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[starrigger]

I just finished a long Videowave project, which I tried to "burn" to DVD format on my hard drive.  The project settings are "fit to DVD," and it's a 2hr 4min movie, so compression needs to be a hair beyond what I would ordinarily like.  

First I tried creating DVD folders.  That stalled twice, between audio normalization and video encoding.  So I disabled audio normalization and tried again.  This time, I apparently got a successful DVD folder creation.  The files play in PowerDVD, though are a little glitchy when I try to run in reverse.

Then I went to burn an actual disc.  I burned using Nero Express, which is what generally works best with my Samsung 16x burner.  (I don't have the Roxio copy software.)  Nero reported "DVD-Video files reallocation failed.  Resulting DVD might be unplayable, etc..."  I've gotten this error before when copying Roxio-made files, but the discs played okay, so I went ahead and burned.  The result was a disc that played--sort of, but with glitches.  My DVD player at one point gave up and reported that it was an unplayable disc.

I tried again, using the CopytoDVD SE utility, which I've used successfully many times, though it's slower.  That produced a slightly better-behaved disc, but it still glitched when I tried to back up during the video.  

Okay, I thought.  I'll try an ISO file.  So I burned the project to an ISO, and it reported successful completion.  Just one (BIG) problem: MyDVD8 created a file that's about 88MB larger than the room on a blank DVD.  Also, I don't know any way to test an ISO file on the computer, to see if it will play.  

At this point, I don't know what to think.  I'm going to try one more time to create DVD folders.  My last resort will be to export the whole thing as an AVI file and import it into Sonic DVD6, but I'd really rather not.  

Any advice?  (I was going to abandon this software after problems on my last project, but I thought I'd solved the problems and decided to give it one more try.) Thanks.

Jeff

Win XP home
Compaq Presario, Athlon 2.1 GHz
1 GB RAM
NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 video card
all drivers up to date
free HD space (on a video-dedicated HD) going fast, but still at 30GB
free HD space on main C drive, 36 GB

[ggrussell]

Which program did you purchase?  You mention Videowave , but then 'fit to disc' which is in MyDVD 8.  If you have myDVD, did you try burning directly to disc?

As for the project setting, My LiteOn standalone recorder uses 4.650MB bitrate and gets exactly 2hr and 4min.  Uncheck 'fit to disc'. Set the bitrate to that. Lower the audio to AC3 320Kb or 256Kb and that should give you just a hair more room.

[starrigger]

I bought the MyDVD8 Deluxe upgrade (I think it was Deluxe, not sure how to tell), which includes Videowave and MyDVD8 and not much else.  I'm importing the VW project directly into MyDVD8, as opposed to saving it first to an AVI movie.  

I have not tried burning directly to disc, as that would involve an 8-hr encoding session for a single burn.  (I'm going to be making at least 20 copies of this, if I ever get it to work right.)

A third encoding attempt, after reapplying the menu-encoding patch and tweaking a copy of minor things in the project, produced a disc (burned from folders on HD) that seemed a bit better--until I tried skipping from chapter to chapter.  Then problems appeared.  (I used a different brand of disc on this one, just in case.  I've also tried it in 2 different players.)  

The latest version on the HD plays fine in Power DVD, but again only until I start skipping around.  

I'll try your suggestion.  (Though my piece might be 2hr 4 min and some seconds; I'll have to doublecheck.)

Thanks.

Jeff

[starrigger]

I'm going to run the encoding again overnight, trying the suggestion above.  In the meantime, I wondered if anyone has a clue as to the significance of this error msg from Nero Express when it tries to copy my Roxio MyDVD folders to a blank DVD disc:

"DVD-Video files reallocation failed."

I realize this isn't a Nero support forum, but the problem seems to derive from the folders MyDVD8 builds.  (I do not get that error, for example, when copying from a Sonic MyDVD build.)  I just don't know what the msg refers to, and whether it's innocuous or critical -- and I'm hoping one of you might know.  (I searched the Nero site in vain.)

Jeff

[ggrussell]

Have never used Nero myself.  Maybe it's complaining about the Roxioplasma folder. It's not needed and can be deleted before burning. The only fodler needed is video_ts.  Someone else had a problem and some software they were using to burn a folder and it needed the audio_ts folder even though it is not used for video DVDs.  You can try that too.

[myguggi]

starrigger, on Aug 24 2006, 11:48 PM, said:

I'm going to run the encoding again overnight, trying the suggestion above. In the meantime, I wondered if anyone has a clue as to the significance of this error msg from Nero Express when it tries to copy my Roxio MyDVD folders to a blank DVD disc:

"DVD-Video files reallocation failed."

I realize this isn't a Nero support forum, but the problem seems to derive from the folders MyDVD8 builds. (I do not get that error, for example, when copying from a Sonic MyDVD build.) I just don't know what the msg refers to, and whether it's innocuous or critical -- and I'm hoping one of you might know. (I searched the Nero site in vain.)

Jeff

Do a google search on "DVD-Video files reallocation failed." and you will get about 21,900 hits. The problem is not generated by Roxio since it seems to happen to lots of Nero users

[starrigger]

myguggi, on Aug 24 2006, 08:06 PM, said:

Do a google search on "DVD-Video files reallocation failed." and you will get about 21,900 hits. The problem is not generated by Roxio since it seems to happen to lots of Nero users

Actually, I tried that last night, and mostly got unanswered questions.  Tried again tonight, and found more discussion--the gist of which seems to be that Nero is responding to problems in the DVD authoring.  No one mentioned Roxio, but they were mostly all talking about freeware authoring programs.  

I myself have gotten the error consistently when trying to burn folders created by Roxio, and folders created by copying DVDs to my hard drive with ripping software.  I do not get the error when burning folders from Sonic MyDVD or copying discs created by my standalone DVR/DVD writer.  

I wouldn't care so much about one particular copying utility, except -- a) it's the only one I have that really gets 16X out of my 16X burner, and does so quite reliably, and b) it may be flagging a problem in the Roxio build that could explain my unsatisfactory discs.  

Or my problem might be something else altogether.

Jeff

Oh--and no, adding an empty AUDIO_TS folder doesn't help, nor does removing the Roxioplasma folder.

Edited by starrigger, 24 August 2006 - 10:09 PM.

[ggrussell]

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No one mentioned Roxio, but they were mostly all talking about freeware authoring programs.

You need to contact Nero's tech support.  That many different software can't be creating video_ts folders incorrectly.

[cdanteek]

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I wondered if anyone has a clue as to the significance of this error msg from Nero Express when it tries to copy my Roxio MyDVD folders to a blank DVD disc:"DVD-Video files reallocation failed."Resulting DVD might be unplayable, etc. I myself have gotten the error consistently when trying to burn folders created by Roxio, and folders created by copying DVDs to my hard drive with ripping software.

The warning is what it is. Something in the video is not compliant to the DVD standard or has some protection. I own Nero 5,6,and 7.
I can burn DVD compliant folders made in Roxio in Nero and Nero DVD compliant folders in Roxio, with no problems.

Explain the last sentence above in more detail.

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I wouldn't care so much about one particular copying utility, except -- a) it's the only one I have that really gets 16X out of my 16X burner, and does so quite reliably

Care to name it?

I would forget about the 16x burn, what are you saving two minutes. The 16x speed combined with the media could be causing it's own play problems!


cdanteek

[starrigger]

cdanteek, on Aug 25 2006, 05:38 AM, said:

The warning is what it is. Something in the video is not compliant to the DVD standard or has some protection. I own Nero 5,6,and 7.
I can burn DVD compliant folders made in Roxio in Nero and Nero DVD compliant folders in Roxio, with no problems.

Explain the last sentence above in more detail.
Care to name it?

I would forget about the 16x burn, what are you saving two minutes. The 16x speed combined with the media could be causing it's own play problems!
cdanteek

I don't think the problem is Nero, for a couple of reasons:

1) I got the same problems with a disc burned using a different copy utility, at a slower speed, and a different brand of disc. (I did not get an error msg in this case, just a disc that had problems.)

2) Discussions I found about this error msg always led to one of two results--throwing up of hands and saying "burn anyway," or problem fixed by correcting something in the IFO files in the DVD folders.  That was the issue people using freeware and home-brewed neepery were having, that something was coming out wrong in their IFO files.  

So...cdanteek, you get folders from Roxio that are compliant and work with Nero?  I wonder why I don't.  

Regarding the speed of the burn, in fact the 16X saves me 10-15 minutes per burn, and it's been 100% reliable until it met Roxio.  I'm going to be making at least 50 copies of this and a related project, and the speed matters.  

The burner is a Samsung.  I don't have the model in my head, and I'm on another computer right now.  The copy utility I was talking about was Nero Express.  (The other, slower utility--also heretofore reliable--is CopytoDVD SE.)

Edited by starrigger, 25 August 2006 - 08:15 AM.

[starrigger]

ggrussell, on Aug 24 2006, 05:20 AM, said:

As for the project setting, My LiteOn standalone recorder uses 4.650MB bitrate and gets exactly 2hr and 4min.  Uncheck 'fit to disc'. Set the bitrate to that. Lower the audio to AC3 320Kb or 256Kb and that should give you just a hair more room.

Gary, I just checked on the progress of an overnight encoding using the settings you suggested.  It got to 72% and then crashed.  "Videowave has experienced a problem..."  etc.  

All right, enough.  I exported a full-length AVI movie from VW yesterday, so I'm going to start over with that.  

Jeff

[cdanteek]

starrigger, on Aug 25 2006, 11:12 AM, said:

I don't think the problem is Nero, for a couple of reasons:

1) I got the same problems with a disc burned using a different copy utility, at a slower speed, and a different brand of disc. (I did not get an error msg in this case, just a disc that had problems.)

2) Discussions I found about this error msg always led to one of two results--throwing up of hands and saying "burn anyway," or problem fixed by correcting something in the IFO files in the DVD folders.  That was the issue people using freeware and home-brewed neepery were having, that something was coming out wrong in their IFO files.  

So...cdanteek, you get folders from Roxio that are compliant and work with Nero?  I wonder why I don't.  

Regarding the speed of the burn, in fact the 16X saves me 10-15 minutes per burn, and it's been 100% reliable until it met Roxio.  I'm going to be making at least 50 copies of this and a related project, and the speed matters.  

The burner is a Samsung.  I don't have the model in my head, and I'm on another computer right now.  The copy utility I was talking about was Nero Express.  (The other, slower utility--also heretofore reliable--is CopytoDVD SE.)

#2 correcting somthing in the ifo files. Thats what Nero is telling you! If you ignore it you get what you have.

<So...cdanteek, you get folders from Roxio that are compliant and work with Nero?  I wonder why I don't.>

I don't think we are getting the whole story here. " correcting something in the ifo files" Sounds like copy protection!

<Regarding the speed of the burn, in fact the 16X saves me 10-15 minutes per burn> 4x takes 15 min for a full 4464mb single layer DVD, 8x takes 8 min for the same DVD, 16x takes 6 min for the same DVD. At 16x the burner won't reach 12x untill half the disc is burned.
So your 10 to 15 min saved is nonsense!  

cdanteek

[starrigger]

cdanteek, on Aug 25 2006, 10:38 AM, said:

#2 correcting somthing in the ifo files. Thats what Nero is telling you! If you ignore it you get what you have.

<So...cdanteek, you get folders from Roxio that are compliant and work with Nero?  I wonder why I don't.>

I don't think we are getting the whole story here. " correcting something in the ifo files" Sounds like copy protection!

<Regarding the speed of the burn, in fact the 16X saves me 10-15 minutes per burn> 4x takes 15 min for a full 4464mb single layer DVD, 8x takes 8 min for the same DVD, 16x takes 6 min for the same DVD. At 16x the burner won't reach 12x untill half the disc is burned.
So your 10 to 15 min saved is nonsense!  

cdanteek

Are you purposely being rude, dcanteek?  

"If you ignore it you get what you have..." is hardly helpful, since if I knew how to correct it, I wouldn't have posted the question in the first place.  

"Sounds like copy protection!"  -- Well, it may sound like it to you, but I'm trying to burn a project I've spent many hours creating from my camcorder tapes.  

"So your 10 to 15 min saved is nonsense!"  -- Excuse me, but are you standing with a timer over my burns?   No, I didn't think so.  At 4x, it was taking me 20-30 minutes per burn for a full disc, w/o verification. At 16X, it's taking me 6-14 minutes, depending on whether I choose to verify the burn.  

I appreciate the people who are trying to be helpful here.  Not so much when others are trying to prove how smart they are.

Jeff

[cdanteek]

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Are you purposely being rude, dcanteek?

No, Jeff

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"Sounds like copy protection!" -- Well, it may sound like it to you, but I'm trying to burn a project I've spent many hours creating from my camcorder tapes.

I have never had to

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"problem fixed by correcting something in the IFO files in the DVD folders.

in Roxio or Nero.

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Excuse me, but are you standing with a timer over my burns? No, I didn't think so.

Burn times are common knowledge and I stated the facts.

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depending on whether I choose to verify the burn.

I can help you here verify written data option is a joke in either software program. Did you verify the data on the disc's you have had trouble with?

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and folders created by copying DVDs to my hard drive with ripping software.

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"Sounds like copy protection!"Well, it may sound like it to you, but I'm trying to burn a project I've spent many hours creating from my camcorder tapes.

It does to me, and done here.

cdanteek

[starrigger]

cdanteek, on Aug 25 2006, 01:33 PM, said:

Burn times are common knowledge and I stated the facts.

No, you stated theory.  Facts are what is observable.  I've timed my burns and you haven't.  What is common knowledge is that burn times can differ for a variety of reasons.

Regarding copy protection, you have no knowledge of my project (which contains no copy-protected content).  You are apparently trying to look smart by distorting what I said in my original post and leaping to inaccurate and accusatory conclusions.  So you haven't had problems with Roxio and I have.  How fortunate for you.

Thank you for being done.  

To other readers: if you can shed any light on this question, I'd appreciate hearing from you.  But as things stand now, I'm probably going to shift the project over to other authoring software.

[starrigger]

I have solved the problem, though not with MyDVD8.  I took the AVI movie exported from Videowave and used it to create a DVD in Sonic MyDVD6.  Got a good, clean file folder creation in just 4 hours for the encoding.  No error msgs from Nero on the burn, and a disc that appears to play flawlessly.  (Burned at 16X.)

I still don't know why I can't get proper results from MyDVD8--maybe it's just something about my computer, or maybe it's the software--but I'm not going to keep throwing time at it.  The Sonic MyDVD is a little more limited in what it lets me do, but it's stable and reliable, and produces good video quality.  I'll probably keep trying Videowave for editing--still haven't decided if I like it better overall than Windows Moviemaker--but I'm giving up on MyDVD8 for the disc authoring.  

Thanks, Gary and others, for your efforts to help.  

Jeff

[ggrussell]

I'm not familiar with MyDVD 8 Premier, but sounds like there is no way to burn an ISO or video folder.  So Disc Copier is not included?  Rather odd that the created files can not be burned by Nero. Makes one wonder if Nero does it intentionally being a competitor.

I have EMC 8 Deluxe and use MyDVD 8 almost daily putting some 40 8mm tapes on DVD for my nephew.  Its really odd how a program can work so well for some and not for others.

[starrigger]

ggrussell, on Aug 26 2006, 05:47 AM, said:

I'm not familiar with MyDVD 8 Premier, but sounds like there is no way to burn an ISO or video folder.  So Disc Copier is not included?  Rather odd that the created files can not be burned by Nero. Makes one wonder if Nero does it intentionally being a competitor.

I have EMC 8 Deluxe and use MyDVD 8 almost daily putting some 40 8mm tapes on DVD for my nephew.  Its really odd how a program can work so well for some and not for others.

No, Disc Copier is not included in the package I bought.  (Which was billed as an upgrade to the Sonic MyDVD.)

It's very odd, Gary.  But I don't think the issue is Nero.  The playback glitches I got were present when I copied with a different utility, also--and to some degree when I played back directly from the Roxio folders in PowerDVD.  I think the problem is in the files Roxio created.  And I've had problems now with two different projects.  As for why, who knows?

I'm about to start a similar project to the one I just completed.  But this time I'm going straight from VW to AVI and then to MyDVD6.  It's an extra step and it uses a lot more HD space, but it works.  

Jeff

Edited by starrigger, 26 August 2006 - 11:59 AM.