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Project Not Refreshing List Of Files In Folder

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I have Roxio Easy CD & DVD Burning Version 14. On previous versions, when I opened a saved Project with a list of folders to be copied to DVD, the application would refresh the list of files in the desired folders and copy those files to the DVD. Version 14 doesn't seem to refresh its list of files. If files have been added or deleted from the folders listed in the Project, they either cause an error message because they are no longer present, or they are skipped in copy operation because they weren't present when the project was created. Should Version 14 be refreshing the list of files in selected folders each time I open project?

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The product I bought is "Roxio Easy CD & DVD Burning". It didn't appear to be a suite, just one product. The function I'm trying to utilize is copying files to a DVD. As with previous ROXIO product I've used, this one allows me to select either files or directories to burn to a DVD. I select directories and click the green arrow icon to burn directories and their files to the DVD. I then save the selection of directories as a Project. Works great when I run it the first time. Over the course of time the files in the folders change, some get deleted, some get added. The old version would refresh the list of current files in the folders to be backed up each time the project was opened. The version I have doesn't seem to do that. As it currently is configured, when I open the project, it tries to burn the same files today that it had in its list yesterday. Files that have been deleted from the directory cause "missing file" error messages, and files newly created aren't included in the files burned to the DVD. I'm trying to determine is there is some setting improperly set which prevents the program from refreshing the list of files in the selected directories. Thanks for any help you might provide.

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Going back to older versions of the product, such as ECDC 5 and such, I know that projects such as you describe were indeed actually file based. Even though you selected a folder the project itself saved the names of the files within the folders, and when you re-loaded and re-ran the project, it looked only at/for those files, and didn't update. I was unaware of any version that did differently and automatically updated folder contents. So the "problem" your describing sounds like I remember it working in the past.

 

Can you give me a specific version that you think updated the folder contents? Maybe I can try it out to verify what you're saying.

 

As for being a Suite, yes, it is. If you look, you have options for making music CD's, DVD's, various different projects. So, the question about what part you're using would best be answered by giving us a click-by-click description of how you get to the point of starting and creating your project.

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I think some of the later full versions of Creator which had 'Folder Watching' may possibly have done what you are wanting, but Easy CD & DVD Creator versions 10 and 14 don't have it.

 

If you look at your main menu you will see that some menu items have a little curved arrow near their name

 

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This is a Roxio convention, and indicates that those items are separate programs in the suite. So is 'Roxio Burn' which has a large disc icon down near the bottom right corner of your screen. All the rest of the menu items are just modules of the main 'Home' application.

 

 

Regards,

Brendon

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OrionLLC: Still not a lot to go on from what you provide...

 

"Copy Disc" does not seem to save or open any projects so I doubt that is what you are describing :(

 

I just looked at the Burn Data Disc portion of the Suite and it does seem to know what is going on... FYI all Roxio burning is initiated by a Green Arrow for many years now ;)

 

But when I load an older Saved Project in Burn Data Disc:

 

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It is initially gray as it examines the rather lengthy list is has of this Project:

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Then reports what is missing!

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Not sure how it would handle files added to an existing folder but I really doubt they would be included within the Project I doubt any burning program will do that as a Project is specifically what you ADDED to the Project and Saved.

 

If you can describe what your intentions are more clearly, we might know a way to get there ^_^

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Brendon, Jim, thanks for trying to help me with this. The process I follow is as Jim describes. I start with "Burn Data Disk", then select folders I want to save. App creates a list of files within those folders and (with click of green arrow) saves to DVD. I then save my folder selections as a project. This is a new server running Windows 7. It did not come with Roxio software pre-installed, so I bought and installed. Previous server ran Windows XP and came with some version of Roxio software already installed. The old server is still around, and I could fire it up to find out what version of Roxio it is running. What the previous version of Roxio did is store the selected folder list and not, apparently, the file list. Each time I opened Roxio and the project to perform a backup to DVD, it would create a new list of files in the selected folders. It didn't seem to care what files were backed up previously or what files had been added to folders. It made a list of files currently present and backed them up.

 

The only time the old version of Roxio would mimic what I'm seeing now is if after doing a backup one day I left the application and the project open, then tried to click the green arrow to do a backup the next day, it would give me error messages saying certain files were no longer present. If I closed the application/project and restarted, it would recreate its file list and back things up just fine.

 

I'm trying to make the backup/copy process as simple and automated as possible for the non-technical employees who perform the daily backups. I want them to be able to open a saved project and have it backup/copy to DVD all the files currently in the selected folders, and not give warning or error messages about files that have been deleted since yesterday.

 

Thanks.

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Brendon may have some old copy in his Museum of Software ;)

 

I do not see anyway to turn off warnings in Burn Data Disc.

 

I am wondering if BackOnTrack might work better for this but Brendon has worked with that one more than I have -_-

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OrionLLC, I've been following what you used to do and wondering if you were in fact using some of Roxio's backup software.

 

I would appreciate it if you would take the time to fire up that old server and find out what version [name and number] of Roxio software it was running, and if possible what menu item or menu path you used to run the particular backup program.

 

Once you can get that for me I might be able to duplicate what was happening, and perhaps make it happen for you once more.

 

Regards,

Brendon

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Brought the old server home so I could test software. SW is "Roxio Creator Basic v9". When starting one of the windows that appears says "Easy Media Creator", but "Help'/About" says it is "Roxio Creator Basic V9". Side panel includes "Data" option, and I pick "Data Disk" under that option. I drag the folders I want included in my copy/backup process, and save as a project. When I open project on a subsequent day, it does tell me what files are missing from the selected directories as information, and lets me proceed. During testing, I noted that some new files or folders that have been created since the project was created are included, some are not. Unsure as to what it appears to be hitting about 50% of the new files. I'm no programmer, but it doesn't seem like it should be that hard to have the routine (that initially inventories the selected folders for files to include) run each time the project is opened, creating a new/current list of files to backup/copy. I would think anyone wanting to use this software for routine/regular backups of dynamic folders would want this functionality. Is there any way to get this functionality with "Roxio Easy CD & DVD Burning"?

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When you click on Tools, Verify what happens?

 

It appears to be working as intended. I do not have access to the program code but do understand how it works (or at least think I do :D )

 

It does not have an option to automatically include all files within a Folder. Instead it initially adds all files within a Folder but retains a file specific list of those files when you save. Keep in mind you can add a Folder then go into that folder within the Project and remove nearly all the files from the Project.

 

At this point if you saved and reloaded you would be furious that it added the files you did not want included back in on its' own!!!

 

It is a 'Program' and far more logical that it would do just what you told it rather than try to anticipate what you want it to do -_-

 

On the other hand, true 'Backup Programs' offer only 2 or 3 choices...

 

ALL

Incremental

Selected

 

Incremental is interesting in that it is based on either ALL or Selected and will only add what has been changed since the original. This sounds good but does not always work well...

 

Manual or ALL type backups do work pretty well but I have never had good luck with backups since Tape Drives went away :lol:

 

Keep in mind most of my experience is from corporate use rather than home user. Our department kept 50,000+ files on the servers adding 500+ per week (pruning monthly) When You get into numbers like that you find the flaws in "backup" systems the first time you need to restore something :wacko:

 

The system that worked best was when one person maintained and supervised the backups! Sometimes this meant stopping by on the weekend but it worked. Our 'backups system' became less reliable when it was moved to Corporate and set on auto...

 

I Suggest, that you run Back On Track (FULL) in parallel with your current methods for a month or so then try recovering some files to make sure it is doing what you want! Actually a better system would be Acronsis but try the freebee first.

 

Brendon will probably have some sage advice as well ;)

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OrionLLC,

 

Sorry to be so long getting back, but I haven't had much computer time this weekend.

 

Your Roxio Creator Basic V9 is a sub-set of Easy Media Creator 9 [EMC 9]. The Burn Data Disc module of this software was "inclusive" in its sources. You could drag files and/or folders into the project window and those files and folders would appear in the saved .roxio project file.

The burn module and the saved project file didn't list the individual contents of folders, but would just burn whatever was in the dragged folders. Because of this, EMC 9 would not balk at changes within the folders such as addition or removal of files.

 

This was the behavior you wanted and were used to.

 

 

Easy CD and DVD Burning V14 has a totally different system. I think it's a result of the trend to ditch the old tried-and-trusted Roxio coding following Roxio's acquisition by Sonic, and substitution of Sonic modules. The software now differentiates between individual files, and folders added to the project. It lists each individual file, each folder, and every file which is in the folder or folder tree.

The saved project file now has a .rox extension, and is a much larger xml file containing a list of everything it was looking at when the project was saved. The module will complain about every difference it finds between a saved project and the current contents of the hard drive.

 

I can't see any way you can make Burn Data Disc in V14 work the same way as it did in EMC 9. :( You may have to build the project each time you back up with Burn Data Disc.

 

 

 

 

Version 14 does have a backup program called Roxio BackOnTrack [boT] reached through the Data/Copy > Backup and Restore button.

However you will really have to 'Dance the Light Fantastic' to get it to do what you want. It is a victim of the Sonic Simplification philosophy and most of your vital choices are taken away from you.

A My Data backup only allows you to back up limited categories of user files, and the option is Entire Computer. There's a Disk or Partition backup available to advanced users, but the software won't let you choose less than a whole partition to back up, and it won't do a disaster recovery of your system.

 

You may find BoT less than useful for your purposes.

 

Best regards,

Brendon

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