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[photomark]

Hello,
  I am trying to find out the finer points of EMC8 vs EMC9...  

Will 9 allow me to import emc 7-9 templates for the dvd builder.  I usually make my own through modification of standard templates?...

How many templates does emc9 include?
What are the real up grades.


How long before the next upgrade like emc8 vs emc8 deluxe..

I am disappointed that Roxio is making a major revision on the EMC line in less than a year-- and I don't feel that they have all of the bugs out of emc8. but that is another topic...

I like the products, but I feel that the production cycle is too short, and am miffed that all of the bugs are not out of emc8....

mark

[Larry]

photomark, on Sep 7 2006, 10:35 AM, said:

Hello,
I am trying to find out the finer points of EMC8 vs EMC9...

Will 9 allow me to import emc 7-9 templates for the dvd builder. I usually make my own through modification of standard templates?...

How many templates does emc9 include?
What are the real up grades.


How long before the next upgrade like emc8 vs emc8 deluxe..

I am disappointed that Roxio is making a major revision on the EMC line in less than a year-- and I don't feel that they have all of the bugs out of emc8. but that is another topic...

I like the products, but I feel that the production cycle is too short, and am miffed that all of the bugs are not out of emc8....

mark

Since your questions seem to be mainly in the Video/DVD area, IMHO there is no comparison, EMC 9 is much better than EMC 8. If one was trying to decide between getting 8 or 9, I think it's a no-brainer, 9 is it.

That said, I haven't seen any way to import DVD templates from 7. MyDVD in 9 (as it was in 8) is a different animal than it was in 7.

I don't know the exact number of MyDVD template themes in 9, but it is a lot. With the content disc installed, it looked to me like all of the ones from 8 were included, with an additional 10 - 12 or so.

MyDVD in 9 has quite a few enhancements to it, especially in the area of design and navigational control, with nothing disabled, all options available. MyDVD 8 (any version) pales in comparison IMHO. VideoWave also has had enhancements added to it, which make it much better than in 8.

I don't have any inside info (other than the guesses in my head ), but I don't see what they could offer in a "deluxe" version to enhance the software in any way, unless it was thru added content or additional applications they might add to the suite. I suppose they might come up with a "deluxe" version thast comes with some kind of hardware like they did with 8 deluxe w/dazzle device.

[malatekid]

Larry, on Sep 7 2006, 12:24 PM, said:

Since your questions seem to be mainly in the Video/DVD area, IMHO there is no comparison, EMC 9 is much better than EMC 8. If one was trying to decide between getting 8 or 9, I think it's a no-brainer, 9 is it.

That said, I haven't seen any way to import DVD templates from 7. MyDVD in 9 (as it was in 8) is a different animal than it was in 7.

I don't know the exact number of MyDVD template themes in 9, but it is a lot. With the content disc installed, it looked to me like all of the ones from 8 were included, with an additional 10 - 12 or so.

MyDVD in 9 has quite a few enhancements to it, especially in the area of design and navigational control, with nothing disabled, all options available. MyDVD 8 (any version) pales in comparison IMHO. VideoWave also has had enhancements added to it, which make it much better than in 8.

I don't have any inside info (other than the guesses in my head ), but I don't see what they could offer in a "deluxe" version to enhance the software in any way, unless it was thru added content or additional applications they might add to the suite. I suppose they might come up with a "deluxe" version thast comes with some kind of hardware like they did with 8 deluxe w/dazzle device.

So far I'm happy with EMC9 -- no crashes or issues todate.

[photomark]

Let me clearify.  I have been buying EMC since build 6.  I have 7, 7.5 and 8 deluxe with video capture.  I was happy that I held off on buying 8 until the deluxe version came out, but also a little perturbed that there was such a difference in the software.  I also had just purchased 7.5 about a year before, and 7 a year before that...

I had no problems with EMC 6-7.5,

but 8 was a different beast...

From what I have read, most of my problems with EMC 8.0 were Micro$oft related, BUT that does not change the fact that it took me quite a lot of time to make emc8 do what emc7.5 did.  When emc8 worked, it was great!, but there it was sluggish, and there were a few issues that were never fully resolved.  

My emc8 DvD that i made was much more professional looking, but had several problems in menu navigation that were definately roxio and not M$ issues.

As I said, I LIKE Roxio, I am just burned from emc8, and their producion cycle is just too quick now.

BUt enough complaining...


If I have a production in emc8, can it be directly ported over to emc9--Do you think that my emc8 projects will work in emc9? or will I have to rework them (I expect that I would need to rework the production)

best
mark

Edited by photomark, 07 September 2006 - 09:19 AM.

[Larry]

MyDVD projects would likely have to be re-worked is my guess. I haven't been able to get the 8 ones to open in 9. Most Videowave projects seem to be able to be opened however in VW 9.

[malatekid]

Larry, on Sep 7 2006, 01:20 PM, said:

Most Videowave projects seem to be able to be opened however in VW 9.

I was able to open EMC7.5 Videowave project in EMC9 without a problem.

[ggrussell]

As for MyDVD styles... there are 32.  Also there is no 'greyed' out features.  EMC9 has ALL the features of EMC8 Deluxe.  Some features are easier to use.  Also Media Import now works better with analog devices.

[malatekid]

ggrussell, on Sep 7 2006, 07:26 PM, said:

As for MyDVD styles... there are 32. Also there is no 'greyed' out features. EMC9 has ALL the features of EMC8 Deluxe. Some features are easier to use. Also Media Import now works better with analog devices.

And the new feature of trimming video sections in Timeline mode of Videowave is really great and time saver with the use of markers. You just mark all unwanted sections of the video, and with just a press of an icon, all those sections are deleted in the project.

I understand from another thread that this "marker" feature is the way to easily remove commercials from set-top DVD recorder discs.

Jess

Edited by malatekid, 07 September 2006 - 05:52 PM.

[photomark]

Ok, but how about stability? ease of installation and the like?

   It took me quite awhile to upgrade properly from emc7.5 to emc8.  Even after I upgraded and the software functionally worked, some minor points would not work.  ---I would get these annoying installation notices --Where I have to close the window down about 10 times and then the software would work, if I tried to fix the installation at that pont with the emc8Deluxe discs, the software would error out as it could not find the file.  I finally have EMC8 working without error, but it was painful.  It is possible that I had some conflicts with other software on the system like diskkeeper, but who knows?


Without the forums and people like yourselves, I would have ditched the software and reverted back to 7.5.   Now I see the power of 8 it works very well, but I still have minor problems with the software.

Should I have problems with emc 9 with the following "older"system:

Athelon 3200+
1 gig DDR 400 memory
Windows XP Pro

Thanks
Mark

[Beerman]

photomark, on Sep 8 2006, 09:13 AM, said:

Ok, but how about stability? ease of installation and the like?

   It took me quite awhile to upgrade properly from emc7.5 to emc8.  Even after I upgraded and the software functionally worked, some minor points would not work.  ---I would get these annoying installation notices --Where I have to close the window down about 10 times and then the software would work, if I tried to fix the installation at that pont with the emc8Deluxe discs, the software would error out as it could not find the file.  I finally have EMC8 working without error, but it was painful.  It is possible that I had some conflicts with other software on the system like diskkeeper, but who knows?
Without the forums and people like yourselves, I would have ditched the software and reverted back to 7.5.   Now I see the power of 8 it works very well, but I still have minor problems with the software.

Should I have problems with emc 9 with the following "older"system:

Athelon 3200+
1 gig DDR 400 memory
Windows XP Pro

Thanks
Mark

I use Diskeeper and haven't noticed any problems when using the 'Set it and Forget it' setting with either v8 or 9.  Sometimes it defrags when I'm busy so I have to delay it but it's never caused a conflict.
9 should work fine on your system depending on your video card.  If you have a fast and relatively new video card, you will be able to take advantage of more of what 9 offers. If 8 works on your system, 9 should as well.
What are the problems you are having with 8?

[lehill]

photomark, on Sep 7 2006, 10:15 AM, said:

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If I have a production in emc8, can it be directly ported over to emc9--Do you think that my emc8 projects will work in emc9? or will I have to rework them (I expect that I would need to rework the production)

As I type I have opened a slideshow production originally created & burned in MyDVD8 and am now re-rendering it with MyDVD9. No hassles, the production opened right up. This production was created using the "Add Slideshow" feature in MyDVD8, so maybe that why it opened easily.

I hope to be able to compare video quality between 8 & 9. I always thought EMC8 video looked like it had a blur overlay applied when compared to EMC7/7.5.

Lance
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[lynn98109]

About the product cycles:

The last Version by the company called Roxio was EMC 7.  Just before then they had bought the name and the software for Napster.  (This is probably relevant to the Napster hassle in EMC 7.)  They then sold the name and software for Roxio to a different company - Sonic - and renamed themselves Napster.

Sonic, after buying the Roxio name and softwre, combined EMC 7 with Sonic programs to come up with EMC 7.5.  After that, it's Sonic, following the shorter release cycles of Sonic.

There are some good features in EMC 9, but if it ain't broke, consider if you need to fix it.  I would suspect they are talking about 10 by now.

Lynn

Edited by lynn98109, 09 September 2006 - 03:29 PM.

[cdanteek]

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There are some good features in EMC 9,

In your experience with that suite of programs, on your beloved w98 or the xp system you detest! What would those "good features in EMC 9"
be? My inquiring mind would like to know?

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I would suspect they are talking about 10 by now.

You obviously understand economics and the cash cow, many who have the urge to update don't!

cdanteek

[cdanteek]

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IMHO there is no comparison, EMC 9 is much better than EMC 8. If one was trying to decide between getting 8 or 9, I think it's a no-brainer, 9 is it.

I go back along way here! 5 Platinum was better than 4.5, 6 was better than 5 Platinum, 7.0 was better than 6  (unless you talk to James) 7.5 was better than 7.0. 8.0 suite was better than 7.5, 8.05 Deluxe had all the features enabled and better than 8.0 suite," IMO now 9 is a no brainier!" I'm sure 10 will be a marvelous suite and another no-brainier!

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EMC 9 is much better than EMC 8.

Heard that before?


cdanteek

[sknis]

cdanteek, on Sep 10 2006, 12:38 AM, said:

I go back along way here! 5 Platinum was better than 4.5, 6 was better than 5 Platinum, 7.0 was better than 6 (unless you talk to James) 7.5 was better than 7.0. 8.0 suite was better than 7.5, 8.05 Deluxe had all the features enabled and better than 8.0 suite," IMO now 9 is a no brainier!" I'm sure 10 will be a marvelous suite and another no-brainier!
Heard that before?
cdanteek

cd, I'm not sure what you are trying to say or did you just have a bad day?

You are correct in that if you have a program that works well and you don't want/need any new features, there is no need to update. I never updated to Photoshop 4 from 2 (missed those improvements) or from System Mechanic 6 from 4 and other examples. I think there are people who update because they have a need for the latest-and-greatest or because they think a new update will fix old problems. That is usually a quick decision and not necessarily the best one.
I like to think that most people are intelligent and can make the "best" decision for themselves.
Looks like the OP is trying to get all the information before he/she makes the decision; I applaud that. BTW, which version did you succumb to?

Edited by sknis, 10 September 2006 - 04:03 AM.

[cdanteek]

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cd, I'm not sure what you are trying to say or did you just have a bad day?

Sorry I will try to state it more clearly.

Bad day no! The cult like Ann Coulter drum beating, gets a bit old.

Like you say "I like to think that most people are intelligent and can make the "best" decision for themselves"

A Google search for the same might yield a unbiased view, if that was what intelligent people were looking for.

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BTW, which version did you succumb to?

Consent reluctantly, yield, give in, knuckle under, buckle under, be fatally overwhelmed, and survive.

All of them, when there available at the price there worth.

cdanteek

[d_deweywright]

cdanteek, on Sep 11 2006, 12:09 AM, said:

Sorry I will try to state it more clearly.

Bad day no! The cult like Ann Coulter drum beating, gets a bit old.

Like you say "I like to think that most people are intelligent and can make the "best" decision for themselves"

A Google search for the same might yield a unbiased view, if that was what intelligent people were looking for.
Consent reluctantly, yield, give in, knuckle under, buckle under, be fatally overwhelmed, and survive.

All of them, when there they're available at the price there they're worth.

cdanteek

Okay... I don't think you got any clearer there.  

I get the impression that you don't like to hear people say that they like the newer product better than the previous version.  But if they do, that is what the original poster asked about.  

You say you've had previous versions back to 4.05, and indicated that you've preferred each subsequent version.  Or were you being facetious?  If so, respond to the original poster.  Everyone else has simply stated their opinion on what versions they've liked.  At this point, I haven't had enough time to play with some of the features of 9 to compare it to 8.  For simply writing a Data or Audio CD, I still like ECDC 5 for it's simplicity, though I wander back and forth between 5 and 8 for that now.

For DVD/Video work, I haven't had enough time to really evaluate EMC 9, and I could use a bit beefier video card to help out there.

For Audio Editing, the new Sound Editor that first appeared in 7.5 is much better than what was available with ECDC 5 (I never installed 6).  And it's still good in EMC 9.

[St3wp1d]

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For Audio Editing, the new Sound Editor that first appeared in 7.5 is much better than what was available with ECDC 5 (I never installed 6).  And it's still good in EMC 9.

If you can get it to work (version 9 that is)........... After four days of trying and getting no help from support I went back to version 8 even with the problems with fades and clipping (why - because it has all my dmsa files in it which I need) At this point I'm looking for software that just does Audio - These "600  pound gorilla softwares" - where one program does it all! never seem to live up to the hype and unfortunately (IMHO) ROXIO is now going down that road with the brakes off.

Edited by St3wp1d, 17 September 2006 - 10:15 PM.

[jimtnc]

St3wp1d - when you find that audio app that works like v.5 and produces nice playlists, etc,  let me know. I'm not into DVD work yet, but bought ver8 for the near-future useablility. Maybe not a good decision as was mentioned above.

Edited by jimtnc, 20 September 2006 - 08:30 AM.