protected WMA warning is
unless downloaded music is 24 bit. Roxio could be set up to protect it as copy protected music. I don't download any music and won't, even to check!

cdanteek

[StanC]

That is pretty weird.

I have emailed M-Audio four days back.  I asked them if the bit rate was scalable on their cards and if there was any way to configure it within the drivers.  So far though, I haven't received any response.