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[glennwebster]

I recently created what I hoped would be the new master for a production. I used an ISO file and got a clean burn.
When I try to copy it using disc copy it tells me the the content is too large and wants to compress it. The file size is 3.7 GB and is indicated as such on the disc copy window.
I tried to copy it using another software (1 Click DVD) which has never failed to copy a DVD before and it tells me that there is a "bogus date" on the disk and won't copy it either.
The disc plays ok on my computer and on one of  the two players that I own. I took to several strores that sell DVD players and it failed on 8 players and worked on only one (A sony).
I burned three more and they all exhibit the same results.
I am using Verbatim media.
Any Ideas on what I can do to determine the problem?
Thanks,
glenn webster

[cdanteek]

Run the disc through a disc quality check. DVDInfoPro. Check the PI, PI error test two.

cdanteek

[glennwebster]

cdanteek, on Aug 28 2006, 01:37 PM, said:

Run the disc through a disc quality check. DVDInfoPro. Check the PI, PI error test two.

cdanteek

I had already done that before posting the question. I did a full surface check for  read errors (none) and the PI/PO check returned a confidence level of 96.7%.
Thanks for the suggestion. I'm not sure what to try next.
glenn

[cdanteek]

glenn,

Post the MID info like below from the media in DVDINFOPro. What x speed is the media on the packaging? What speed did you burn it at?
What is the ID string for the burner and firmware version?
What program was the ISO made in and it is a DVD Video?

This is a Verbatim 16x +R below.

DVDINFOPro MCC 004 in 716                         Media Information                            
Region information                                    N/A not a DVD-VIDEO
Media code/Manufacturer ID                                    MCC     004
Media Product Revision Number                                         00h
Format Capacity                                                Blank Disc
Free Blocks                                                     405405696
Free Capacity                                              4.38GB(4.70GB)
Book Type                                                           DVD+R
Media Type                                                          DVD+R
Manufacturer Rated Speed                                   16.0x 22160KBp
Available Write Descriptor                           CLV 16.0x  22160KBps
Available Write Descriptor                           CLV 12.0x  16620KBps
Available Write Descriptor                           CLV  8.0x  11080KBps
Available Write Descriptor                           CLV  6.0x   8310KBps
Available Write Descriptor                           CLV  4.0x   5540KBps
Data area starting sector                                          30000h
Linear Density                                                0.267um/bit
Track Density                                                0.74um/track
Number of Layers                                                        1
                                                                        
                           Complete Media Code                          
00000000 01 02 00 00 A1 0F 02 00 00 03 00 00 00 26 05 3F .............&.?
00000010 00 00 00 00 00 00 07 4D 43 43 00 00 00 00 00 30 .......MCC.....0
00000020 30 34 00 38 23 54 37 12 02 54 6C 02 92 5F 15 15 04.8#T7..Tl.._..
00000030 0B 0B 08 08 01 19 1B 0C 0C 0C 0D 01 00 00 00 00 ..............

cdanteek

[ml]

glennwebster, on Aug 28 2006, 03:34 PM, said:

I recently created what I hoped would be the new master for a production. I used an ISO file and got a clean burn.
When I try to copy it using disc copy it tells me the the content is too large and wants to compress it.

This is probably a dumb question, but........ why don't you just use the .iso file and Disk Copier to make mulitple copies?     That's the easy way and one of the reasons for making an .iso file.

It's possible that you just got a bad burn.  You could try slowing down the burn rate and see if that helps for multiple copies.

[golinux]

mlpasley, on Aug 31 2006, 08:43 AM, said:

This is probably a dumb question, but........ why don't you just use the .iso file and Disk Copier to make mulitple copies?     That's the easy way and one of the reasons for making an .iso file.

I agree.  Make the ISO, keep it in a safe place and use that as the master rather than the disk itself.

[cdanteek]

mlpasley, on Aug 31 2006, 08:43 AM, said:

This is probably a dumb question, but........ why don't you just use the .iso file and Disk Copier to make mulitple copies?     That's the easy way and one of the reasons for making an .iso file.

It's possible that you just got a bad burn.  You could try slowing down the burn rate and see if that helps for multiple copies.

That would of been my suggestion ML & sisterscape.

After reading his last post, (I had already done that before posting the question. I did a full surface check for read errors (none) and the PI/PO check returned a confidence level of 96.7%.
Thanks for the suggestion. I'm not sure what to try next.
glenn

And, ( The disc plays ok on my computer and on one of the two players that I own. I took to several strores that sell DVD players and it failed on 8 players and worked on only one (A sony).

There seems to be another problem, that is why I asked the questions above. Re-burning the same ISO to the same media, I would think would yield the same results.  

cdanteek

[ml]

cdanteek, on Aug 31 2006, 10:23 AM, said:

There seems to be another problem, that is why I asked the questions above. Re-burning the same ISO to the same media, I would think would yield the same results.
cdanteek

You'll get no argument from me..... The poster probably needs to check the website of the DVD burner manufacturer and see what type/ brand of DVD is recommended to use in that burner.

I just couldn't figure out why he was trying to copy the DVD itself rather than burning more copies with the .iso file.

[glennwebster]

[quote name='cdanteek' post='48220' date='Aug 31 2006, 05:47 AM'] glenn,


[size=3]I am replying here and hoping that everyone who responded will see it .
I am, as always, grateful and pleasantly surprised at the generosity of all people on this forum. Thank You.

I tried to copy the disk in the hope that I would get an indication of what might be wrong[/size]. [size=3]Disc copy  told me it was too large and should be compressed.  File size was less than 4 GB.
1Click DVD said file size was OK but it contained a Bogus Date and couldn't be copied. No help there either.

  I tried burning it three times because in a former life I was an engineer and that's what engineers do. Repeat things over and over, each time hoping fo a different result.
I can't give you the information that you asked for (above). The last time I saw the disc was as I frisbeed it off the trail on my morning hike today.
The problem is resloved but, I guess not solved. I reinstalled EMC 7.5 and burned a  new disc froom the ISO file.  Didn't get quite the good results on  the PI/PO check (66%) but it works fine on the five DVD players I have tried it on.
Wahoo
glenn

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oops

Edited by grandpabruce, 05 September 2006 - 09:47 AM.

[cdanteek]

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I frisbeed it off the trail on my morning hike today.
The problem is resloved but, I guess not solved. I reinstalled EMC 7.5 and burned a new disc froom the ISO file. Didn't get quit the good results on the PI/PO check (66%) but it works fine on the five DVD players I have tried it on.
Wahoo  
glenn

First Glenn you shouldn't litter.

I think your DVD media is questionable, What is the MID in DVDInfoPro on the media your using?

cdanteek

[golinux]

cdanteek, on Sep 1 2006, 04:22 PM, said:

First Glenn you shouldn't litter.

cdanteek

You beat me too it.  I kinda freaked out when I read what he did with the disk.  No wonder the world is in the state it's in . . .

Edited by sisterscape, 01 September 2006 - 01:27 PM.

[cdanteek]

Quote

You beat me too it. I kinda freaked out when I read what he did with the disk.

How long will that be out there sisterscape, before it decomposes?

cdanteek

[golinux]

cdanteek, on Sep 1 2006, 04:33 PM, said:

How long will that be out there sisterscape, before it decomposes?

cdanteek

Longer than I'll be breathing.     This world is such a sad place . . .

[glennwebster]

cdanteek, on Sep 1 2006, 02:22 PM, said:

First Glenn you shouldn't litter.

I think your DVD media is questionable, What is the MID in DVDInfoPro on the media your using?

cdanteek

Hi,
My apologies to those whom I offended with my disposal of the disc.
This morning I stopped on the way to the trailhead and scraped up a long dead cat from the road and took it with me . When I got to where I thought I had I frisbeed the disc, I frisbeed the flattened cat  (used to call these "sail cats" when I was a kid") and watched carefully where it went. Went down and looked all over - but no disc. I did drag a rusty bicycle frame back up to my truck and will take it to the landfill Tuesday morning. I hope that, on balance, my removing the bike and rescuing the cat from continued runovers will even out my Karma and earn my forgiveness.

I'm not sure if the following data is what you asked for. It's an earlier version of the DVD file in question.

Burner: Lite-On LDW-851S - Burned at 4X
FW Rev.  GSOC
Media:  Verbatim 16X

                               Media Information                            

   Disc Regions are                                          1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8

   Media code/Manufacturer ID                                   MCC 03RG20  

   UDF Format Type                                                     V1.02

   UDF Volume Name                                                DVDBUILDER

   UDF Application id                                                   None

   UDF Implementation id                                      Roxio , Canada

   UDF Recording Date/Time (mm/dd/yyyy)                   8/ 7/2006 12:34:34

   Format Capacity                                            3.25GB(3.49GB)

   Book Type                                                           DVD-R

   Media Type                                                          DVD-R

   Manufacturer Rated Speed                                  16.0x 22160KBps

   Available Write Descriptor                           CLV  2.0x   2770KBps

   Write Strategy Speed                                        4.0x 5540KBps

   2x Speed OPC beta                                                      09

   2x Speed OPC power                                                     0B

   2x Write Strategy field 1                                     14 87 78 90

   2x Write Strategy field 2                               88 80 00 00 00 00

   4x Speed OPC beta                                                      08

   4x Speed OPC power                                                     13

   4x Write Strategy field 1                                     0D 11 0C 08

   4x Write Strategy field 2                                     95 07 0E 0B

   4x Write Strategy field 3                                     A0 00 20 00

   4x Speed OPC beta multi-pulse                                          06

   4x Speed OPC power multi-pulse                                         1A

   4x Write Strategy field 4                                     17 86 67 85

   4x Write Strategy field 5                               99 AB 3A 83 20 32

   4x Write Strategy field 6                                  00 00 D0 00 00

   Data area starting sector                                          30000h

   Data area end sector                                              1A052Fh

   Linear Density                                                0.267um/bit

   Track Density                                                0.74um/track

   Number of Layers                                                        1

                                                                            

                              Complete Media Code                          

   00000000 00 6C 00 00 01 40 C1 FD 9E D8 52 00 02 85 0D 0E .l...@....R.....

   00000010 88 9A 80 00 03 4D 43 43 20 30 33 00 04 52 47 32 .....MCC 03..RG2

   00000020 30 20 20 00 05 88 80 00 00 00 02 00 06 09 0B 14 0  .............



Thanks again for your advice and help.


glenn

[ml]

glennwebster, on Sep 3 2006, 05:12 PM, said:

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This morning I stopped on the way to the trailhead and scraped up a long dead cat from the road and took it with me . When I got to where I thought I had I frisbeed the disc, I frisbeed the flattened cat (used to call these "sail cats" when I was a kid") and watched carefully where it went. Went down and looked all over - but no disc. I did drag a rusty bicycle frame back up to my truck and will take it to the landfill Tuesday morning. I hope that, on balance, my removing the bike and rescuing the cat from continued runovers will even out my Karma and earn my forgiveness.

   Now that's funny.  

I think the rusty bicyle frame more than makes up for the disk.  

Some critter probably picked up the pretty shiny object and added it to it's collection of man-made memoriabilia.  

Either that or someone is trying to figure out how to make it play on their DVD player.

[cdanteek]

Quote

Karma and earn my forgiveness.

I'm not sure if the following data is what you asked for

The bike should go to the iron pile and I thank you.

Your firmware seems out of date when I checked the Lite-On site. Yours Burner: Lite-On LDW-851S -   FW Rev. GSOC.
I saw a GSOP, follow there updating instructions!
http://forum.rpc1.or...p;manufactor=17

Your Verbatim MCC 03RG20 16X -R media don't look right!
It only shows a Available Write Descriptor CLV 2.0x 2770KBps
mine show this below, look at my (Available Write Descriptor's) Same disc!    
Update the firmware and see if a blank disc in DVDINFPro shows the same. You could try a 2x burn. I think the disc's are junk. Get some new disc's and do a check in DVDInfoPro and see if they look more like my info before you burn one.

Roxio DVDInfoPro
Media Information                            
Region information                                    N/A not a DVD-VIDEO
Media code/Manufacturer ID                                   MCC 03RG20  
Format Capacity                                                Blank Disc
Free Blocks                                                     411107328
Free Capacity                                              4.38GB(4.71GB)
Book Type                                                           DVD-R
Media Type                                                          DVD-R
Manufacturer Rated Speed                                          Unknown
Available Write Descriptor                           CLV 16.0x  22160KBps
Available Write Descriptor                           CLV 12.0x  16620KBps
Available Write Descriptor                           CLV  8.0x  11080KBps
Available Write Descriptor                           CLV  6.0x   8310KBps
Available Write Descriptor                           CLV  4.0x   5540KBps
Write Strategy Speed                                        4.0x 5540KBps
2x Speed OPC beta                                                      09
2x Speed OPC power                                                     0B
2x Write Strategy field 1                                     14 87 78 90
2x Write Strategy field 2                               88 80 00 00 00 00
4x Speed OPC beta                                                      08
4x Speed OPC power                                                     13
4x Write Strategy field 1                                     0D 11 0C 08
4x Write Strategy field 2                                     95 07 0E 0B
4x Write Strategy field 3                                     A0 00 20 00
4x Speed OPC beta multi-pulse                                          06
4x Speed OPC power multi-pulse                                         1A
4x Write Strategy field 4                                     17 86 67 85
4x Write Strategy field 5                               99 AB 3A 83 20 32
4x Write Strategy field 6                                  00 00 D0 00 00
Data area starting sector                                          30000h
Linear Density                                                0.267um/bit
Track Density                                                0.74um/track
Number of Layers                                                        1
                                                                        
                           Complete Media Code                          
00000000 00 6C 00 00 01 40 C1 FD 9E D8 52 00 02 85 0D 0E .l...@....R.....
00000010 88 9A 80 00 03 4D 43 43 20 30 33 00 04 52 47 32 .....MCC 03..RG2
00000020 30 20 20 00 05 88 80 00 00 00 02 00 06 09 0B 14 0  .............

cdanteek

Edited by cdanteek, 03 September 2006 - 04:22 PM.

[golinux]

glennwebster, on Sep 3 2006, 05:12 PM, said:

Hi,
My apologies to those whom I offended with my disposal of the disc.
This morning I stopped on the way to the trailhead and scraped up a long dead cat from the road and took it with me . When I got to where I thought I had I frisbeed the disc, I frisbeed the flattened cat  (used to call these "sail cats" when I was a kid") and watched carefully where it went. Went down and looked all over - but no disc. I did drag a rusty bicycle frame back up to my truck and will take it to the landfill Tuesday morning. I hope that, on balance, my removing the bike and rescuing the cat from continued runovers will even out my Karma and earn my forgiveness.

That story is pretty funny!  However, it's not so much about offense and forgiveness as it is about learning to act with conscience and respect when interacting with the natural world we all share.  Please, think twice next time you have a similar impusle . . .  Enough lecturing!  I really do appreciate your attempt to rectify the situation.

Edited by sisterscape, 04 September 2006 - 05:57 AM.

[glennwebster]

cdanteek, on Sep 3 2006, 04:49 PM, said:

The bike should go to the iron pile and I thank you.

Your firmware seems out of date when I checked the Lite-On site. Yours Burner: Lite-On LDW-851S -   FW Rev. GSOC.
I saw a GSOP, follow there updating instructions!
http://forum.rpc1.or...p;manufactor=17

Your Verbatim MCC 03RG20 16X -R media don't look right!
It only shows a Available Write Descriptor CLV 2.0x 2770KBps
mine show this below, look at my (Available Write Descriptor's) Same disc!    
Update the firmware and see if a blank disc in DVDINFPro shows the same. You could try a 2x burn. I think the disc's are junk. Get some new disc's and do a check in DVDInfoPro and see if they look more like my info before you burn one.

Roxio DVDInfoPro
Media Information                            
Region information                                    N/A not a DVD-VIDEO
Media code/Manufacturer ID                                   MCC 03RG20  
Format Capacity                                                Blank Disc
Free Blocks                                                     411107328
Free Capacity                                              4.38GB(4.71GB)
Book Type                                                           DVD-R
Media Type                                                          DVD-R
Manufacturer Rated Speed                                          Unknown
Available Write Descriptor                           CLV 16.0x  22160KBps
Available Write Descriptor                           CLV 12.0x  16620KBps
Available Write Descriptor                           CLV  8.0x  11080KBps
Available Write Descriptor                           CLV  6.0x   8310KBps
Available Write Descriptor                           CLV  4.0x   5540KBps
Write Strategy Speed                                        4.0x 5540KBps
2x Speed OPC beta                                                      09
2x Speed OPC power                                                     0B
2x Write Strategy field 1                                     14 87 78 90
2x Write Strategy field 2                               88 80 00 00 00 00
4x Speed OPC beta                                                      08
4x Speed OPC power                                                     13
4x Write Strategy field 1                                     0D 11 0C 08
4x Write Strategy field 2                                     95 07 0E 0B
4x Write Strategy field 3                                     A0 00 20 00
4x Speed OPC beta multi-pulse                                          06
4x Speed OPC power multi-pulse                                         1A
4x Write Strategy field 4                                     17 86 67 85
4x Write Strategy field 5                               99 AB 3A 83 20 32
4x Write Strategy field 6                                  00 00 D0 00 00
Data area starting sector                                          30000h
Linear Density                                                0.267um/bit
Track Density                                                0.74um/track
Number of Layers                                                        1
                                                                        
                           Complete Media Code                          
00000000 00 6C 00 00 01 40 C1 FD 9E D8 52 00 02 85 0D 0E .l...@....R.....
00000010 88 9A 80 00 03 4D 43 43 20 30 33 00 04 52 47 32 .....MCC 03..RG2
00000020 30 20 20 00 05 88 80 00 00 00 02 00 06 09 0B 14 0  .............

cdanteek

Good Morning,
Updated the firmware and the results look like the sample you posted . Format of printed page is slightly different but info looks the same.

                               Media Information                            

   Region information                                    N/A not a DVD-VIDEO

   Media code/Manufacturer ID                                   MCC 03RG20  

   Format Capacity                                                Blank Disc

   Free Blocks                                                     411107328

   Free Capacity                                              4.38GB(4.71GB)

   Book Type                                                           DVD-R

   Media Type                                                          DVD-R

   Manufacturer Rated Speed                                  16.0x 22160KBps

   Available Write Descriptor                           CLV  4.0x   5540KBps

   Available Write Descriptor                           CLV  2.0x   2770KBps

   Available Write Descriptor                           CLV  1.0x   1385KBps

   Write Strategy Speed                                        4.0x 5540KBps

   2x Speed OPC beta                                                      09

   2x Speed OPC power                                                     0B

   2x Write Strategy field 1                                     14 87 78 90

   2x Write Strategy field 2                               88 80 00 00 00 00

   4x Speed OPC beta                                                      08

   4x Speed OPC power                                                     13

   4x Write Strategy field 1                                     0D 11 0C 08

   4x Write Strategy field 2                                     95 07 0E 0B

   4x Write Strategy field 3                                     A0 00 20 00

   4x Speed OPC beta multi-pulse                                          06

   4x Speed OPC power multi-pulse                                         1A

   4x Write Strategy field 4                                     17 86 67 85

   4x Write Strategy field 5                               99 AB 3A 83 20 32

   4x Write Strategy field 6                                  00 00 D0 00 00

   Data area starting sector                                          30000h

   Linear Density                                                0.267um/bit

   Track Density                                                0.74um/track

   Number of Layers                                                        1

                                                                            

                              Complete Media Code                          

   00000000 00 6C 00 00 01 40 C1 FD 9E D8 52 00 02 85 0D 0E .l...@....R.....

   00000010 88 9A 80 00 03 4D 43 43 20 30 33 00 04 52 47 32 .....MCC 03..RG2

   00000020 30 20 20 00 05 88 80 00 00 00 02 00 06 09 0B 14 0  .............


  


   I will burn another and check the results.
Many thanks,
glenn

sisterscape, on Sep 4 2006, 06:53 AM, said:

That story is pretty funny! However, it's not so much about offense and forgiveness as it is about learning to act with conscience and respect when interacting with the natural world we all share. Please, think twice next time you have a similar impusle . . . Enough lecturing! I really do appreciate your attempt to rectify the situation.

I will

[cdanteek]

Quote

Available Write Descriptor CLV 4.0x 5540KBps

Available Write Descriptor CLV 2.0x 2770KBps

Available Write Descriptor CLV 1.0x 1385KBps

Glenn,
The Available Write Descriptors, still don't look right for the 16X -R Verbatim disc. Borrow a couple of 16X disc's if you can and they should show more Available Write Descriptors like my disc did!

cdanteek

[grandpabruce]

glennwebster, on Sep 5 2006, 12:22 PM, said:

Good Morning,
Updated the firmware and the results look like the sample you posted . Format of printed page is slightly different but info looks the same.

  


   I will burn another and check the results.
Many thanks,
glenn


I will

I am just thankful that you did not hit a "tree hugger" when you fisbeed that disc.   

BTW, I am still an engineer. (Civl)