Color Panel Duration (Different Problem)

[Jim B]

At the end of my production I've inserted a disolve transition followed by a color panel with some text on it followed by a X close. the dissolve duration is set for 4 seconds and the X close duration is 1 second by default (it doesn't seem to be adjustable). After much banging my head aganst the wall I discovered that if I want the color paneI show for 12 seconds, I have to include the 5 seconds in the in the transition and close durations and set the duration for the color panel to 16 seconds. I hope this prevents others from getting the same headach I got.

[Jim B]

I'm trying to get this straight in my head. I'm doing a little study but havent come to any conclusions. I have a production with two 6 second clips in it. By watching the position meter and placing the needle at the end of the first clip it tells me that the clip is 6.03 seconds long. When I play it and time it with a stop watch I get 6.7 seconds. I've timed it about 10 times and get the same results. The second clip is 6 seconds long on the meter and that is what my stop watch says it is. When I play the two clips together I read 12.75 seconds on the watch. I notice a short hesitation between the two clips.

Any reasons for this discrepancy?

Jim

[bimicher]

I don't know what your timing is supposed to prove. I doubt very much you can time the playing time to better then .5 second if even that close.

Also the seconds time shown for any clip is not in decimal seconds. For example the .5 in 6,5 seconds does not mean .5 seconds but is actually 5 frames. So if you have a frame rate of 29fps and the counter is at 5.29, then by single stepping by one would move the counter not to 5.30 but to 6.00

[Jim B]

What your telling me is that the whole number is seconds and the decimal number is the number of frames past the whole numbert and the number of frames has to be divided by 29 to get the seconds.Seems odd...

[bimicher]

What your telling me is that the whole number is seconds and the decimal number is the number of frames past the whole numbert and the number of frames has to be divided by 29 to get the seconds.Seems odd...

 

It may seem odd but that is the standard used in the video industry.

 

Do a google search on "hh:mm:ss:ff" to get more information on this system

[bimicher]

What is "a X close"?

 

I don't quite follow what you are trying to do. Could you list the sequence of items you are using and the duration of each?

 

for example: video(x seconds or minutes) - dissolve (4 seconds) - colored panel (10 seconds) - X close (? seconds)

[Jim B]

Thanks for that info. I never noticed the the last 2 digits on that counter!

My first clip shows on the counter 00:00:06:03. That's 6 seconds + 3 frames Correct?

[bimicher]

Correct

[Jim B]

I think what I need to do is find out how to make a clip 6 seconds long. The problem I'm having is: I have a 15 min long video. I split it at the point where I wanted it to start (50 sec) and cut/deleted the part ahead of that point. Now the counter says it's start point is at 00:00:00:00:00 but, when I select it and open the trim tool, that tells me that the start point is at 50 sec.I changed the start point with the trim tool to 0. I return to the video and the counter says the start point is 00:00:00:00. When I play the video, the part I thought I cut out is still there. How do I permanently get rid of that part or any other part of a clip?

 

Hope I'm not being a pest. Jim

[bimicher]

No problem.

 

Since I can't look over your shoulder to see what you are, could you perhaps list step-by-step what you are doing. Make sure you post the exact names of the buttons/icons you are clicking.

[Jim B]

full video loaded

position slider on time line at 50 second point.

select the video.

hit split.

select the portion before the split.

hit delete.

counter shows start point at 00:00:00:00

select remaining portion of video.

right click and select trim.

counter there shows start point at 00:00:50:00.

move start point slider in trim screen to 00:00:00:00

hit set start.

hit OK.

Trim screen closes (video back on screen)

video counter shows 00:00:00:00 as start point

Play the video and see that the portion I deleted is back.

 

When I delete a portion of a video, I thought it would no longer exist.

 

Jim

[bimicher]

I hardly ever use the trim since I mostly use the split & delete method. The only time i use it when I want to remove a 15 or less frames from the biginning or end of a segment.

 

After playing around a bit it seems that trim works on the whole video not on the video as it is shown in the timeline. The 00:00:50:00 that is shown in the Trim window is with reference to the whole video. So when you reset the start to 00:00:00:00 in Trim, everything is reset to the beginning, ie. you effectively remove the previous split and delete.

[Jim B]

video 9 minutes - disolve 4 seconds - color panel - 12 seconds - close - 1 second. My point is: if you increase the duration of a transition, that increase will be subtraced from the time the color panel is shown.

[grandpabruce]

video 9 minutes - disolve 4 seconds - color panel - 12 seconds - close - 1 second. My point is: if you increase the duration of a transition, that increase will be subtraced from the time the color panel is shown.

 

You are correct. That is the way it has been since the early versions of the Roxio software. Actually, if you had another color panel, after the transition, it would "subtract" the time it is open too.

 

To counteract that, increase the length of time that the color panel is open. Your "problem" will be solved.

[Jim B]

The next thing I stumbled on was: the duration of the transitions is adjusted with a slider. Just slide to the new length and let go. you have to adjust the color panel duration by typing the lentgh in the box and, then, you have to hit enter. DUH...

[bimicher]

The next thing I stumbled on was: the duration of the transitions is adjusted with a slider. Just slide to the new length and let go. you have to adjust the color panel duration by typing the lentgh in the box and, then, you have to hit enter. DUH...

 

There is no DUH... You can adjust the panel duration by dragging the right end of the panel. Of course the panel has to be selected

[bimicher]

video 9 minutes - disolve 4 seconds - color panel - 12 seconds - close - 1 second. My point is: if you increase the duration of a transition, that increase will be subtraced from the time the color panel is shown.

 

Actually that is not quite true. If you have a 4 second dissolve transition, the 1st four seconds of the panel after the transition is overlaid over the last 4 seconds of the previous panel. This of course results in a shortening of 4 seconds for the whole project.

[Jim B]

I see that. How would I permanently delete that portion (so that I no longer exists)?

[bimicher]

What do you mean by "no longer exists"?

If you use split&delete and then export to a new video file, the deleted segment will be gone from the new video file. The original video file does not get modified - which you do not want to do.

[Jim B]

Thanks Walt. that tells me what I needed to know about permanently deleting parts of a production.