The information helps. I'll now have to do some research into my dvd home recorder to find out it has a video mode, I'm assuming with the problems I'm having it is by default doing it in VR mode and it may not have a video mode. I did purchase toast last night, I copied the video_ts folder to my hard drive, told toast to convert to the video_ts to dv format but after 5 hours, the status bar had not even moved but this is something I'll put on the toast forum. I should have just purchased an ads video capture hub which I may do in the end and save myself compatibilty headaches if ads doesn't support issues on the new intel mac. haha. However as time consuming as it is I'll keep experimenting.